papazoid Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 There's a good reason Kiper and McShay don't have jobs for actual teams mostly because Kiper makes a fortune doing what he does.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 The Koolaid overfloweth in this thread. It's a 5th rounder - why would you ever be mad about it? They got a guy that they think fits their scheme that they know pretty well... That's all your looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boludo Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 lol at some people in this thread EVERYONE taken in the 5th round is a PROJECT (unless you are drafting a kicker) the 5th round is not where you find guys to come in and start right away btw they really needed another body at safety so why don't the haters list off all SS prospects that were available and so clearly better than meeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 27, 2013 Author Share Posted April 27, 2013 Bingo. bango, bongo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 It's a 5th rounder - why would you ever be mad about it? They got a guy that they think fits their scheme that they know pretty well... That's all your looking for. That logic also applies to drafting a punter here. I'm starting to hope they take another safety in the 6th, just to see how people will defend it. Maybe safeties from here on out in fact, because hey, they fit the scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 27, 2013 Author Share Posted April 27, 2013 lol at some people in this thread EVERYONE taken in the 5th round is a PROJECT (unless you are drafting a kicker) the 5th round is not where you find guys to come in and start right away btw they really needed another body at safety so why don't the haters list off all SS prospects that were available and so clearly better than meeks ding! Ding! Ding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 mostly because Kiper makes a fortune doing what he does.... Mel Kiper Jr. is a football analyst from the US who works on the ESPN network. His current net worth is estimated to be $7 Million. According to his own statements, Ernie Accorsi, who was once the General Manger of Baltimore Colts, used to encourage him to make these analyses of the drafts. He was also inspired by Ernie to take it up as a business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Another kid from rock hill sc. Ko simpson, gillmore and clowney next yrs first pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 That logic also applies to drafting a punter here. I'm starting to hope they take another safety in the 6th, just to see how people will defend it. Maybe safeties from here on out in fact, because hey, they fit the scheme. That's right. The position was totally locked up with A guy that hasn't signed his tag A guy that was a midround pick and has never been a starter A guy that flopped at corner Taking two high upside guys is rather ridiculous. Especially given we will often have 3 on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 There's a good reason Kiper and McShay don't have jobs for actual teams . Because the over analyze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) Sounds like a resilient, level headed kid: http://www.greenvill...uring-NFL-draft http://www.clemsontigers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=28500&ATCLID=205717948 Edited April 27, 2013 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 and look at the results, I'm sick and tired of losing and this just continues the trend, until we get a GM with a clue we are screwed. Should have traded that 5th for Skelton, or drafted Bray, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Right - if Byrd leaves its nice to have guys but we aren't picking guys to replace Byrd by any means. The guys on the network said talks with Byrd have gotten nowhere and these two safety picks should add stability to the position....FWIW. jb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syhuang Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Mel Kiper and Todd McShay both had him rated as a "free agent" grade...... Jimmy Clausen agrees with you that their grading is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 The guys on the network said talks with Byrd have gotten nowhere and these two safety picks should add stability to the position....FWIW. jb I think that's similar to my take. We didnt say lets get these guys and ship Byrd out now. The Byrd situation is going to play out how it will. And it likely would regardless of these picks... If he's gone, its nice to have them but its not like we just said "oh we got Williams, byrds expendable now" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 27, 2013 Author Share Posted April 27, 2013 I think that's similar to my take. We didnt say lets get these guys and ship Byrd out now. The Byrd situation is going to play out how it will. And it likely would regardless of these picks... If he's gone, its nice to have them but its not like we just said "oh we got Williams, byrds expendable now" your so right there Saint. Gotta throw in the possibility that the Bills might not have any idea how Byrds contract talks will play out and the fact they only had 2 Safeties as it was. This just gives them a tiny bit of breathing room if Byrd refuses to sign. Not that you'd be comfortable with these 2 guys starting or anything, but man, could you imagine if you had Searcy and A. Williams starting at the Safety spots and then one of them went down? Who else you gonna move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) I think that's similar to my take. We didnt say lets get these guys and ship Byrd out now. The Byrd situation is going to play out how it will. And it likely would regardless of these picks... If he's gone, its nice to have them but its not like we just said "oh we got Williams, byrds expendable now" I agree with your take. I think maybe its kind of like an insurance policy...if ya will. I do hope somehow we are able to lock up Byrd. The kid is a good player. Edited April 27, 2013 by jaybee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChanOverChin Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Before you all freak out please realize that Pettine likes to use THREE safeties on the field quite a bit. He's now got Byrd/A. Williams/Searcy/D. Williams/Meeks/even B. Scott to play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 That's right. The position was totally locked up with A guy that hasn't signed his tag A guy that was a midround pick and has never been a starter A guy that flopped at corner Taking two high upside guys is rather ridiculous. Especially given we will often have 3 on the field. This +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 your so right there Saint. Gotta throw in the possibility that the Bills might not have any idea how Byrds contract talks will play out and the fact they only had 2 Safeties as it was. This just gives them a tiny bit of breathing room if Byrd refuses to sign. Not that you'd be comfortable with these 2 guys starting or anything, but man, could you imagine if you had Searcy and A. Williams starting at the Safety spots and then one of them went down? Who else you gonna move? Jack of all trades Brad Smith, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 I believe they are targeting players they think can change the culture here, especially on D with physical, nasty,hard hitting defenders...possibly placing higher value on players they believe can help bring a change of attitude than other players that might be better players... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsWatch Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 This pick is so terrible they didn't even talk about it on NFLN, which is probably better. They did not talk about it because the teleprompter was wrong at least twice which uses same mechanism as NFL website. if you are watching the draft you can see the errors and their corresponding screwups. There's a good reason Kiper and McShay don't have jobs for actual teams Just one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 There seems to be a bit of confusion regarding Byrd. Byrd is franchise tagged for $6.7M. He will be playing for us this year. He has until July 15th to sign his tag. Most likely we will negotiate with him in June after FA and rookie signings. There is a high probability he will holdout, which is the correct move - why would he risk a freak injury in OTAs? Whatever happens, he has to eventually sign and suit up for us for the 2013 season, or he forfeits his entire paycheck and gets nothing. So let me repeat, he will be suited up for us this year, long-term contract or not. Yes I know Pettine has formations that use 3 safeties. Yes I know that we needed one in this draft. No, drafting an UDFA as a 2nd project safety in the 5th round is not a good pick. Please resume cheerleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 On the face of it, a poor pick. But he is from the Deep South so maybe Whaley's been running the draft and this is "throwing a bone" to Buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 There seems to be a bit of confusion regarding Byrd. Byrd is franchise tagged for $6.7M. He will be playing for us this year. He has until July 15th to sign his tag. Most likely we will negotiate with him in June after FA and rookie signings. There is a high probability he will holdout, which is the correct move - why would he risk a freak injury in OTAs? Whatever happens, he has to eventually sign and suit up for us for the 2013 season, or he forfeits his entire paycheck and gets nothing. So let me repeat, he will be suited up for us this year, long-term contract or not. Yes I know Pettine has formations that use 3 safeties. Yes I know that we needed one in this draft. No, drafting an UDFA as a 2nd project safety in the 5th round is not a good pick. Please resume cheerleading. I will as long as you continue whining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 There seems to be a bit of confusion regarding Byrd. Byrd is franchise tagged for $6.7M. He will be playing for us this year. He has until July 15th to sign his tag. Most likely we will negotiate with him in June after FA and rookie signings. There is a high probability he will holdout, which is the correct move - why would he risk a freak injury in OTAs? Whatever happens, he has to eventually sign and suit up for us for the 2013 season, or he forfeits his entire paycheck and gets nothing. So let me repeat, he will be suited up for us this year, long-term contract or not. Yes I know Pettine has formations that use 3 safeties. Yes I know that we needed one in this draft. No, drafting an UDFA as a 2nd project safety in the 5th round is not a good pick. Please resume cheerleading. Patriots do this a few times almost every draft, and usually before the 5th round...a player with a unique skill set that fits your plan is better than a better player that doesn't or plays a different role... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 I will as long as you continue whining. Don't confuse whining with informing and/or mocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 There seems to be a bit of confusion regarding Byrd. Byrd is franchise tagged for $6.7M. He will be playing for us this year. He has until July 15th to sign his tag. Most likely we will negotiate with him in June after FA and rookie signings. There is a high probability he will holdout, which is the correct move - why would he risk a freak injury in OTAs? Whatever happens, he has to eventually sign and suit up for us for the 2013 season, or he forfeits his entire paycheck and gets nothing. So let me repeat, he will be suited up for us this year, long-term contract or not. Yes I know Pettine has formations that use 3 safeties. Yes I know that we needed one in this draft. No, drafting an UDFA as a 2nd project safety in the 5th round is not a good pick. Please resume cheerleading. So, in other words, you know the skill level and pro potential of a 5th round safety Meeks in Mike Pettine's defense more than Mike Pettine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 I will as long as you continue whining. Or he could be put on ignore and we wouldn't have to see it secondhand either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsWatch Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Or he could be put on ignore and we wouldn't have to see it secondhand either... Afraid not as long as people quote them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syhuang Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 If we were gonna really reach and "waste" pick, should have been Hopkins K FSU.. NEED to upgrade lindell good call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCOHEN13 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 If we were gonna really reach and "waste" pick, should have been Hopkins K FSU.. NEED to upgrade lindell I got that one right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 and look at the results, I'm sick and tired of losing and this just continues the trend, until we get a GM with a clue we are screwed. Sorry man but your player evaluations leave a lot to be desired so forgive me or anyone else that disagrees with you. Your love for Tannehill and John Skeleton are legendary around here and both of them are trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCOHEN13 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 good call THX! kid is AWESOME! and sure he's glad to be with EJ! Seminoles nation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boludo Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 now that we see they were targeting the kicker in the 6th round it makes even more sense to go ahead and grab meeks where they did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Swope was there...understandably we have multiple WR's, but might as well add one more. Swope was nt there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 27, 2013 Author Share Posted April 27, 2013 now that we see they were targeting the kicker in the 6th round it makes even more sense to go ahead and grab meeks where they did this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Let's not forget the Bills DC is one of the architects of a defense that consistently gives Pats the fits. And that defense is not based on getting to the QB but by beating the crap out of the receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) Swope was nt there. Swope was picked by the Falcons at 174 in the 6th Round...Meeks at 143 of the 5th Round...did I miss a double secret swap back or is today opposite day?? Edited April 27, 2013 by BringBackFergy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainiac21 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Before you all freak out please realize that Pettine likes to use THREE safeties on the field quite a bit. He's now got Byrd/A. Williams/Searcy/D. Williams/Meeks/even B. Scott to play with. We had 3 safeties that they should feel pretty good about.. yes we needed another, but they took him in 4th. Taking a 5th Safety doesn't seem smart because its very unlikely 5 make the team anyway. And are you cutting one of the other guys? Doubt it. They currently have Brooks as the #3 CB, one injury away from starting... he didn't even start in college. That is frighteningly thin depth, whereas they are overloaded with bodies at safety. I think they should have balanced it better, as even a lower rated CB would have a better chance of making the team and contributing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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