eball Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Positives: Roster: -- Game-breaking RB (Spiller) -- 1000-yd WR three times running (Stevie) -- Above-average OL with depth (need to re-sign Levitre) -- Above-average DL with depth -- Young, talented secondary (contingent upon re-signing Byrd) -- 8th overall pick in 2013 Draft Front Office: -- Removal of meddlesome owner from day-to-day operations -- Progressive, forward-thinking 43-year-old President/CEO -- Organization adding analytics department to assist in player evaluation -- 40-year-old GM-in-waiting who is highly respected -- GM recognized as a top scout/talent evaluator Miscellaneous: -- Home game atmosphere one of best in league -- Chance to restore proud franchise to greatness (i.e., can be a hero) Negatives: Roster: -- No "franchise" QB -- Questionable WR depth -- Weak LB corps Front Office: -- 73-year-old GM still running the show (for how long?) -- Do you trust Brandon not to meddle in football decisions? Miscellaneous: -- Relic of a stadium (what improvements are being made?) -- Impatient fan base --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I dunno, it doesn't look like a bad gig to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I'd take that job......not that they'd want me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 (edited) What job is perfect? You forgot to mention "lease ensures team stays put for at least 7 years." We are certainly more attractive than 3 years ago. PTR Edited January 2, 2013 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optometric Insight Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 (edited) The fact that if he can get a winning season/playoffs the first/second season will make him the second coming of Christ in Buffalo and that Russ has the salesman way of focusing on the good things and making the bad things not so bad alone would make me consider taking the job. When you factor in everything else, I see it as one of the more attractive places to get a new HC job this season Positives: Roster: -- Game-breaking RB (Spiller) -- 1000-yd WR three times running (Stevie) -- Above-average OL with depth (need to re-sign Levitre) -- Above-average DL with depth -- Young, talented secondary (contingent upon re-signing Byrd) -- 8th overall pick in 2013 Draft Front Office: -- Removal of meddlesome owner from day-to-day operations -- Progressive, forward-thinking 43-year-old President/CEO -- Organization adding analytics department to assist in player evaluation -- 40-year-old GM-in-waiting who is highly respected -- GM recognized as a top scout/talent evaluator Miscellaneous: -- Home game atmosphere one of best in league -- Chance to restore proud franchise to greatness (i.e., can be a hero) Negatives: Roster: -- No "franchise" QB -- Questionable WR depth -- Weak LB corps Front Office: -- 73-year-old GM still running the show (for how long?) -- Do you trust Brandon not to meddle in football decisions? Miscellaneous: -- Relic of a stadium (what improvements are being made?) -- Impatient fan base -- Buffalo weather --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I dunno, it doesn't look like a bad gig to me... I would have considered the newly added bolded, underlined, and italicized under negative miscellaneous also. Edited January 2, 2013 by Teen Insight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cugalabanza Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Another positive: Short season. You know you'll only have to work 16 games. None of that pesky overtime that some guys have to put in during January & February. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 If I'm a HC candidate what do I see? I see a brown bear looking at me! Anyone with kids can appreciate that. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Biggest negative is unstable ownership. Most of the time, new ownership = new head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 Biggest negative is unstable ownership. Most of the time, new ownership = new head coach. I have a feeling Brandon is privy to some things he can share in confidence with any HC candidate who has those concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 leaving out the ownership situation kind of submarines the whole post, honestly. 94 year old owner without public succession plan is a major issue that needs to be addressed with anyone coming on. i think there are some behind closed doors answers that could be shared in the right situation, but to totally ignore that issue in a pro/con of the job isnt honest. I have a feeling Brandon is privy to some things he can share in confidence with any HC candidate who has those concerns. i had a sneaking suspicion that they might have doled some of that information with mario. giving 100m and a long term commitment, he likely wanted some sort of assurance that he wouldnt be moving cities and auditioning for new ownership in 6 months (i know that sounds morbid, but its a reality). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Positives: Roster: -- Game-breaking RB (Spiller) -- 1000-yd WR three times running (Stevie) -- Above-average OL with depth (need to re-sign Levitre) -- Above-average DL with depth -- Young, talented secondary (contingent upon re-signing Byrd) -- 8th overall pick in 2013 Draft Front Office: -- Removal of meddlesome owner from day-to-day operations -- Progressive, forward-thinking 43-year-old President/CEO -- Organization adding analytics department to assist in player evaluation -- 40-year-old GM-in-waiting who is highly respected -- GM recognized as a top scout/talent evaluator Miscellaneous: -- Home game atmosphere one of best in league -- Chance to restore proud franchise to greatness (i.e., can be a hero) Negatives: Roster: -- No "franchise" QB -- Questionable WR depth -- Weak LB corps Front Office: -- 73-year-old GM still running the show (for how long?) -- Do you trust Brandon not to meddle in football decisions? Miscellaneous: -- Relic of a stadium (what improvements are being made?) -- Impatient fan base --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I dunno, it doesn't look like a bad gig to me... Positives: Roster: -- Game-breaking RB (Spiller) -- 1000-yd WR three times running (Stevie) -- Above-average OL with depth (need to re-sign Levitre) -- Above-average DL with depth -- Young, talented secondary (contingent upon re-signing Byrd) -- 8th overall pick in 2013 Draft Front Office: -- Removal of meddlesome owner from day-to-day operations -- Progressive, forward-thinking 43-year-old President/CEO -- Organization adding analytics department to assist in player evaluation -- 40-year-old GM-in-waiting who is highly respected -- GM recognized as a top scout/talent evaluator Miscellaneous: -- Home game atmosphere one of best in league -- Chance to restore proud franchise to greatness (i.e., can be a hero) Negatives: Roster: -- No "franchise" QB -- Questionable WR depth -- Weak LB corps Front Office: -- 73-year-old GM still running the show (for how long?) -- Do you trust Brandon not to meddle in football decisions? Miscellaneous: -- Relic of a stadium (what improvements are being made?) -- Impatient fan base --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I dunno, it doesn't look like a bad gig to me... What a difference 3 years makes. There are 2 dozen coaches reportedly inquiring about the Bills Job this year versus 3 years ago when there were tumbleweeds in the Bills inbox. Guess Buddy did add some depth and talent to the roster afterall. This job is now attractive and the interest by these coaches shows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Seriously, if I'm an HC candidate, I see an opportunity to forge a legend in one of only 32 available positions in the world. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 How about the division the Bills are in? That could be viewed as a negative or positive CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 (edited) Getting a great defensive coach and Chip Kelly would be huge. I don't care who has the title for head coach, but Kelly would have a ball with our OL and CJ. And a good defensive coach could do wonders for this team. Edited January 2, 2013 by Rockinon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 There are 2 dozen coaches reportedly inquiring about the Bills Job this year versus 3 years ago when there were tumbleweeds in the Bills inbox. You should not be able to make a statement like this without a link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Don't forget only 7 home games with one farmed out to a mausoleum in Toronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 A challenge to anybody who relishes that kind of problem. A team that doesn't know how to win. That IS a skil, and is know to winners. We haven't seen that since the glory days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Biggest negative is unstable ownership. Most of the time, new ownership = new head coach. New ownership= new GM, president, HC. If this new job title for Brandon doesn't involve actually creating, and building a winning franchise. Then I can envision everybody being gone with new ownership. It starts with a finding new 'winning" HC and QB, a very daunting task for even someone who already is a top NFL executive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 You should not be able to make a statement like this without a link. You should not be able to make a statement like this without a link. Your right sorry. I read it on the articles TBD posts. When I find the article I will post the link. LV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 If I'm a HC candidate what do I see? I see a brown bear looking at me! Anyone with kids can appreciate that. GO BILLS!!! Awesome. It's exactly what I thought when I read thread title. If I'm a sought after coach, I look for the team with a franchise QB. If I'm a retread, I latch on where ever I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Positives: Roster: -- Game-breaking RB (Spiller) -- 1000-yd WR three times running (Stevie) -- Above-average OL with depth (need to re-sign Levitre) -- Above-average DL with depth -- Young, talented secondary (contingent upon re-signing Byrd) -- 8th overall pick in 2013 Draft Front Office: -- Removal of meddlesome owner from day-to-day operations -- Progressive, forward-thinking 43-year-old President/CEO -- Organization adding analytics department to assist in player evaluation -- 40-year-old GM-in-waiting who is highly respected -- GM recognized as a top scout/talent evaluator Miscellaneous: -- Home game atmosphere one of best in league -- Chance to restore proud franchise to greatness (i.e., can be a hero) Negatives: Roster: -- No "franchise" QB -- Questionable WR depth -- Weak LB corps Front Office: -- 73-year-old GM still running the show (for how long?) -- Do you trust Brandon not to meddle in football decisions? Miscellaneous: -- Relic of a stadium (what improvements are being made?) -- Impatient fan base --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I dunno, it doesn't look like a bad gig to me... Thank you for a well thought post. The only thing I will do wrt your list is agree with the poster who cited the weather, and question 2 of the 3 negatives. The wr corps needs more than depth. After SJ, they are pedestrian at best. An injury to #13 would make them perhaps the worst in the NFL. The LB corps, although I haven't seen them all, probably IS the worst in the NFL. Coming into the season, Barnett was good. Now, no LB is. They are all terrible. A coach/GM would have to fill these 2 gaping holes, AND get us a qb. This would seem to be a daunting task. Long time fans like you and I know what to look for. If Goodell strolls up to the podium and announces that the Bills select Dee Milner at #8, all is lost for many more seasons. We need to fill the above holes, and most of all field a good quarterback to play this new brand of football. Jmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Positives: Roster: -- Game-breaking RB (Spiller) -- 1000-yd WR three times running (Stevie) -- Above-average OL with depth (need to re-sign Levitre) -- Above-average DL with depth -- Young, talented secondary (contingent upon re-signing Byrd) -- 8th overall pick in 2013 Draft Front Office: -- Removal of meddlesome owner from day-to-day operations -- Progressive, forward-thinking 43-year-old President/CEO -- Organization adding analytics department to assist in player evaluation -- 40-year-old GM-in-waiting who is highly respected -- GM recognized as a top scout/talent evaluator Miscellaneous: -- Home game atmosphere one of best in league -- Chance to restore proud franchise to greatness (i.e., can be a hero) Negatives: Roster: -- No "franchise" QB -- Questionable WR depth -- Weak LB corps Front Office: -- 73-year-old GM still running the show (for how long?) -- Do you trust Brandon not to meddle in football decisions? Miscellaneous: -- Relic of a stadium (what improvements are being made?) -- Impatient fan base --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I dunno, it doesn't look like a bad gig to me... You forgot, in the Positives column: A winning attitude, with key momentum, due to the win over the Jets and the Jags at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I agree mostly, but I think there's also two things to consider... the geographic area, WNY isn't for everyone... and Buffalo's recent history of poor decision making in the FO. How much of that is going to really change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I agree mostly, but I think there's also two things to consider... the geographic area, WNY isn't for everyone... and Buffalo's recent history of poor decision making in the FO. How much of that is going to really change? I think the Brandon move and Whaley as gm address' the FO question to some degree. Nothing you can do about where Buffalo is. A guy should not even interview if that is a 'concern' . And you are correct that some guys would not coach there i am sure. i think about Spurrier at SC. The icing on the cake for him was where the university was in relationship to Augusta National where he got a membership when he signed to coach the Cocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Another positive: Short season. You know you'll only have to work 16 games. None of that pesky overtime that some guys have to put in during January & February. excellent point. A no pressure gig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 pays pretty good and there is only like 5-6 openings in the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatszel Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 If I'm a HC candidate what do I see? I see a brown bear looking at me! Anyone with kids can appreciate that. GO BILLS!!! What can you hear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 If I am choosing between San Diego and Buffalo, I would think there may be another factor that might be relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 If I'm a HC candidate what do I see? I see a brown bear looking at me! Anyone with kids can appreciate that. GO BILLS!!! My first thought too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiLLsMaFiA1982 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 It's a tough sell, but there is upside, I hope we get the right coach with russ brandon running the show! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAWNDO Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 If I'm a HC candidate what do I see? I see a brown bear looking at me! Anyone with kids can appreciate that. GO BILLS!!! !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 You forgot special teams... We have historically good special teams, with solid players who contribute consistently on coverage units, and an up and coming Hands Carrington. A good kicker, a solid punter, and that is important. Veteran leadership across the board. The biggest take away from the players is that many of them are hold overs from a losing regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Another positive: Short season. You know you'll only have to work 16 games. None of that pesky overtime that some guys have to put in during January & February. This! You forgot special teams... We have historically good special teams, with solid players who contribute consistently on coverage units, and an up and coming Hands Carrington. A good kicker, a solid punter, and that is important. Veteran leadership across the board. The biggest take away from the players is that many of them are hold overs from a losing regime. Our special teams have been pedantic under DeHaven except for Carrington's 5 blocks. I really question the Veteran Leadership. Other than Eric Wood there is none who is vocal. The "team" leaders are Bart Scott and George Wilson who would not be starters on 31 other teams in this league and Merriman is done and not coming back. This team needs leadership at the QB position and LB position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 If I'm a HC candidate what do I see? I see a brown bear looking at me! Anyone with kids can appreciate that. GO BILLS!!! Ha. I got that one 1st go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRT88 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Positives: Roster: -- Game-breaking RB (Spiller) -- 1000-yd WR three times running (Stevie) -- Above-average OL with depth (need to re-sign Levitre) -- Above-average DL with depth -- Young, talented secondary (contingent upon re-signing Byrd) -- 8th overall pick in 2013 Draft Front Office: -- Removal of meddlesome owner from day-to-day operations -- Progressive, forward-thinking 43-year-old President/CEO -- Organization adding analytics department to assist in player evaluation -- 40-year-old GM-in-waiting who is highly respected -- GM recognized as a top scout/talent evaluator Miscellaneous: -- Home game atmosphere one of best in league -- Chance to restore proud franchise to greatness (i.e., can be a hero) Negatives: Roster: -- No "franchise" QB -- Questionable WR depth -- Weak LB corps Front Office: -- 73-year-old GM still running the show (for how long?) -- Do you trust Brandon not to meddle in football decisions? Miscellaneous: -- Relic of a stadium (what improvements are being made?) -- Impatient fan base --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I dunno, it doesn't look like a bad gig to me... I have got to agree with everything you said. As a potential candidate, I would ask about the future of Levitre and Byrd and what's the FO plan for those two. If the defense improves and the offense can stay explosive then you have a combination that can and will win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The "team" leaders are Bart Scott and George Wilson who would not be starters on 31 other teams in this league and Merriman is done and not coming back. I assume you mean Bryan Scott. I never considered him a team leader though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 If I am choosing between San Diego and Buffalo, I would think there may be another factor that might be relevant. 20 minute drive to Tijuana? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 This! Our special teams have been pedantic under DeHaven except for Carrington's 5 blocks. I really question the Veteran Leadership. Other than Eric Wood there is none who is vocal. The "team" leaders are Bart Scott and George Wilson who would not be starters on 31 other teams in this league and Merriman is done and not coming back. This team needs leadership at the QB position and LB position. Lol. Did you mean pur special teams have been pedestrian? Pedantic | Define Pedantic at Dictionary.com dictionary.reference.com/browse/pedantic overly concerned with minute details or formalisms, especially in teaching. Also, pe·dan·ti·cal. Origin: 1590–1600; pedant + -ic. Related forms. pe·dan·ti·cal·ly, ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 What job is perfect? You forgot to mention "lease ensures team stays put for at least 7 years." We are certainly more attractive than 3 years ago. PTR I'll believe the $400m lease break penalty keeps the team from moving to L.A. when i see it. Positives: Roster: -- Game-breaking RB (Spiller) -- 1000-yd WR three times running (Stevie) -- Above-average OL with depth (need to re-sign Levitre) -- Above-average DL with depth -- Young, talented secondary (contingent upon re-signing Byrd) -- 8th overall pick in 2013 Draft Front Office: -- Removal of meddlesome owner from day-to-day operations -- Progressive, forward-thinking 43-year-old President/CEO -- Organization adding analytics department to assist in player evaluation -- 40-year-old GM-in-waiting who is highly respected -- GM recognized as a top scout/talent evaluator Miscellaneous: -- Home game atmosphere one of best in league -- Chance to restore proud franchise to greatness (i.e., can be a hero) Negatives: Roster: -- No "franchise" QB -- Questionable WR depth -- Weak LB corps Front Office: -- 73-year-old GM still running the show (for how long?) -- Do you trust Brandon not to meddle in football decisions? Miscellaneous: -- Relic of a stadium (what improvements are being made?) -- Impatient fan base --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I dunno, it doesn't look like a bad gig to me... No one is taking this job and relocating their family, etc etc etc (and anyone who's done it knows how disruptive that is) when other comparable jobs are available. Why? Because as soon as ownership changes (which could be this year, for all we know), you get fired and replaced by the new regime (see Cleveland for the latest example of that -- I'll bet Pat Shurmer is glad he took THAT gig). If the Bills are the only HC job left on the board, fine, you take it if its offered, but not until the well of stable offers is dry. This is just human nature. Bills will watch the stable franchises pick off the best guys and we will get another GaileyWanny combo. Watch it happen. There is no other way it can go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 "I see Blue. He looks....glorious" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinWPB Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 If I am choosing between San Diego and Buffalo, I would think there may be another factor that might be relevant. \Being bilingual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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