The Dean Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 This just in: http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news...pickmaybin.html excerpt JOHN WAWROW The Associated Press PITTSFORD, N.Y. - Contract talks between the Buffalo Bills and first-round draft pick Aaron Maybin are stalled, and neither side is offering positive signs a deal is close. Neither the team nor Maybin's camp will offer specifics on how far apart they are, but the Bills are becoming concerned that the defensive end, selected 11th overall out of Penn State, will not report soon enough to be ready for the regular season in less than four weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Bills fan Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Well that sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemhoff Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Their rookie pay scale system is so messed up. They should go the NBA route...frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIE HARD 1967 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 I really want him to sign but the fans should be suspicious, I really believe the Bills are questioning his true value and that all started at mini camp. I mean what does a team do if they are unimpressed, and the guy wants more money then most veterans make in this league? I guess you pay and hope for the best or you trade him! Better think about that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Ugh...our franchise seems like a joke sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endless Ike Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 whiskey tango foxtrot he's !@#$ing us... Now, even if he sucks it'll be one more year before we know for sure, because everyone will write it off to "just missing camp." it completely retards his potential....probably because he's a retard god damn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 dammit! I want to hit something. Can I shoot the messemger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I find this whole thing to be really bizarre. Maybin was a borderline reach at 11 and should be EXCITED that he has the opportunity to get paid whatever the Bills are offering. I know, I know. It is business. But maybe while he and his greedy buddy Lavar continue this holdout, the light may suddenly comes on for Chris Ellis that makes Maybin expendable after all... Of course, I am overreacting. Th reality is that he will sign on the dotted line soon. I mean he has to, right? What possible advantage does he have to sitting out this year? If he re-enters the draft in 2010, he's probably not even a Day 1 pick. The Bills hold all the cards, and they know that. Hence, they can afford to be rigid, especially if Maybin is as raw as some reports suggest, meaning that he is unlikely to make a big impact this year anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 This just in: http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news...pickmaybin.html excerpt Just reading the first few lines you can grasp how much catching up Aaron is going to have to attempt to do, "As of Tuesday, Maybin has missed 21 practices, 15 walkthroughs, countless film study sessions and two preseason games since the Bills opened camp in suburban Rochester on July 25." That's alot of reps at full speed and alot of information in the film room to have missed out on. The longer he's out, the less likely he will be any sort of a factor this season. So what if he's just a "pass rushing specialist". He needs to have his tail in here working with the players and coaches trying to get himself ready for the MNF season opener. He still needs to learn the defensive plays and responsibilities. Almost half of his opportunity for progression and conditioning have been tossed away. I also don't buy, "He was crying because he couldn't be on the field" and "This Crabtree kid is messing everyone else up" . Bull crap. Search for the common ground of compromise and get your butt in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 19, 2009 Author Share Posted August 19, 2009 dammit! I want to hit something. Can I shoot the messemger? Warrow, right? I'm pretty shocked and disappointed by this. I still think something gets done very soon, but I am less optimistic than before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Warrow, right? I'm pretty shocked and disappointed by this. I still think something gets done very soon, but I am less optimistic than before. With the reports last week a deal was close, I was pretty excited. Now, I don't see this getting done until after the first game of the season to be honest. Just has that feeling. Honestly, he is just scr*wing himself and his future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodnarb Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 This is the Achilles heel of the NFL. But no matter what Maybin says, the responsibility to get this done is his. As if the Bills don't want him in camp. As if the Bills aren't offering a fair and appropriate deal. Yeah right. Maybin can say "business side of things" all he wants. He is showing his true colors by not firing his agent and getting a deal done. This is ridiculous, and a real embarrassment and distraction for the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wright's Mullet Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I am really disappointed in Aaron Maybin and his long holdout. This guy was a one year wonder at Penn St, his is an undersized NFL DE and has alot to learn at the OLB position. But his priorities are about the almighty $$$$ just like his "mentor" Lavar Arrington. His agent Charlie Fields is a former Penn St football player who majored in Human Development and Family studies according to Wikipedia. This is hardly the pedigree of an NFL agent. I do not blame the Bills for his hold out, he is clearly waiting for Crabtree to sign and then leverage his deal for as much money as possible. Meanwhile he has missed 4 weeks of training camp and will probably at best have a minor impact in the second half of the season. Screw you Maybin, Arrington and Fields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I really want him to sign but the fans should be suspicious, I really believe the Bills are questioning his true value and that all started at mini camp. I mean what does a team do if they are unimpressed, and the guy wants more money then most veterans make in this league? I guess you pay and hope for the best or you trade him! Better think about that! Should've thought about it before they drafted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThereIsNoDog Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Tell him he has a 24-hour deadline to sign the offer or else he'll have to sit-out the year and re-enter the draft next year. Enough is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Should've thought about it before they drafted him. We are closing in on a date very soon where Brandon will make him an offer either to sign or cash comes off the table. His Value to the team will start to fall. To some extent it already has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 This just in: http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news...pickmaybin.html excerpt I'm smelling a rat, a big rat. Either this guy is poisoned, or his agents are smoking crack. Even if this guy signs in August, it'll take years before he's considered a Bill in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drunkenirishmann Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I with everyone else here. Each day hos value becomes less and less to the Bills. Like it's been already mentioned he was somewhat a reach @ pick 11. For him to intentional delay signing because of Crabtree (knowing that Crab wants TOP dollar) is just pure greed. I imagine him and his agent think Crabtree is going to get some huge contract, so they can justify what he should get. If this goes on much longer I wouldn't even care if management makes an example of him and let him wait till next years draft. (Eventually some team is going to have to do this so rookies will stop holding teams hostage) Enough is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 This just in: http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news...pickmaybin.html excerpt I get the feeling Maybin is hiding an injury or other issue, why else is he jolding out for 100 more dollars??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 He will have one role this year....3rd and long, see QB, get QB. He will rely on speed and natural talent, rather than learning the defensive system. He will have no coverage responsibilities or other defensive tasks. I don't like the holdout any more than anyone else here, but I don't think it will change his role from what it would have been anyway. Best case scenario (and I'm not comparing the players, just the impact)...Cornelius Bennett in 1987. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Should've thought about it before they drafted him. No doubt. I didn't want anything to do with him on draft day, but what do I know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaroni Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 IMHO ...... A players "value" the day he is drafted should be able to be estimated by what the draft position paid last year plus or minus an inflation factor giving quite a bit of room for negotiations. As time passes his "value" can go up or down depending on the contracts being signed around him .... still giving room for negotiations. But there HAS to come a time when his "value" to the team starts to decrease purely from the fact of his contribution to the upcoming season will be diminished. I guess what I'm trying to say is ....... is this the time when OBD says to A.M. "OK here is our offer, it's good for one week, next week it will decrease by X amount every week until the season starts ..... when the season starts we have more important things to worry about than signing a rookie and we will offer a significantly reduced contract, if you'd rather not play for the Bills we understand, and you can sit and rot until 12:00 the night before next years draft and take you chances." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 No doubt. I didn't want anything to do with him on draft day, but what do I know? In all fairness it is one thing to like or dislike his level of talent but I don't remember you or anyone else saying he was a greedy malcontent. I hope if he ever plays for the Bills he does well, but if he fails he can always just blame it on Crabtree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwws9999 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 IMHO ...... A players "value" the day he is drafted should be able to be estimated by what the draft position paid last year plus or minus an inflation factor giving quite a bit of room for negotiations. As time passes his "value" can go up or down depending on the contracts being signed around him .... still giving room for negotiations. But there HAS to come a time when his "value" to the team starts to decrease purely from the fact of his contribution to the upcoming season will be diminished. I guess what I'm trying to say is ....... is this the time when OBD says to A.M. "OK here is our offer, it's good for one week, next week it will decrease by X amount every week until the season starts ..... when the season starts we have more important things to worry about than signing a rookie and we will offer a significantly reduced contract, if you'd rather not play for the Bills we understand, and you can sit and rot until 12:00 the night before next years draft and take you chances." the rookies payscale is slotted, and should be easy to calcualate an offer. The FO is probably trying to lowball the kid. next year they should just trade down from the top 10 pick they'll probably have (they are usually crappy picks by the bills anyways) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Don't make me go back and look these things up but 1. On draft day I said that Maybin was picked at least 9 spots ahead of where he should have gone and DEAN LAUGHED. 2. Dean has been saying that Maybin will be signed "any day now" FOR THREE WEEKS. Perhaps someone isn't as smart as he thinks he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaroni Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 the rookies payscale is slotted, and should be easy to calcualate an offer. The FO is probably trying to lowball the kid. next year they should just trade down from the top 10 pick they'll probably have (they are usually crappy picks by the bills anyways) And what makes you say the Bills are "low balling" the kid??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 In all fairness it is one thing to like or dislike his level of talent but I don't remember you or anyone else saying he was a greedy malcontent. I hope if he ever plays for the Bills he does well, but if he fails he can always just blame it on Crabtree. There was no way to know that we were drafting a holdout, but Orakpo would have been here, which is nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Weren't there rumors that he did not do anything in the OTA's to dispel the doubts that some had before the draft. At this point, this is hurting himself more than the Bills. By the time he gets in (if he ever signs), he will be so far behind, he will never be able to reach the potential that he had for this year. Does anyone know what the Bills are offering him? If it is around the midpoint of what Raji and Orapko got, the kid needs to get his but in camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 If Maybin is that desperate to get on the field, he should have the audacity to tell his agent to get something done. If it's anywhere near what the 12th pick received of course. Most irritating here is that 29 first rounders, save for true malcontents Andre Smith and Michael Crabtree, have signed their rookie deal. I won't read too much into what Posluszny said, but they do need him on the field. I'd love to blame the team, but they've been drafting in the 8th-12th spot for years now. They've worked out deals with Whitner, Lynch, and McKelvin. Why is Maybin any different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 IMHO ...... A players "value" the day he is drafted should be able to be estimated by what the draft position paid last year plus or minus an inflation factor giving quite a bit of room for negotiations. As time passes his "value" can go up or down depending on the contracts being signed around him .... still giving room for negotiations. But there HAS to come a time when his "value" to the team starts to decrease purely from the fact of his contribution to the upcoming season will be diminished. I guess what I'm trying to say is ....... is this the time when OBD says to A.M. "OK here is our offer, it's good for one week, next week it will decrease by X amount every week until the season starts ..... when the season starts we have more important things to worry about than signing a rookie and we will offer a significantly reduced contract, if you'd rather not play for the Bills we understand, and you can sit and rot until 12:00 the night before next years draft and take you chances." That is exactly what should be done and the process should have either already begun or it should begin VERY soon. The only thing I would add is that the Bills should break with tradition and announce their offer and the decreasing terms publicly. They should explain their position and allow their fans to understand. They should invite Maybin to state his position as well. This would squelch any complaints because any position Maybin might have would be clearly seen as ridiculous as he tried to tie himself to an injured but top flight talent. This strategy would put more pressure on Maybin as other teams would see him for what he is, and be less likely to draft him next year. He could get the number 11 money he deserves this year or sit for a year and get the number 42 money he would deserve by then. If the Bills are currently offering him #15 money, they would be rightly seen as the villian. Of course, they are not so this won't happen. Going public forces Maybin's hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AF88Bills Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 A.M needs to quit talking and get into work ASAP. Enough is enough. Say accepts an offer he feels is is a little low, and then out-performs that offer, then there's always an opportunity to improve the contract. It's ridiculous that they're hanging on to the Crabtree situation hoping he strikes gold. Meanwhile his value is dropping and Chris ellis is kicking @ss with all the extra reps he's getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 19, 2009 Author Share Posted August 19, 2009 Don't make me go back and look these things up but 1. On draft day I said that Maybin was picked at least 9 spots ahead of where he should have gone and DEAN LAUGHED. Because you were wrong. He would have gone soon after, had the Bills passed. 2. Dean has been saying that Maybin will be signed "any day now" FOR THREE WEEKS. And I was wrong. Perhaps someone isn't as smart as he thinks he is. Perhaps. I pass along what I hear, and expect. You think know the value of draft picks better than the FO of NFL teams. Good for you! Seems like you are the one pimping his intelligence here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOBILLS78 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 He must be really crying his eyes out now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 the rookies payscale is slotted, and should be easy to calcualate an offer. The FO is probably trying to lowball the kid. next year they should just trade down from the top 10 pick they'll probably have (they are usually crappy picks by the bills anyways) Please ignore the fact that Maybin's camp, not the Bills FO, is blaming the whole thing on Crabtree. Oh wait, you already did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 There was no way to know that we were drafting a holdout, but Orakpo would have been here, which is nice. No guarantee of that. Redskins were willing to do a deal with Orakpo (following a short holdout of his own) even though the pick ahead of him, Denver's Knowshon Moreno, didn't sign for another week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwws9999 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 And what makes you say the Bills are "low balling" the kid??? and what makes you say we're not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Turning out to be a wasted season for Maybin; maybe we'll see him contribute by week 8 this year if we're lucky. It kind of goes to show you that when you have an immediate need, it's best to fix it via free agency than the draft. These rookies either have slow learning curves, hold out, or get hurt. It's rare to draft a guy and plug him in to start Day 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Ugh...our franchise seems like a joke sometimes. Yes...we are the ONLY team in the NFL with holdouts. We are such a joke Should've thought about it before they drafted him. And we are joke for not having ESP like everyone else does. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Because you were wrong. He would have gone soon after, had the Bills passed. And I was wrong. Perhaps. I pass along what I hear, and expect. You think know the value of draft picks better than the FO of NFL teams. Good for you! Seems like you are the one pimping his intelligence here. Fair reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 and what makes you say we're not Lavar Arrington doesn't even blame the Bills but you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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