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I'm amazed by the overreaction to one very bad game by a rookie qb. It will happen again, as it does to all rookie qbs who have ever played the game. Both mannings had worse outings in their rookie seasons. It happens. I'm not saying this thread starter is among those reactionary posts...it's great and I appreciate the time it takes to produce that. Very well done. But some of the post game statements were so over the top....

Creating a consensus out of your imagination doesn't equate to reality. Brandon and Whaley made it clear who was in charge of the draft decisions this year, and I think I'll take their word over your odd phantom consensus.

He was. He was in charge at the time they were drafted, and is so respected by our current regime that they keep him as a consultant in his retirement.

Chase minifield? Antoine Winfield? Bring back Florence?

1. The Bills will make a trade for someone's backup QB before the draft, giving away a 5th or 6th. 2. The Bills will NOT take Nassib at 8 as is the assumption, but a different (any) QB. (I do like Nassib.) 3. The Bills trade down and still get the QB they want in the first round. (I think this has the best odds.) 4. The Bills do NOT draft a QB in round 1 (I think this would be too big a risk for being left without a chair.) 5. The Bills surprise everyone and draft EJ Manuel. 6. Now that Jake Long has joined the Rams, the over/under (in days) before a St. Louis beat reporter known for his negative slant on the Rams will write an article titled, "Two Longs Don't Make it Right," is set to 3. 7. The Bills come away from the draft with two new QBs. My guesses: 1. No bet - not likely. 2. No bet - not likely. 3. This is obviously what everyone wants, but there are enough blue chip linemen in demand to allow for it to happen. Easy bet. 4. No bet - too risky now that everyone alive and dead knows that the Bills have to draft a QB. 5. Something in my gut is rumbling about this guy, a bit off the radar, big arm, athletic. Small bet. 6. All in. Under. 7. I'll take that bet.

A jaguar that just ate a blue popsicle and is showing off his tongue? really, who designs these things...worse yet, who approves these things...

The white helmets are freaking great. Love them. But I do miss the red end zones. The field that Donahue built was crap. The field they replaced it with was better, but why they didn't reinstitute the endzone color associated with our best years..beyond me...

Zac dysert looks really good to me...good release, can run, leader. Nassib has some good highlights too but there's one habit I don't like to see, that bledsoesque shaking of the ball before release... It's a tip off and he holds the ball too low...but efficient and clearly a good kid. Favored by the team but in what round? I for one am dubious about the offensive hires....not enough experience and too many newbies. I fully agree with sully that the st hire was a chum role .... His record is indefensible.

Sooo good. Brilliant. Still laughing.

Zac Dysert, Miami of Ohio. I'd be happy if we drafted him even as high as the 2nd round. Good size, big arm, quick release, tough kid, had NO talent around him (check out the highlights of the Ohio State game and count how many drops his receivers had. I think it's about 20.) AND he had to learn multiple systems in his tenure. Smart, quality kid who can escape pressure a la Roethlisberger. I think he's a sleeper who will rise up the board the same way last year's sleeper QBs did.

I'm surprised they did it. I like Chan a lot. Solid guy and a really good OC. His downfall was convincing Nix to hire his buddy and switch back to a 43 after two drafts designed for the 34. I think our D plus Fitzpatrick's many limitations did Gailey in. I believe he would have been successful with a middle of the road D and a QB that can throw the ball accurately and deep. Continuity is critical in this league. New scheme on offense yet again....and another slow start is likely. But it sure did look ugly this year, and that's all that matters. BUT, I will say this: this is the worst year in many years to start over again. There are too many teams looking for a HC, so it's going to be that much harder to land THE GUY that everyone wants, whoever that might be. When was the last time the Bills hired a HC that other teams in the league were also after? We will likely continue down that same path, at least partly due to the reality of there being so many jobs in the league today. It might have been wiser to give Gailey and his staff one more year, with a new QB and a new D. There's not much of a transition between the Wanny 43 and any other 43, so it wouldn't be the same as switching it all up again like the switch to a different base scheme is. I think there have been just as many mistakes in the draft in the past few years as there have been on the field, so I wonder where this is all going... I would not be surprised to see Polian & Son back in charge; we just have to hope that whoever it is that hires the next HC understands that it has to be someone who understands that you have to be constantly innovating in this league to do much of anything. I believe the modern football approach to going for it on 4th instead of punting *whenever the numbers support it* is one small part of the "moneyball" approach to the game. I was in a Boston bar last night watching the Pats game with my Pats-loving cousin and Belichick went for it at least twice on 4th down from around mid field. Because the stats support doing so. The fans in this bar regarded these tactical decisions as a matter of course. Nobody even sneezed. Certainly nobody uttered "No! Punt! Punt!". And the Pats are on their way to another AFC title game. You can't coach conservatively anymore, and you can't make tactical decisions out of fear or concern over optics. Victory must be seized. I feel bad for Chan. Good guy who might have shown what he can really do with a real QB and a DC who understands that yes, blitzing does indeed work. /ramble-rant

I'm surprised they did it. I like Chan a lot. Solid guy and a really good OC. His downfall was convincing Nix to hire his buddy and switch back to a 43 after two drafts designed for the 34. I think our D plus Fitzpatrick's many limitations did Gailey in. I believe he would have been successful with a middle of the road D and a QB that can throw the ball accurately and deep. Continuity is critical in this league. New scheme on offense yet again....and another slow start is likely. But it sure did look ugly this year, and that's all that matters. BUT, I will say this: this is the worst year in many years to start over again. There are too many teams looking for a HC, so it's going to be that much harder to land THE GUY that everyone wants, whoever that might be. When was the last time the Bills hired a HC that other teams in the league were also after? We will likely continue down that same path, at least partly due to the reality of there being so many jobs in the league today. It might have been wiser to give Gailey and his staff one more year, with a new QB and a new D. There's not much of a transition between the Wanny 43 and any other 43, so it wouldn't be the same as switching it all up again like the switch to a different base scheme is. I think there have been just as many mistakes in the draft in the past few years as there have been on the field, so I wonder where this is all going... I would not be surprised to see Polian & Son back in charge; we just have to hope that whoever it is that hires the next HC understands that it has to be someone who understands that you have to be constantly innovating in this league to do much of anything. I believe the modern football approach to going for it on 4th instead of punting *whenever the numbers support it* is one small part of the "moneyball" approach to the game. I was in a Boston bar last night watching the Pats game with my Pats-loving cousin and Belichick went for it at least twice on 4th down from around mid field. Because the stats support doing so. The fans in this bar regarded these tactical decisions as a matter of course. Nobody even sneezed. Certainly nobody uttered "No! Punt! Punt!". And the Pats are on their way to another AFC title game. You can't coach conservatively anymore, and you can't make tactical decisions out of fear or concern over optics. Victory must be seized. I feel bad for Chan. Good guy who might have shown what he can really do with a real QB and a DC who understands that yes, blitzing does indeed work. /ramble-rant

I think the biggest mistake made in the Nix/Gailey era was to go from a 43 to a 34 and then back to 43. Those two years at 34 set us back considerably. Not only did they draft players for the 34, but they also asked players to switch schemes 3 times in 3 years. We forget that this scheme this year was new, hence the slow start on D. It set the team back considerably. There has been no continuity and as a result, many fans are calling for their heads...which would produce greater lack of continuity. I want to see Nix/Gailey for another season to see what they can do vs a brutal schedule next year. 3 years isn't enough time.

i agree / williams hasn't shown much playmaking ability for a 2nd rounder. Gets beat too often. gilmore has been really solid for a rook / he'll only get better wouldn't mind seeing us lock up mckelvin for another few because he's such a great returner and solid CB depth.

Dareus is not a problem. Players often drop off when they have personal stuff going on. Suh is under pressure in Detroit for having an off year - he's not dominating like he did before. Dareus is probably distracted and more deeply affected by his brother's tragedy than football fans realize...and the play of everyone around him in 3 horrid games has not helped. they have played 5 games, 3 of them blowouts. Stats are going to be skewed and the whole picture will not be in full view. i thought dareus was our best player vs the chiefs.

Adventures in Officiating: C.J. Spiller looked good on a 32-yard screen pass touchdown for Buffalo at Cleveland, and guard Kraig Urbik's block at the Browns' 15 sealed the deal. But Urbik was five yards downfield when the pass was thrown. The replacement zebras come from college and high school backgrounds. Under NFHS and NCAA rules, offensive linemen may be downfield prior to a pass that is caught behind the line of scrimmage, as the Spiller screen was. But in the NFL, it doesn't matter where the pass is caught -- linemen cannot go downfield until the catch. The replacement officials called the play correctly for high school or college, but wrong for the pros. Sportsmanship note: Leading 24-14, Buffalo reached first-and-goal on the Cleveland 1 at the two-minute warning. Bills coach Chan Gailey ordered his charges to kneel. The football gods should reward this. http://espn.go.com/espn/playbook/story/_/id/8421050/the-replacement-referees-losing-control-coaches-players-worse-blown-calls

It's that all the talk about Brad Smith as the #3 QB was a half-truth at best. Smith has never impressed me. What has he done to earn such a certain spot on the roster? He's a below average receiver, an average Wild Cat QB, above average at best, and a below average QB. If Fitz were to be injured right now, who would start? Thigpen. I know he's nothing to get excited about but he knows the offense and can get you through a few games. Brad Smith at QB? No, not going to help you. Jackson is going to need at least four weeks to truly get up to speed enough to actually start a game. Besides, how many reps have we seen Smith take at WR and QB? He didn't even get many reps at camp despite a lot of talk about it. I'm not sure what his value is on the roster and I suspect that he will be the "surprise cut" this year. It'll be Fitz, Jackson, Thigpen. I had hoped we'd draft a QB in this last draft and I know the Bills intended to but their guy(s) were taken before they had a chance, according to Nix after the draft, but I hope they learned a lesson there. If you like a guy at QB, you have to be willing to pay up to make sure you get him. The Bills need a good young strong-armed prospect to serve as a backup...

Beck, no. Not likely. I'm bummed that Arizona took Ryan Lindley, great arm and release, big frame. No talent around him. Was my sleeper dev project for chan. Just going off his highlight reel a few weeks back I was more impressed than I was from osweller. Oh well, liking our draft anyway...carder and sanders were great value there Meant to add...John Brantley would be a nice dev project too...we're going to bring someone in at qb either t the end or in fa , who it will be should be interesting cuz they need a third for competition at least

Cordy Glenn OT Georgia STRENGTHS Cordy is a huge, talented, athletic offensive lineman. He is so large that when he lines up on the line of scrimmage, he sticks out like a Beluga whale. He has very quick feet and when he uses the correct techniques, he is a very good pass blocker. Cordy steps up when he is challenged. He has good mental stamina and is a smart offensive lineman. He understands his assignments and does not make many mistakes or have a lot of penalties. He has excellent balance and is very rarely on the ground after, or before, a block. Cordy does a good job using his hands to keep players away from his body and has those long arms to go along with his quick feet that make you think he has left tackle talent -- and he does. He has played multiple positions for his college team because of his athletic talent and football intelligence. Cordy can be an excellent left tackle or right tackle at the next level. In fact, if he wants it badly enough, he could play any position he wants on the offensive line. That's if he wants it. CONCERNS Cordy looks to me on film to be about 340 - 350 lbs. He needs to slim down to about 320 lbs. He also needs to get stronger in both his upper and lower body. Right now, Cordy does not have the strength that most players his size possess and is also a very sloppy run blocker. He comes off the line upright and slow and, because he doesn't have much strength in his legs, he gets pushed off the line until he can bring his feet and use his weight to defeat his block. For the next level, that will not work. This kid has a lot of work to do to be a guard or a tackle for the next level, but he does have the athletic talent and I think moving around so much and playing different positions has stunted his growth as an offensive lineman. He needs to figure out what position he wants to play in the NFL and start working on it really fast...and, he needs to lose weight! BOTTOM LINE Being overweight and using sloppy techniques do not make me feel that Cordy is not going to be a successful offensive lineman at the next level. He has the talent and I'm sure the coaches love him because of his ability to play more than one position. However, I think this has given Cordy a false sense of his abilities for the next level. This happens a lot to talented players at the college level. Coaches take a player with Cordy's talent for granted and stop coaching him to coach players who need more help. Cordy needs good coaching to go with his strength and weight training. He is a very talented player and his workouts will move him up on teams' boards, but he is a few years away from starting for the team that drafts him. If he doesn't get stronger and is thrown on the field too early, there's a possibility he will get injured and defensive linemen will beat him like a drum. That being said, he has left tackle talent and playoff teams at the end of the first round will take a chance on him and draft him a little early. Right now, I don't see him playing guard at the next level because he is slow off the snap but that may improve with the weight loss and improved strength as well. To me, he is definitely a tackle. A tackle with the talent to play at a Pro Bowl level, but that talent is currently hidden deep right now and it will take time, good coaching and a great strength and conditioning program. I like this kid's talent and you should never pass up on a player with Cordy's type of talent and attitude who could play more than one position on your offensive line.

I'm hoping for Alshon Jeffrey in the 2nd round. I don't belive some of what I've read about him re: separation. He's big, wily, and catches everything.

apparently he had several examples of red flags - he had that one CB that is off several boards also. That's the one segment I saw, where he discussed the risk / reward of talented red flaggers.

Thought this was interesting - two of the best in the biz created their own board the other night. Not the complete pool, but interesting to see how theirs stacks up against some of the mocks. I had missed most of it. http://www.patspulpit.com/2012/4/25/2973544/nfl-draft-2012-bill-polians-and-bill-parcells-draft-board

Floyd fans: Has anyone heard an interview with him? I was not impressed to say the least.

The point is not to draw conclusions as to why, which is unknowable to us armchair hacks, but to point out that it is, in fact, statistically significant. 5/9 seasons - find another divisional rivalry anywhere in the NFL that has had that one-sided luxury that frequently. You can squawk at allegations of the WHY or WHO of it, but you can't deny that it's there, for whatever reason.

I think we deserve better than that. No MNF? BS.