Cosell's Comments on the Bills

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

Just listened to Greg Cossell in the Colin Cowherd show. He was asked about what he thought about the Bills. I think this guy really knows his football.

 

Here's what he basically said. Not a great listen as a Bills fan. They aren't one of the most talented teams in the league, they aren't that good overall from a talent perspective, they lack  play makers on both sides of the ball, very poor WR core and Kalir is more of a WR3, , have to scheme up offense, and rely on Josh being Superman which is hard to be sustainable and win like that. 

 

I know it's just one guys opinion but this guy really knows his football. Doesn't mean the Bills can't win it all. Nevertheless, this was pretty eye opening and deflating. What do you think? 

Who is your favorite team? 

[Bockeye]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

Just listened to Greg Cossell in the Colin Cowherd show. He was asked about what he thought about the Bills. I think this guy really knows his football.

 

Here's what he basically said. Not a great listen as a Bills fan. They aren't one of the most talented teams in the league, they aren't that good overall from a talent perspective, they lack  play makers on both sides of the ball, very poor WR core and Kalir is more of a WR3, , have to scheme up offense, and rely on Josh being Superman which is hard to be sustainable and win like that. 

 

I know it's just one guys opinion but this guy really knows his football. Doesn't mean the Bills can't win it all. Nevertheless, this was pretty eye opening and deflating. What do you think? 

I bet 90% of this board agrees with this sentiment in some form or fashion.  I think the likes/dislikes to your post is already reflecting that. 

 

His statement is a direct indictment of Beane and the scouting staff.  From your summary it doesn’t sound like he said anything about poor coaching, play design etc. 

 

 

 

 

[Process]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

this was pretty eye opening and deflating.

Serious question, have you ever watched a Bills game, ever?

 

Is this just another classic newcam troll post?

Edited 1 hour ago by Process

[Matt_In_NH]

25 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

No, he’s actually quite knowledgeable about football and his negative comments are far more tempered. 

 

I know who he is and I agree.  But the summary written sounds like a random bills fan right now. 

[TheBrownBear]

1 hour ago, Success said:

He ain't wrong.

 

But there is still a winning formula for teams like ours.  We don't have JAGs - just average talent and no real "playmakers" outside of Allen, Cook and maybe Kincaid if we're being generous.  But it's just about playing sound, complementary football.  Our offense still in the league's top 3.  The team is basically the same talent-wise that came within a dropped pass or proper 4th & 1 spot of making it to the Super Bowl last year.

 

Yep. There were a couple of Patriots teams who didn't wow you from a talent perspective (outside of Brady) that won titles.  It can be done.

[Chaos]

2 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Yep. There were a couple of Patriots teams who didn't wow you from a talent perspective (outside of Brady) that won titles.  It can be done.

Which ones? 

[QB Bills]

4 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Yep. There were a couple of Patriots teams who didn't wow you from a talent perspective (outside of Brady) that won titles.  It can be done.

Those teams had solid to great defenses led by maybe the best head coach in the history of the game. This Bills team isn't close to either.

 

Honestly, if Josh Allen can lead this roster with this coaching staff to a championship, it just might be the greatest single-season feat by a QB in NFL history and they should induct him into the HoF the next day.

Edited 1 hour ago by QB Bills

[gonzo1105]

They do lack a lot of high end talent. That’s been said by many posters in here. This not high end talented team though it has a lot of depth on it as clearly shown by record/amount of injuries and has the best Quarterback in the NFL as well as a average talented team that seems to work together and do their job more often than not. 
 

I’ve begged the Bills for more size/speed for years, a thing that isn’t on top of their priority but it does seem to be shifting in their philosophy a bit which I’m thankful for just wish they would have done it quicker 

[TheBrownBear]

10 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Which ones? 

I'd say at least the first and last Super Bowl teams weren't particularly "dominating" from a talent perspective - especially the 2001-2002 team.

Edited 59 minutes ago by TheBrownBear

[newcam2012]

54 minutes ago, Draconator said:

I got you. (Why? I have no idea)

 

@newcam2012 When you go to the original post of this thread, click on edit. In there, you can edit the title yourself. Maybe something like "Cosell? Yuck!" or "Which one of you is really Greg Cosell?" 

Thanks

[newcam2012]

25 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Yep. There were a couple of Patriots teams who didn't wow you from a talent perspective (outside of Brady) that won titles.  It can be done.

Good point. Flacco too with the Ravens was red hot. I think someone already pointed this out. 

 

We fans are still hoped this is the year. 

23 minutes ago, QB Bills said:

Those teams had solid to great defenses led by maybe the best head coach in the history of the game. This Bills team isn't close to either.

 

Honestly, if Josh Allen can lead this roster with this coaching staff to a championship, it just might be the greatest single-season feat by a QB in NFL history and they should induct him into the HoF the next day.

Good point about the defense. I'm not sure anyone is confident in the Bills defense. At best, I think we can hope for timely stops and a couple of big turnovers. 

[transient]

He's not wrong, however, you could make an argument that some of those Brady/Belichick Patriots*** teams were built in the same mold, only generally with better coaching on both sides of the ball. Brady spent a huge chunk of his career in NE*** with a slot, a TE (and, at one point, a killer TE room ), and otherwise trash at WR. Of course, they actually wanted him to throw the ball, but...

[zow2]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

Just listened to Greg Cossell in the Colin Cowherd show. He was asked about what he thought about the Bills. I think this guy really knows his football.

 

Here's what he basically said. Not a great listen as a Bills fan. They aren't one of the most talented teams in the league, they aren't that good overall from a talent perspective, they lack  play makers on both sides of the ball, very poor WR core and Kalir is more of a WR3, , have to scheme up offense, and rely on Josh being Superman which is hard to be sustainable and win like that. 

 

I know it's just one guys opinion but this guy really knows his football. Doesn't mean the Bills can't win it all. Nevertheless, this was pretty eye opening and deflating. What do you think? 

 

Yeah I saw this too and mentioned it in the Pats week thread.   Wasn't sure if Cosell was just agreeing with Cowherd since he was led down that path? or if he really feels that way in his heart of hearts.  As a viewer I definitely came away from that exchange thinking we have zero chance to win anything unless Allen is Superman.  Which is kind of a weird take because off the top of my head, the Bills have wins this year over Jets, Carolina, Pittsburgh, Saints??  where Allen really did not have to do much.  

 

Bottom line, the defense seems like they are finding some success and back to getting big turnovers.  Plus the rest of the AFC teams have flaws all over the place.  I don't think the Bills are that talentless compared to the other AFC expected playoff teams.

[transient]

30 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Yep. There were a couple of Patriots teams who didn't wow you from a talent perspective (outside of Brady) that won titles.  It can be done.

saw this after I posted my comments

[MJS]

So the Bills are in the same boat as every other contending team in the NFL right now. Maybe some other teams have some star players, but also massive holes or injuries in other areas. That's just the league this year.

[Dan]

2 hours ago, gjv said:

Not a good commentary on Beane's roster building, coming from a reputable NFL football player evaluator.

The problem with this line of reasoning that is steadily brought up on this board… Beane acquired and built a roster this summer only to have a good portion of those players go on IR.  The injuries started before the season began!   It’s hard to blame Beane for not foreseeing injuries.  

[No_Matter_What]

He is mostly right, but it is completely logical. 

 

Of course that this team is average outside of Allen. Anything else would be weird. There is no team in the league other than the Chiefs consistently drafting so low. And Chiefs apparently don't have better roster too, since if they had, they wouldn't be 6-7 with a HC who many here consider goat and a QB who may be slightly worse this year is still considered as best of his generation.

 

All other teams have at least sometimes or pretty often drafted in top 10, and that is where their top talent mostly comes from. Beane didn't have that opportunity. I am not saying he doesn't have his flaws (he does), but you can't expect this roster outside of Allen be some kind of juggernaut.

 

Or in other words, name a team which (i) pays its QB top 10 money and (ii) didn't pick higher than 25 in past 6 years and has top roster without any flaws. There is none.

Edited 29 minutes ago by No_Matter_What

[HOUSE]

I am sorry but  the guy reminds me of Jimmy Spagnola. 

The Bills have one of the top 3 QBs in pro football

Top 2 in RBs

Top 5 TE trio

Top 5 offense line

We are missing 2 yutes on defense but we will be fine.

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Screw Cosell.  What does Ross Tucker say? 🥴

[Buffalo716]

Objectively he's not 100% correct on everything he says 

 

And the whole Josh has to be Superman to win is 100% misguided by feelings 

 

Singletary was here for 4 years and had six 100 yard games... 5 years ago Josh had to go Superman basically every single time the bills won 

 

James Cook is one of the leading rushers in the NFL.. he has seven 100-yard games this year 

 

That would take enormous pressure off a good quarterback.. let alone  we consider Josh an all-time great?

 

That literally by itself is taking immense pressure off of Josh.. we have won games this year where Josh had to do very little that was not possible 5 years ago 

 

So sure he makes good points and he understands football but he also regurgitates talking points which are not always factually sound 

 

Josh Allen has had tons of pressure taken off him this year because of what we've done in the run game and in our screen game... Josh had to be Superman for 60 minutes back in the day 

 

Josh has to be Superman now for 7 plays... And that's literally what the entire NFL world said we needed to get Josh over the hump 

 

You can't make him be Superman for 60 minutes and four quarters.. but guess what he can do it for an handful of plays 

 

And that's all he has to do

 

He used to be our leading passer and leading rusher all the time.. now he just needs to make some timely plays

Edited 19 minutes ago by Buffalo716