According to Cover 1, Coleman will be a healthy scratch

[DJB]

 

[boyst]

8 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

There’s still a ton of stuff that gets swept under the rug.  One is a stunner - someone who has a great rep is a total phony and I had to believe the BNews knows and hid it.  

It blows my mind that these media guys, especially the radio, make these crusades on Beane for his WR comments and ego but sat back on Whaley, said nothing about Rex, the 13 seconds, and stuff we find out about.

 

What's the axe they have on Beane when he's actually a good solid dude? 

[Billsflyer12]

5 minutes ago, boyst said:

It blows my mind that these media guys, especially the radio, make these crusades on Beane for his WR comments and ego but sat back on Whaley, said nothing about Rex, the 13 seconds, and stuff we find out about.

 

What's the axe they have on Beane when he's actually a good solid dude? 

The WGR guys have not “made a crusade” on his comments, they have actually been so much more professional about it all than Beane was.

 

The amount of and type of media today is so much more intense then Whaley/Rex era.  They would have gotten a much bigger axe if it was back then.

[Mailman]

41 minutes ago, DJB said:

 

Exactly. What on Earth did scouts see?  Inexcusable. 

[SectionC3]

7 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

So to speculate on the “incident”, because now I’m curious, the only recent incident that comes to my mind is whatever happened at Josh’s house the night before the Bengal playoff game.  That said, I don’t know how anyone’s presence would implicate that player in some way.

 

If we’re talking incidents further in the past, there was the Marcel Dareus drag racing incident, where it eventually came out that Jerry Hughes was involved too.  And there were also eventually stories that Jerry had an alter ego “Gary” on the field (https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/buffalo/sports/2020/10/29/the-evolution-of--gary--hughes).  So, in lieu of no additional information or clues, Jerry is my guess 😃.

Nope.  The article was in the Buffalo News.  One player was mentioned. One was not.  And the one that wasn’t … a little digging would have revealed a national

story. 

[LarryMadman]

3 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Well that's just it. If you're picking at the bottom of Round 1 at the highest and especially if you're picking one in Round 2 or 3 - you're not getting someone who's considered a difference making, stud prospect at premium positions. 

 

Wow, don't tell the Eagles or Chiefs this because they seem to be doing ok.

[<bills4life>]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

It blows my mind that these media guys, especially the radio, make these crusades on Beane for his WR comments and ego but sat back on Whaley, said nothing about Rex, the 13 seconds, and stuff we find out about.

 

What's the axe they have on Beane when he's actually a good solid dude? 

A “good solid dude” should mean absolutely nothing in a results based profession.  

[LEBills]

5 hours ago, Tanoros said:

I think the main thing missing from this conversation is a realistic understanding of how the draft actually works league wide. The way you are framing it makes it sound like because good players exist in rounds 2 and later, a GM should be able to consistently find them, as if landing strong mid round starters is some kind of yearly expectation. But the league wide numbers do not support that idea at all.

 

The truth is that far more drafted players fail to become meaningful contributors than succeed, even in Round 2. That is not a Beane issue, that is the nature of the NFL draft itself. Treating every non hit as a GM failure ignores how volatile the draft is and how rare consistent mid round success really is.

 

When you look at Beane in that context, his performance is objectively above average. His draft classes have produced an Approximate Value of about 428 compared to an expected value of roughly 362.5. That is around 118 percent of expected value, which means he is getting more real on field production out of his picks than the average NFL GM over the same span.

 

It is also fair to say he has not hit a true home run since Josh Allen. That is a valid criticism and it is something fans understandably want more of. But franchise level players are extremely rare and almost always found in Round 1. Cook might end up being a home run from Round 2, but we still need more time to see how he develops.

 

The larger point is that consistently landing good or solid starters at all is a genuine success. Acting like every GM should routinely find Kelce and Chris Jones level players in rounds 2 or 3 is just not grounded in how the draft actually works. Even great drafting teams miss constantly, including the Chiefs.

 

On AJ Epenesa specifically, he is actually a good example of why expectations need to be realistic. A second round pick who has stayed in the league for five seasons, carved out a real rotational and part time starter role, and continues to contribute is already outperforming the league norm. The average NFL career is about 3.3 years, and many day two picks flame out after two or three seasons and never become starters at all. Epenesa lasting this long and playing real snaps makes him a plus outcome relative to what most teams get from that draft slot.

 

The idea that Beane stands out as a GM who has not produced results also does not match reality. The Bills have won the division four straight years, made multiple deep playoff runs, and maintained one of the league’s most consistently competitive rosters, all while drafting above league expectation in cumulative value.

 

So yes, Beane is not perfect, and he has not hit another Allen level home run. But his draft record is above average, his picks have exceeded league expectation, and expecting any GM to consistently uncover stars outside Round 1 is simply not realistic. Good and plus starters are wins, and Beane has produced those at a rate better than the league baseline.

 

https://www.cover1.net/buffalo-bills-brandon-beane-nfl-draft-success-rate/

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/about/approximate_value.htm

Yes sorry you are missing my point. Beane has made some fine picks. And the job he had isn’t the easiest - coming to a team just out of a 17 year old draught, finding a QB that became elite but took most of his rookie contract to get there. He has had more challenges than other GMs for recent superbowl teams. He is not a terrible GM.

 

As I have said before, I don’t care about where we are drafting. Sure he is getting above average value, but many of those GMs that are doing worse than him no longer have a job. I am measuring him against the stalwart GMs whose results have led to an extended tenure like his. They have either drafted, traded or signed their way (often times all three) to enough elite talent on rosters to get to the Super Bowl. Beane’s cumulative has not been good enough.

This has devolved into a conversation of is Beane a good drafted or not. I think this benching of Keon is as much due to the position they put Keon in (being the guy expected to replace Diggs because they haven’t done anything else significant to do so) as it is Keons ability and effort. 

 

4 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

EYeah, it really goes without saying that if you land on two future Hall of Famers in Round 2 and Round 3 within 2 or 3 years of each other - you're going to be in really good shape...

 

But that takes *incredible* luck. 9 times out of 10, in Round 2 or Round 3 you're way more likely than not getting something with a ceiling of a low to mid level starter, a role player, and the floor of a flat out bust. Especially if you're picking premium positions like WR, CB, DE, or OT.

Then find another way to get them - trade picks for starters or sign in free agency if it is soooo impossible. Somehow others teams have done it. He did it once with Diggs and that was his best move behind drafting Allen. If you can’t scout yourself into great talent, then trade for it. But that would require being better with your salary cap to be able to acquire players with larger contracts. Something we have struggled with since Allen’s rookie contract has ended.

[RunTheBall]

It’s easy to see in retrospect that this move was foreshadowed last year after Keon got hurt. Up until then, he seemed to be coming along nicely for a rookie. After that injury, he’s been complete ass. We also had both McD and Beane make comments about his effort and professionalism coming back from that injury. 

 

To me it seems like an immaturity issue for Keon. I think he has the skills to play in the NFL but when you combine that with a lack of effort and a lack of professionalism, he’s a bust. 

 

You could also add in that Brady sucks at scheming receivers open and that isn’t doing Keon any favors, but the guy is velcroed to every DB that covers him yet doesn’t use his body to box out DBs and make catches. 

 

I think he’s off the team next year, but I could see a scenario where he sits for a few games, wakes the F up and starts producing with another chance. That would take a complete 180 in his mental make up though. IDK if he has it in him.

 

I think it’s the right move. We needed to do something drastic because what we had wasn’t working and was only getting worse. It will be interesting to see if the presence of Gabe is able to open up the middle of the field for Josh and keep that over the top safety from coming down into the intermediate area like they do every time Keon is 1 on 1 on the outside.

 

[FireChans]

50 minutes ago, Mailman said:

Exactly. What on Earth did scouts see?  Inexcusable. 

The same thing they saw from Devin Funchess when they drafted him in the top of the second round.

 

A big slow.

[H2o]

Prior to the draft I was screaming that I did not want us to draft Coleman. Xavier Legette was my guy. He isn't lighting the world on fire right now either, but that is who I wanted. The Panthers trade with us and take Legette. The next day we take Coleman. I was pretty ticked off about it. Then we went through the rest of that draft and didn't take another WR. I was even more ticked off about that when we repeatedly passed on Franklin. 

 

Still, Keon showed some flashes last year. I started to get some hope that I was wrong, and he would at least be a Gabe Davis type of contributor. The Tennessee and Seattle games were good performances. Then he got cheap-shotted by Poyer and hasn't been the same since. He had the big game against Baltimore and he hasn't had more than 4 catches, which was only once, or more than 46 yards in a game since. He's averaged 3 catches and 26 yards a game since week one. Pretty underwhelming to say the least. Then, on top of that, we've all seen the miscues in his route running, how him and Josh just are not on the same page. Maybe this will be a wake up call for him. Maybe it won't. Maybe they will ship him out in the offseason for a 5th or 6th. We shall see. 

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[Solomon Grundy]

13 hours ago, Success said:

 

It makes no sense to me.  This is a young player's chance to prove himself in the NFL - the decisions he makes could mean millions, or even 10's of millions.  

 

 

The problem I see with many young people is that they don't want to work for anything. They feel like they are entitled to the benefits of life. Jmo

[strive_for_five_guy]

51 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Nope.  The article was in the Buffalo News.  One player was mentioned. One was not.  And the one that wasn’t … a little digging would have revealed a national

story. 

Ha, now you have me wondering why did James Cook skip out on his bar tab at Venu, and who was there with him? 🤔😂

[Solomon Grundy]

Where's the leadership on this team!!! You see it in NE. Treyveon said how Diggs makes him a better player by being hard on him. Why haven't we heard about anyone riding Keon? McDermott? Okay, but it needs to come from the locker room. If he's not putting in the effort on the field, a player needs to yoke the youngster up and tell him to shape up or get shipped out!! Not on this team!!

[boater]

4 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Where's the leadership on this team!!! You see it in NE. Treyveon said how Diggs makes him a better player by being hard on him. Why haven't we heard about anyone riding Keon? McDermott? Okay, but it needs to come from the locker room. If he's not putting in the effort on the field, a player needs to yoke the youngster up and tell him to shape up or get shipped out!! Not on this team!!

 

Sadly, I think we're getting the best Keon has to offer. You can't get blood from a stone, he can't be motivated to bring more because he is bringing his best. It just sucks.

 

He is a draft bust.

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Where's the leadership on this team!!! You see it in NE. Treyveon said how Diggs makes him a better player by being hard on him. Why haven't we heard about anyone riding Keon? McDermott? Okay, but it needs to come from the locker room. If he's not putting in the effort on the field, a player needs to yoke the youngster up and tell him to shape up or get shipped out!! Not on this team!!

They don’t have anyone with the credibility outside of Josh. Something is going on with Josh this year too. The fire has been missing. That in your face Josh Allen just hasn’t been around. When I see him sitting at the end of the bench, by himself, on the tablet, hanging his head, I want throw something at the TV. That’s not who he is.

 

As an aside, I think that Brady shouldto the sidelines. He’s a fiery guy and can be attached to Josh. He can drive the emotion on offense.

[JerseyBills]

he's Kelvin Benjamin esque

[MarlinTheMagician]

It is so painful that Ladd McConkey was just sitting there.  I felt crushed the moment they drafted the big, slow, non-separator.  We may well have been able to have him with our own second round pick after his combine performance.  Have never wanted him, tried to come around and get behind Coleman, tried to convince myself based on baloney concerning the top speed he can reach in his routes.  And there have been a few moments, but all-in-all McConkey's play breaks my heart.  Was a terrible miss. 

[Coach Tuesday]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

Nope.  The article was in the Buffalo News.  One player was mentioned. One was not.  And the one that wasn’t … a little digging would have revealed a national

story. 

I will NOT have you sully the name of Reid Ferguson on this fine Sunday!

[nuklz2594]

coleman perhaps is learning that NFL stands for not for long. hate to give up on the kid. hoping if he is scratch that this becomes a come to Jesus moment.