Some changes you would like to see this week

[Low Positive]

I am watching the All-22 right now. We lost this game because of turnovers and penalties. I've vented at the refs in the other thread, but watching the Bills first drive again really brought home the fact that if that first fumble doesn't happen the Bills probably score a TD there. They couldn't stop us. Then, we got on the wrong side of a field position exchange. Keon's fumble was really bad. He wasn't even hit. Every time we got rolling in the first half after that, there would be a ticky-tack holding or illegal formation call to break up drives. They were all penalties, but the Pats were holding all night and they didn't call a single one. I just keep getting more and more angry every time I see these uncalled holds that were much more obvious than McGovern's hold with 5 minutes left in the second quarter that killed a drive that could have resulted in a Bills double dip. They say there is offensive holding in every play in every football game, but for some reason they decided that one team could magically block all night without holding. 

 

But to answer the question, the Bills need to clean up the illegal formation BS. Get lined up correctly within the letter of the law. They want to throw that flag, so don't give them the option. Also, stop turning the ball over. Maybe don't run a jet sweep with a TE with bad hands?

 

But in terms of personnel? They need a WR who can get open even if the defense takes the pass away. Not just a fast guy, but someone who can make guys fall down with route running. But I cannot identify a team that will be out of contention and doesn't have a young QB that they are developing. Pretty much every NFL team could make the playoffs or is in the QB development cycle. The few examples are either in the division or don't have anyone the Bills would want. This had to be done in the offseason, but this is made almost impossible because we demand that our WR corps be diva-free. Guess what? Almost all elite boundary receivers are huge divas. So I think we're kind of stuck.

 

As an example, watch this Ja'Maar Chase TD from yesterday. Yeah, he's fast. But he beats his man with route running, https://www.bengals.com/video/ja-marr-chase-jake-browning-highlights-64-yard-touchdown-bengals-lions-week-5-2025

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

No more fumbles! 

[RobbRiddick]

2 hours ago, Yobogoya! said:

 

Yeah imagine having Josh Allen at QB and play ball control offense vs Spencer f'n Rattler, he who was 0-9 as a starter going into our matchup. 

 

Sometimes you can just punch down vs an inferior opponent and smoke them.  

My issue with the ball control stuff has always been that if you end up with long drives that ultimately break down or end in a FG (or missed FG) you've taken a lot of time off the clock and essentially done the job of the opposing offense for them, i.e. reduced the amount of opportunities Josh Allen gets. 

 

It's not like the old days when it was more effective. Offenses can score so quickly now that you can quickly find yourself in a hole without much time left on the clock, and when your defense can't get stops on 3rd down it becomes even worse

[RunTheBall]

I’d like Josh to get over his Diggs hang up. He was pressing last night and making stupid decisions. He was directly responsible for 17-21 points not going on the board for us. 1) A very easy read to give Ty Johnson the ball on the read option for a likely TD. He pre determined he was keeping the ball himself. 2) Bailed out of a huge clean pocket for no reason and missed a WIDE OPEN Samuel downfield for an easy TD 3) That interception was a horrific decision and I got the feeling he was fed up and was going to rip one in there.

 

Was Josh the main problem? Nope. Turnovers and offensive penalties were the main issue. Even with Josh’s bad decisions we’d have won easily without the TOs and constant penalties.

 

I see too many defects with this defense to think we are going to be Super Bowl bound. I stated in an earlier thread I’d wait until the reinforcements showed up, and I’m still trying to cling to that, but it’s tough. 1) At least Groot made an appearance for once 2) Rapp is horrible, slow, and a liability 3) Milano is good but made of glass 4) Thompson needs to start 5) Tre is washed 6) Johnson looks washed 7) DTs suck until Ed comes back, Jones was ok. 

 

Those are too many issues to fix in one season. I hope I’m wrong, maybe this was just that stinker game we play every year and they are going to get much better as the season progresses. They did have a solid pass rush in the first half but the second half that evaporated and Maye just shredded the D constantly rolling to his right.

 

 

[first_and_ten]

2 hours ago, zow2 said:

- Get some help for Bobby Babich, we have some athletes but they are not in good position and the in-game schemes are off on 3rd and medium+

 

- Change this season's offensive philosophy.  Stop playing such conservative football in the first half of games. When you have Josh Allen and deficiencies on the back end of your defense, building a nice lead with some up-tempo offence will get you the #1 seed.  These guys are holding back and running the offense like we have Joe Flacco at QB.  Check the film from the previous few seasons on how they rolled teams in the first half.

 

- Demote Ray Davis and promote the Gore Jr. kid.  If nothing else, to send a message for a week or two.  Gotta give James Cook fewer touches without losing massive amounts of productivity. 

 

- May need to trade draft assets for a legit downfield threat, these outside WR's are not championship caliber guys.  

 

Lack of receiver ability to separate and go deep was bound to catch up with them. Coleman might be a bust. I was yelling at my TV at draft time to pick McConkey. We hand KC an offensive weapon and we take a slow, jump ball guy. Beane BLEW it!!!!

[34-78-83]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Did you watch the all 22 yet to confirm this?  I don’t like to comment on the separation unless I’ve watched the all-22.  The tv camera doesn’t tell the whole story.  My buddy said he saw guys open (didn’t specify if any were deep) while Josh was navigating in the pocket prematurely on several occasion, although I didn’t see it with my own eyes

I agree with your buddy on guys getting open at times down field, and was at the game. But more to the point, what @Simon said was accurate. The PATS would not come out of 2 high shell almost all night long. So its not not all of one thing or another... There's some separation issues on the outside AND there's some coverage dictating it being dangerous to go over the top.

[RunTheBall]

1 minute ago, 34-78-83 said:

I agree with your buddy on guys getting open at times down field, and was at the game. But more to the point, what @Simon said was accurate. The PATS would not come out of 2 high shell almost all night long. So its not not all of one thing or another... There's some separation issues on the outside AND there's some coverage dictating it being dangerous to go over the top.

And the fact that Brady not only gave up on the run, but didn’t throw more than 1 pass to James out of the backfield (2 high killer) is coaching malpractice. 

[Simon]

6 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

I agree with your buddy on guys getting open at times down field, and was at the game. But more to the point, what @Simon said was accurate. The PATS would not come out of 2 high shell almost all night long. So its not not all of one thing or another... There's some separation issues on the outside AND there's some coverage dictating it being dangerous to go over the top.

 

Thank you.

That was what it looked like on TV but you can never be 100% sure with limited broadcast angles and their burgeoning propensity to forego replays and instead opt for the human drama of a view up a coach's or QB's nostrils. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

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[zow2]

1 hour ago, first_and_ten said:

 

Lack of receiver ability to separate and go deep was bound to catch up with them. Coleman might be a bust. I was yelling at my TV at draft time to pick McConkey. We hand KC an offensive weapon and we take a slow, jump ball guy. Beane BLEW it!!!!

 

Now i see that Keon was held out of the first series for disciplinary reasons?!?  My gosh this ship is taking on water fast.

[frostbitmic]

1. The outcome of the game

2. Ingram starting over White at CB

3. Send a receiver deep on every play, and maybe even throw one or two deep passes a game, I think teams know we won't.

[BillsClinton]

1 hour ago, RunTheBall said:

And the fact that Brady not only gave up on the run, but didn’t throw more than 1 pass to James out of the backfield (2 high killer) is coaching malpractice. 

This is weird to me. We seem to have eliminated throwing James Cook the ball from the playbook. I understand he's dropped some untimely passes but he's still our most electric weapon. Would make sense to at least throw him the ball underneath instead of ... a swing pass to a tight end? 

[ProcessTruster]

I'd like to see the whining fanbase shut the f up and get on with the season.   They'll be fine.  Lotta season left. 

[jethro_tull]

1 get the ball to cook in the slot or level 1 

2 stop telegraphing the play calls

Edited 45 minutes ago by jethro_tull

[Solomon Grundy]

Bring in Asante Samuel Jr for a workout/physical 

[MasterStrategist]

3 hours ago, Low Positive said:

I am watching the All-22 right now. We lost this game because of turnovers and penalties. I've vented at the refs in the other thread, but watching the Bills first drive again really brought home the fact that if that first fumble doesn't happen the Bills probably score a TD there. They couldn't stop us. Then, we got on the wrong side of a field position exchange. Keon's fumble was really bad. He wasn't even hit. Every time we got rolling in the first half after that, there would be a ticky-tack holding or illegal formation call to break up drives. They were all penalties, but the Pats were holding all night and they didn't call a single one. I just keep getting more and more angry every time I see these uncalled holds that were much more obvious than McGovern's hold with 5 minutes left in the second quarter that killed a drive that could have resulted in a Bills double dip. They say there is offensive holding in every play in every football game, but for some reason they decided that one team could magically block all night without holding. 

 

But to answer the question, the Bills need to clean up the illegal formation BS. Get lined up correctly within the letter of the law. They want to throw that flag, so don't give them the option. Also, stop turning the ball over. Maybe don't run a jet sweep with a TE with bad hands?

 

But in terms of personnel? They need a WR who can get open even if the defense takes the pass away. Not just a fast guy, but someone who can make guys fall down with route running. But I cannot identify a team that will be out of contention and doesn't have a young QB that they are developing. Pretty much every NFL team could make the playoffs or is in the QB development cycle. The few examples are either in the division or don't have anyone the Bills would want. This had to be done in the offseason, but this is made almost impossible because we demand that our WR corps be diva-free. Guess what? Almost all elite boundary receivers are huge divas. So I think we're kind of stuck.

 

As an example, watch this Ja'Maar Chase TD from yesterday. Yeah, he's fast. But he beats his man with route running, https://www.bengals.com/video/ja-marr-chase-jake-browning-highlights-64-yard-touchdown-bengals-lions-week-5-2025

100% on all this.

 

Im vented about the lack of. boundary WR talent, we continue to hope/pray Keon can become a X, Palmer was brought in to be a separator, then LY it was Samuel. 

 

As you said, no diva = not elite. most of timr at WR.

 

This is on Beane and also giving Allen too much leeway into decision making.  

 

I disliked the WGR interview earlier this offseason, would be their chance to bring this up again now/after last night's debacle.

[jkeerie]

3 hours ago, RunTheBall said:

They did have a solid pass rush in the first half but the second half that evaporated and Maye just shredded the D constantly rolling to his right.

 

 

Tasker was talking about that today.  In the second half, the Pats used the same formation with a two back set and then used those backs to help block the edge defenders.  With our DT woes, the Pats trusted their inside o line to block the inside rushers to give Maye a clean pocket.  That was the difference in the Bills ability to generate pressure in the second half.  Diggs had months to get open.

[Maine-iac]

Bishop to strong safety.  I think Bishop is getting it.  Hancock to free safety.  Rapp and Cam back up the safeties and Taron at nickel.  Zy Alexander to the practice squad.  Get Hairston coached up and on the field.  We need new blood in the secondary.  We need guys who can cover and if they can't cover they've gotta go.  White is fine as a back up.  We need someone younger, faster, and stickier.   Maybe there should be some concerns about tackling from all these new guys but have you seen the tackling so far this year from the guys currently starting?  McDermott seems like a decent head coach and our defenses have typically been pretty solid but last year and this year are not going to cut it.  Our D Line is getting pressure.  Stopping the run is always going to induce anxiety just from the scheme we run.  Stopping the pass is what we generally are selling out to do with light boxes and only rushing 4.  It's unacceptable to have guys running open as often as we do.

 

ps

Was all over drafting Mukuba after a CB or DT and certainly would have taken him over Landon Jackson.  Nothing against Jackson but we needed a cover safety more than another pocket collapsing DE.  Mukuba and Bishop and we would have been set at safety.  

Edited 22 minutes ago by Maine-iac

[Yobogoya!]

1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said:

I'd like to see the whining fanbase shut the f up and get on with the season.   They'll be fine.  Lotta season left. 

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[notpolian]

The defense played ok yesterday.  Not perfect, but acceptable especially given turnover/ field position issues 

 

I'd like to open up the offense a bit earlier.  It's like we are playing with one arm tied behind the back for way too long.  So many play per drive leads to more opportunities for mistakes.  It isn't easy given this WR group, but a few RB wheel routes or whatever to Johnson or Cook would be nice.  I'm not overly optimistic we'll see any changes however, this offense is exactly what McDermott wants IMO.