Joe Brady through 2 games

[Not at the table Karlos]

9 hours ago, Since1981 said:

It is interesting that Brady never has run a trick play. The 49 snow toss td was ad hoc. I’m not complaining but it is a point of difference 

Did you miss the Baltimore regular season game last year by any chance. 

[Ayjent]

14 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

That comment frustrates me about Joe Brady. I always say the bills scheme offense like they are underdogs, and that comment by him kind of backs it up.

 

Why are you going into the game trying to play clock control, run the ball, and shorten the game when you're a 7 point favourite.. That's what underdog teams try to do, and you have Josh Friggin Allen at QB on top of it

Because its what makes a 7.5 point favorite have a 20pt victory.  They know they can unleash the passing game if they need to, they just didn't really need to.  Running shortened the game, rested the Bills D and wore down the Jets D.  And when people say this team is only Josh Allen on Offense this game says much differently.  They could have probably won this game by the same margin with Mitchapalooza.

[SoCal Deek]

Brady needs to get far more creative on short yardage downs, including two point conversions. Rolling Allen to the right and giving him the option of a quick toss, or keeping it, looks like something that would work every time, and potentially with less probability of injury than the human pile of the tush push. It makes the defender choose between staying with the RB/TE or going after Josh. We did it once yesterday and picked up the yardage easily. It’s what you do when you have a mobile QB. 

[MikePJ76]

24 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

That comment frustrates me about Joe Brady. I always say the bills scheme offense like they are underdogs, and that comment by him kind of backs it up.

 

Why are you going into the game trying to play clock control, run the ball, and shorten the game when you're a 7 point favourite.. That's what underdog teams try to do, and you have Josh Friggin Allen at QB on top of it

If you don’t like how the bills have played offense under Joe Brady go back and watch the game vs Denver in 2023.

 

if that doesn’t make you have a eureka moment I don’t know what will make you see the light.  The bills are a run first team and built an excellent roster to run with.

 

they have won like 90% of the game since Brady has been the oc and they have embraced this philosophy.  Do you like gaudy offensive statistics or wins?

[BillsVet]

1 hour ago, Sweats said:

I was listening to a podcast yesterday and they brought up this exact thing, however, what they mentioned is that the play calling may not be flashy, it is actually quite brilliant when you consider that the Bills are playing a "grind it out" style and forcing teams to beat themselves.

 

Works well against teams with inferior QBs like the Jets.  As evidenced by the Division or Championship Game level, not so much unless Josh dials it up like he did in Week 1 versus Baltimore or against KC in the 13 seconds game. 

 

Larger point is, playing this style is about keeping defense off the field, as healthy as possible, beating up an opponents' defense, and maintaining possession.  When it works, it's good.  When it doesn't (because the enemy always has a say) then the offense has to score a lot of points.  

[BillsFan130]

22 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

If you don’t like how the bills have played offense under Joe Brady go back and watch the game vs Denver in 2023.

 

if that doesn’t make you have a eureka moment I don’t know what will make you see the light.  The bills are a run first team and built an excellent roster to run with.

 

they have won like 90% of the game since Brady has been the oc and they have embraced this philosophy.  Do you like gaudy offensive statistics or wins?

Haha I'm not comparing Joe Brady to Ken Dorsey lol.

 

Joe Brady overall is a pretty good OC and I've never said he's bad. 

 

But he can be extremely frustrating at times, and I think he leaves a lot of meat on the bone with this passing offence.

 

Against the jets you can get away with it, but it took a superman performance from Josh last week to bail out his conservative play calling against Baltimore. 

33 minutes ago, Ayjent said:

Because its what makes a 7.5 point favorite have a 20pt victory.  They know they can unleash the passing game if they need to, they just didn't really need to.  Running shortened the game, rested the Bills D and wore down the Jets D.  And when people say this team is only Josh Allen on Offense this game says much differently.  They could have probably won this game by the same margin with Mitchapalooza.

The bills 20 pt victory had little to do with the offence yesterday, outside of a few incredible James cook runs. It was the defence who was dominant and stole the show

[Coach Tuesday]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think he has done a good job. I think the lack of explosives in the pass game is about receiver separation (or lack thereof) deep. Last night the offensive line really struggled pass protecting early too and so they went run heavy in large part to back the Jets rush off IMO and it worked. Now are there still plays where I think they get too conservative from time to time? Yep. But overall I think he is doing a really good job. 

 

The one thing they HAVE to fix between him and Josh is the alerts. We are alerting into run plays that go nowhere way too often. Sometimes we seem to be alerting and then running against looks that do not look conducive to success. I think it is just a bit about him and Josh going back and looking at what the principles of our process are for when we alert and what we get into. 

 

That is my one gripe so far. On and too much Ray Davis. Who is kinda meh.

 

We scored 30 and basically stopped trying for the last 3 drives. 

Not sure what Davis’s problem is - he never had great vision but he did have some burst last year and it seems to be gone.  He is running in quicksand out there.  Might be time to sub Gore in for a game or two and see if there’s more juice there.

[Big Turk]

I think when we can simply mash another team into the ground, Brady is happy to keep pressing the easy button and keep Allen healthy for when we actually need him.

[MJS]

The Bills are finding ways to produce on offense that doesn't require Allen to be a superhero every game and fans complain. Remember when you were complaining that Allen has no help and has to do everything himself? And the offense is still putting up tons of points.

 

I swear there is no appeasing some fans...

[BuffaloRebound]

Hard to complain about Brady and the offense.  Please stop throwing downfield to Knox though.  He’s fine on screens and dump offs, but otherwise his hands are drive killers.  And even when Cook is gashing a team, Ray Davis still can’t get you more than 2 yards per carry.  Time to see what Gore can do.  

[Billsfan1972]

Deja vu all over again.

 

As expected an inferior team we don't need to do a lot and the defense looks stout.  

 

My concern with Brady & the Bills in general is that they (mostly the coaching staff) are puffing their chests that they are perfectly fine.  

 

Two long runs (Allen & Cook) and otherwise pretty predictable.  Didn't like many of the runs and pass plays until later in the game.  Also a few drops and I thought it was a little sloppy for the most part.

 

I'm always worried about complacency with this team.

[dorquemada]

We've played 2 good defenses and are averaging 36 points, that's a winning formula, especially with KC seemingly falling apart.  Allen has a bunch of guys that can catch the ball. My wife asked yesterday why we were seeing as much Shakir, my first thought was because they probably had Sauce on him most of the game, which I have no idea if that's true, but the larger point is that if Shakir is ostensibly our best receiver, he'll get the top coverage, but on any given play Allen's got at least 3 other guys that can catch the ball including the #3 TE.  Is this moneyball?

[gonzo1105]

7 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I admit I was a little harsh on the rest of the offense.  But if you take away Josh and replace him with an average starter, this O isn't elite.  

 

The O Line is good.  But Josh's pocket presence and evasiveness plusses up their pass-pro stats.  

 

And Cook is good.  But the fact that defenses are far more focused on Josh opens things up for Jimbo.  

You can say this about every team in the NFL. Well if you take away the elite QB and replace him with a non elite QB the offense would be less elite. 
 

McDermott and Beane would have been fired a long ago if it wasn’t for Allen and you can say that about every other coach in the NFL 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, Ayjent said:

Because its what makes a 7.5 point favorite have a 20pt victory.  They know they can unleash the passing game if they need to, they just didn't really need to.  Running shortened the game, rested the Bills D and wore down the Jets D.  And when people say this team is only Josh Allen on Offense this game says much differently.  They could have probably won this game by the same margin with Mitchapalooza.

 

I think winning the turnover battle and controlling TOP results in more wins vs. passing more.  

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

Haha I'm not comparing Joe Brady to Ken Dorsey lol.

 

Joe Brady overall is a pretty good OC and I've never said he's bad. 

 

But he can be extremely frustrating at times, and I think he leaves a lot of meat on the bone with this passing offence.

 

Against the jets you can get away with it, but it took a superman performance from Josh last week to bail out his conservative play calling against Baltimore. 

The bills 20 pt victory had little to do with the offence yesterday, outside of a few incredible James cook runs. It was the defence who was dominant and stole the show

 

The 403 yards would have been a top 3 average yardage total in the NFL last year.  30 PPG would also be a top 3 average. 

 

The defense played lights out, negative plays, snagged a turnover.  Love to see it.  But the offense grinded this one to a halt and in the 2nd half the D really didn't have to do much.  

[BillsFan130]

9 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

I think winning the turnover battle and controlling TOP results in more wins vs. passing more.  

 

The 403 yards would have been a top 3 average yardage total in the NFL last year.  30 PPG would also be a top 3 average. 

 

The defense played lights out, negative plays, snagged a turnover.  Love to see it.  But the offense grinded this one to a halt and in the 2nd half the D really didn't have to do much.  

Ya for sure I'm not faulting how they played it in the 2nd half as I totally get being conservative with the score.

 

My biggest issue was the offence in the first quarter or so. Thought they were too conservative once again and just looked off. 
 

The 403 yards and 30 points are a bit skewed mind you. When your defence is giving you 3 and outs all day long and a turnover on the 20 yard line, it's of course going to give the offence a ton of more chances to rack up yards and points.

Edited September 15 by BillsFan130

[T master]

12 hours ago, dayman said:

We’re scoring points, so I can’t complain too much—but doesn’t it feel like we have a lot of predictable 2nd-down runs that go nowhere and start slow? Came back strong vs. the Ravens, but it’d be nice to open things up earlier. Against the Jets it didn’t matter, but I’m still waiting to see more schemed explosive plays in the passing game, especially early. Similar issues as last year. What do you guys think?

Well we ahve to remember Josh is still developing chemistry with the new players they acquired this season and each game there seems to be another one of them entering the scheme or being utilized and Josh finding them so as more time goes on I think we will see those more explosive plays as both Josh & Brady get more comfortable with the personal they have .

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Ya for sure I'm not faulting how they played it in the 2nd half as I totally get being conservative with the score.

 

My biggest issue was opening the game. Thought they were too conservative once again and just looked off. 
 

The 403 yards and 30 points are a bit skewed mind you. When your defence is giving you 3 and outs all day long and a turnover on the 20 yard line, it's of course going to give the offence a ton of more chance to rack up yards and points.

 

They scored 20 on their first 4 drives though.  and 30 across 7.  They had the turnover but other than that field position wasn't amazing.  Just long drives.  It probably would've been more of a beat down if knox pulls in a couple of those.  

[JerseyBills]

The gameplan was clearly run heavy and they executed very well 

[Ayjent]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

Haha I'm not comparing Joe Brady to Ken Dorsey lol.

 

Joe Brady overall is a pretty good OC and I've never said he's bad. 

 

But he can be extremely frustrating at times, and I think he leaves a lot of meat on the bone with this passing offence.

 

Against the jets you can get away with it, but it took a superman performance from Josh last week to bail out his conservative play calling against Baltimore. 

The bills 20 pt victory had little to do with the offence yesterday, outside of a few incredible James cook runs. It was the defence who was dominant and stole the show

It had to do with both the offense and defense, it was a team win - the Offense ran the ball well, made plays when it needed them in the passing game, and had over 400 yards.  The D played well and dominated the Jets on the first few drives to set the tone.  So yeah the D played their asses off, and they contributed to the win as much as the O did.  It doesn't have to be either one or the other, it can be both things.

[billsfan89]

I hear what you are saying in that despite the Bills getting a lot of points thus far in weeks 1-2 it feels like they are at times struggling to move the ball and the offense feels "difficult" at times. But I watch some boring Josh Allenless football when other teams play and most NFL offenses are a struggle to watch a lot more so than the Bills. It's rare that a team just has a breezy offensive effort. NFL defenses even ones that aren't elite make it hard to score. 

 

The Bills even before they "turned it on" against the Ravens scored 25 points a pretty healthy number for a game. The Bills against the Jets only scored 3 points on a short field via turnovers they scored 27 on fairly lengthy drives. I do think Brady has to do two things. One is make the in season adjustments to the offense to keep it from stagnating. Two is "save" some of the best stuff for the post season like Andy Reid does.