TJ Sanders Signs - Draft Class Complete!

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

9 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

I side with the players, not the billionaires.. Congrats Mr. Sanders!!

We should not lose sight of the fact that the money allocated to the players comes from a pool of money (cap) that is defined and set each year.  Even though money/salary can be pushed into subsequent years, the owners know the amount of money that they will be committed to pay over a fairly short number of seasons.  The owners are basically negotiating how much of the player's money pool will go to individual players.  Up front bonuses and salary guarantee escrow payments effect their cash flow.  The team owners are mainly negotiating to control their cash flow, their ability to pay and keep a competitive roster, and avoid paying people that can't play well enough to justify the price of their contracts (value).  Some people look at player negotiations as players taking money that would or could be paid to other players.  A big issue for the NFLPA in their next contract will be the salary disparity between the highest paid players and all the others.  Stars will always be highly paid but there may eventually be a limit on how much of the cap can go to the top guys.  The NFLPA will first try to address this disparity by trying to increase their piece of the revenue.  The owners would likely force things toward a strike before they cave.  In the end, a negotiated pay scale with higher league minimums is likely because players with their short career timeline will not want to lose earnings.  From my perspective the people with the most to gain with the least amount on the line are the player agents.  They really overly benefit from their parasitic relationship with the players.

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

I think Walker may end up being the most dominant of the bunch but how awesome would this DL be if both became legit?

[Ben]

People are sleeping on Walker, he was talked about as a top 20 pick after the 23 season. If his back is healthy he could be a monster.

[26TrapDraw]

12 hours ago, ganesh said:

The Bills have been fairly lucky...though none of them have turned into a super star (yet).

 

2024 -  Coleman 

2023 -  Torrence 

2022 -  Cook 

2021. -  Boogie Basham

2020 -  Epenesa 

2019 -  Cody Ford 

2018 -  No pick

2017 -  Zay Jones  and Deion Dawkins

 

 

I think Deion Dawkins is an absolute superstar LT there's not many better. Cook can be elite at times as well.

[chris heff]

1 hour ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

We should not lose sight of the fact that the money allocated to the players comes from a pool of money (cap) that is defined and set each year.  Even though money/salary can be pushed into subsequent years, the owners know the amount of money that they will be committed to pay over a fairly short number of seasons.  The owners are basically negotiating how much of the player's money pool will go to individual players.  Up front bonuses and salary guarantee escrow payments effect their cash flow.  The team owners are mainly negotiating to control their cash flow, their ability to pay and keep a competitive roster, and avoid paying people that can't play well enough to justify the price of their contracts (value).  Some people look at player negotiations as players taking money that would or could be paid to other players.  A big issue for the NFLPA in their next contract will be the salary disparity between the highest paid players and all the others.  Stars will always be highly paid but there may eventually be a limit on how much of the cap can go to the top guys.  The NFLPA will first try to address this disparity by trying to increase their piece of the revenue.  The owners would likely force things toward a strike before they cave.  In the end, a negotiated pay scale with higher league minimums is likely because players with their short career timeline will not want to lose earnings.  From my perspective the people with the most to gain with the least amount on the line are the player agents.  They really overly benefit from their parasitic relationship with the players.

As much as Lamar Jackson was vilified for not having an agent, he was right. Especially with rookie contracts, if not all, pay a lawyer. Pay a fee, not a percentage of the whole contract.

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

Great news!

 

In my view, he may be the star of this draft for the Bills, with Hairston.

 

Now just one more contract to get done before training camp... and coming soon. 

I think everyone's signed through this year unless I'm missing someone.

[BuffaloMatt]

14 hours ago, ganesh said:

The Bills have been fairly lucky...though none of them have turned into a super star (yet).

 

2024 -  Coleman 

2023 -  Torrence 

2022 -  Cook 

2021. -  Boogie Basham

2020 -  Epenesa 

2019 -  Cody Ford 

2018 -  No pick

2017 -  Zay Jones  and Deion Dawkins

 

 

Hated the Boogie pick. See what I did there!

[The Jokeman]

Just now, BuffaloMatt said:

Hated the Boogie pick. See what I did there!

Yeah you Bashed him. 

[aristocrat]

Thank god. Super Bowl back on

[Special K]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

I think everyone's signed through this year unless I'm missing someone.

 

I would assume he's talking about a Cook extension as the "one more contract to get done"........

[Steptide]

A fully gaurenteed (or almost) contract for a 2nd rounder seems insane to me, but guess that's buisness 

[Buffalo716]

16 hours ago, Special K said:

Almost fully guaranteed...... guess this will be the new standard going forward.....

Keon Coleman got a higher percentage guaranteed last year 

 

10,074,258 deal for Coleman 

9,640,505 guaranteed 

 

He's only 430,000 off total guarantee 

 

Sanders is 600,000 off

2 minutes ago, Steptide said:

A fully gaurenteed (or almost) contract for a 2nd rounder seems insane to me, but guess that's buisness 

Keon Coleman got a higher percentage of his contract guaranteed last year

[BillsShredder83]

3 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I hate it and love it.  I don't like 2nd rounders having guaranteed contracts, it wasn't collectively bargained. That said I love he is in the fold, I see this kid having a HUGE impact for us this year.

Honestly this will move in such a uniformed way across the league (well 31/32; looking at you Cinci), that there wont be any competitive advantage to how we handle it. We'll follow the market... and if thats the case, then I say good for the players.  Its easy to point to the successful players' contracts in the NFL and say "what you werent making enough before?".  However the average NFL lifespan is something like ~3.5 years'ish.  Those juicy contracts are the exception, not the rule.  CTE is very real, and a serious risk; but how about the lesser extreme more common risks the average player sees?  Loss of mobility, loss of cognitive function. Missing out on their young kids early development with a busy schedule/traveling. Joint pain.  I'm the last guy to feel bad for these guys, but they EARN it a lot more than we'll ever fully know & see.

 

For the homies that are out in 2-3 years; they'll have a helluva head start in life if theyre smart with the money.  Dropping even $500k-$1m by the age of 25 into a retirement account will really jump start a retirement investment!!!  Most of these owners do this for the LOLZ along the way.  While the players certainly do some of that too, their high income years (in the NFL) are so short that it can really mean a lot to them and their families.

[Captain_Quint]

10 hours ago, eball said:

 

I bet you’re fun at parties!

 

[ngbills]

Beane is a wizard

[Shaw66]

10 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But of the 5 that have reached "2nd contract" point it's 3/5 that have not made it.

Do you know the league average for guys getting the second contract?  And actually, it's 3/6, since Cook is certainly second contract worthy. The question with Cook isn't whether he should be kept; the question is whether he and the Bills can agree on a price. 

 

I'd think a 50% yield on second rounders is not bad.  Not great, but not bad. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

Beane is a wizard

[GunnerBill]

37 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Do you know the league average for guys getting the second contract?  And actually, it's 3/6, since Cook is certainly second contract worthy. The question with Cook isn't whether he should be kept; the question is whether he and the Bills can agree on a price. 

 

I'd think a 50% yield on second rounders is not bad.  Not great, but not bad. 

 

And as pointed about above it is how many reach the end of their rookie deal, not how many sign a second deal. So agree Cook should could and it is 3/6. 

 

I didn't say it was bad. I know it is better than average. 

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And as pointed about above it is how many reach the end of their rookie deal, not how many sign a second deal. So agree Cook should could and it is 3/6. 

 

I didn't say it was bad. I know it is better than average. 

I know you didn't say it was bad.  Interesting that you think 50% is better than average.  I don't know at all, but I'd like to get starters on more than 50% of second rounders. 

[PromoTheRobot]

9 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Two other 2nd rounders already got guaranteed contracts.  It wouldn't have broken precedence. 

 

It's not just what round but what pick number or slot. Now precedent is picks #33 and #34 are fully guaranteed. Next year #35 may end up guaranteed. And so it goes