Brandon Beane on WGR

[nosejob]

12 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Disagree it actually favors Beane even more showing these clowns had no idea what they were talking about in terms of not drafting a WR.  Beane was in contact for a while with Moore, showing he didn’t feel he had to reach in the draft and had post draft options if a WR didn’t happen early in the draft.  
 

Not to mention, these fools were clamoring for someone other than a depth WR like Moore too.

They've been on the WR train for a while. They cried for Zay Flowers nonstop for one example.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

[TheFunPolice]

I've noticed that Beane has a different demeanor on the national shows than WGR. 

 

Probably, there's a little bit of "you guys are small potatoes AND you're going to criticize me?" going on. There's been some criticism nationally as well about asking Allen to do too much, but those guys have way bigger platforms and frankly mean more in the national sports conversation. National guys are also more measured and less repetitive about it.

 

I will say McDermott seems the same everywhere. He's exactly the same person whether he is on local media, national media, or you bump into him at Wegmans. 

 

That's not a criticism of Beane. I think I would be annoyed at the amateur hour level of questions he gets from WGR too. It's one thing to politely go on and put up with being asked unimaginative NFL 100 level questions, but it would be another entirely to have to listen to constant criticism from the same people whose idea of a probing question is "so, did you think of drafting a WR?" 

 

I think it honestly comes from the reality that a lot of local guys on radio have a schtick. They play a character to stand out. Everyone has a personality, that's not what I mean. I mean a persona that they seem to artificially cultivate or lean into, instead of just being a guy or gal on the radio who talks sports and has something interesting to say OR at the very least acts like a professional broadcaster. 

Edited Thursday at 02:02 PM by TheFunPolice

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Not sure if this has been posted about Cook 

 

Bills GM slams door on Cowboys dream of a James Cook trade

 

No doubt the Dallas Cowboys would love to acquire the two-time Pro Bowler, who is currently not participating in the team’s voluntary workouts and would like a new deal (via Michael David Smith of Pro Football Talk).

 

There’s been speculation that Cook could be had, but on Tuesday Bills’ general manager Brandon Beane (in an interview with The Pat McAfee Show ) made it clear that his talented running back isn’t going anywhere this season. “He will be here this year and hopefully beyond,” stated the Bills’ executive. “We love James and we would love nothing more than to keep him here longer term"

 

https://share.newsbreak.com/cvihoy4w

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

30 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

“He will be here this year and hopefully beyond,” stated the Bills’ executive. “We love James and we would love nothing more than to keep him here longer term"

 

 

"Flash!  After a contentious hold out from Spring 2025 team activities, James Cook and Brandon Beane ink a new contract that puts Cook among the highest paid RBs in the NFL."

🤔

[Nelius]

A veteran isn’t a draft pick, so advantage Beane.
 

Got to say the smug retorts by the likes of “Bulldog” make me even more of a fan of Beane’s response if this must devolve into a Beane vs WGR decision. I don’t think I’ve heard Bulldog do anything more than hate his job and spit on his microphone in like a decade.

[Big Blitz]

Both.  The answer is both can be true.  
 

 

And it the last 7 years - 8 if you want to include the Tyrod playoff team.  

[Einstein]

19 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

My stance is that it is not unreasonable to think players can improve with more time in the league.  

 

I agree (in general).

 

But here is the question specific to Coleman; What traits does he have that makes you feel he will improve?

His major limiting factor is not improveable: Speed.

 

And McD/Beane separately and openly questioned his worth ethic. 

 

I think he is going to flash here or there, keeping fans clinging to hope, but never fully materialize.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Both.  The answer is both can be true.  
 

 

And it the last 7 years - 8 if you want to include the Tyrod playoff team.  

Audacy VIP: "Get on the air today, and kiss the Bills behind!  We better not lose those broadcast rights!"

Jeremy: "Sir, yes sir!"

Sneaky Joe: "Buh-dee, buh-dee!"

Edited Thursday at 04:17 PM by Ridgewaycynic2013

[MrEpsYtown]

14 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I agree (in general).

 

But here is the question specific to Coleman; What traits does he have that makes you feel he will improve?

His major limiting factor is not improveable: Speed.

 

And McD/Beane separately and openly questioned his worth ethic. 

 

I think he is going to flash here or there, keeping fans clinging to hope, but never fully materialize.

 

I would say his size and athleticism are interesting traits he has. He doesn't really know how to access them well and hopefully he can tap into those things. You are right that his speed isn't improveable, but the speed at which he plays the game is. He needs to work on his releases, footwork in and out of breaks, and his timing. 

 

Coleman reminds me of Josh a bit. He's risk reward. The elephant in the room with Josh was that you can't improve accuracy, but he did it with a bunch of tweaks to his process and finding the right coaches. While Coleman will likely never run a faster forty, there are a ton of things he can do to improve his game. The questions to me are 1. Is he going to find the right coaching to fix him? and 2. Is he willing to put in the work to do so? If he just tries to live off his athletic ability, he will never amount to anything. 

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

But here is the question specific to Coleman; What traits does he have that makes you feel he will improve?

 

Body control and size. The upside with him is he becomes a player that can consistently box out defenders to create leverage and then contort for the ball in the air. His best case scenario profile was never Stefon Diggs, it's Brandon Marshall. Obviously he has a long way to go to hit that ceiling.

[Royale with Cheese]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

I agree (in general).

 

But here is the question specific to Coleman; What traits does he have that makes you feel he will improve?

His major limiting factor is not improveable: Speed.

 

And McD/Beane separately and openly questioned his worth ethic. 

 

I think he is going to flash here or there, keeping fans clinging to hope, but never fully materialize.

 

He's going to have to learn better hand fighting.  Too many times last year the DB got their hands on him early to break up his timing.

He's not going to beat them with quickness or speed so he's going to have out physical them....which he wasn't consistent with and then almost nothing after the injury.  

 

I think maturity is another thing.

 

If he doesn't improve on those, he will be a Gabe Davis level production type guy.

[gomper]

2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Audacy VIP: "Get on the air today, and kiss the Bills behind!  We better not lose those broadcast rights!"

Jeremy: "Sir, yes sir!"

Sneaky Joe: "Buh-dee, buh-dee!"

I was thinking about this too. Idk when the broadcasting rights expire, but it wouldn't shock me if they took the Bills and Sabres somewhere else. It's kinda embarrassing to associated with such a horrible station. 

[Cash]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea if Beane had come in saying "guys look, I know you have been talking a lot about receiver this morning but honestly I'd love to have drafted one but I stuck the board and went in other spots and I feel good about what we have" then no issue. It was the "this is 2018", "let me speak" and "you guys wanna play fantasy football" that was the issue. I have no problem at all with him pushing back on the receiver narrative some. But he came in unnecessarily hot and actually I think if you listened to the full show as I did Jeremy and Joe had actually given quite a lot of credit for the defense moves and their conversation about receiver was a broader one about prioritisation of them, salary cap strategy, and how you factor that into draft value. 

 

Equally I actually thought Jeremy responded pretty well but then his closing after Beane had finished the call of "we are not playing fantasy football, we are smarter than that, and we are not here to be belittled" was equally unnecessary and petty. I've been there. I got the famous Sir Alex Ferguson hairdryer treatment back in 2005 when interviewing him because I asked a question he didn't like. You just have to keep your cool.

 

This is pretty much my take as well.  Beane definitely came in hot, and that's not a good look for an NFL GM.  And it was very out of character for him, which is notable.  I'm sure he regrets getting angry on the air, but ultimately if he'd stayed calm the core message wouldn't have changed.  (Just the tone and phrasing.)

 

On the DJ side, they were obviously very surpised that Beane came in hot - which makes sense because again, that's very out of character for Beane.  I initially gave them somewhat of a pass on the "he chose violence" talk afterwards, because while it came across as whiny and thin-skinned, it was in the moment.  But apparently they kept milking that angle for a couple days after?  If so, that's bush league.

 

I will say that all parties did a good job of defusing the situation and eventually getting to a place of productive conversation.

[Buffalo716]

7 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

I agree (in general).

 

But here is the question specific to Coleman; What traits does he have that makes you feel he will improve?

His major limiting factor is not improveable: Speed.

 

And McD/Beane separately and openly questioned his worth ethic. 

 

I think he is going to flash here or there, keeping fans clinging to hope, but never fully materialize.

You're never going to go from a 4.5 to a 4.3 in the pros but you can definitely shave a few hundreds of a second off .. you can absolutely improve your burst and acceleration and some top speed

 

I was at a high school football camp over a decade ago where DK was running in the 4.6s... 3 years later after ole Miss he was 4.3s

Edited Thursday at 11:29 PM by Buffalo716

[MasterStrategist]

5 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Body control and size. The upside with him is he becomes a player that can consistently box out defenders to create leverage and then contort for the ball in the air. His best case scenario profile was never Stefon Diggs, it's Brandon Marshall. Obviously he has a long way to go to hit that ceiling.

I'd add strength at the catch point, to your list above, and strength playing through DB contact.

 

Based on what I've seen, that will show itself at camp immediately.  That and more quickness/explosiveness in his route "breaks".

 

To my first point above, I saw him progressing nicely on that, then he got hurt and after his injury, he lost all that physicality.  That's going to be how he wins.

 

You said it last pre draft, and I agreed with it, that some players separate due to speed and/or route running ability.  Coleman will separate with physicality through DB contact and through his breaks.

 

Can't wait for camp.  This is going to be another Cook year 1 to year 2, type of progression.

Edited Thursday at 11:43 PM by MasterStrategist

[BringBackFergy]

😂

Yeah. WR is a huge factor in winning Superbowls. 
 

(Saquon as a RB, yes). But look at these other teams ranked last year. 
 

C’mon man. 
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2024-receiving-corps-rankings-bears-texans

 

Edit: Link

Edited Thursday at 11:47 PM by BringBackFergy

[Dr. Who]

4 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

I'd add strength at the catch point, to your list above, and strength playing through DB contact.

 

Based on what I've seen, that will show itself at camp immediately.  That and more quickness/explosiveness in his route "breaks".

 

To my first point above, I saw him progressing nicely on that, then he got hurt and after his injury, he lost all that physicality.  That's going to be how he wins.

 

You said it last pre draft, and I agreed with it, that some players separate due to speed and/or route running ability.  Coleman will separate with physicality through DB contact and through his breaks.

 

Can't wait for camp.  This is going to be another Cook year 1 to year 2, type of progression.

I sure hope this turns out to be true. 

[Turbo44]

5 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Body control and size. The upside with him is he becomes a player that can consistently box out defenders to create leverage and then contort for the ball in the air. His best case scenario profile was never Stefon Diggs, it's Brandon Marshall. Obviously he has a long way to go to hit that ceiling.

Coleman was just a mistake. You don’t take a wr with 4.58 speed who couldn’t separate in college at #33. You take Ladd McConkey all day every day and I was adamant about that pre draft last year. Imagine this team with Ladd on it?  Coleman, I think will turn out okay/decent but pick 33 had much better options. I also loved Franklin for later in the draft and I didn’t really follow him - I think he was just okay??

[Einstein]

34 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

You're never going to go from a 4.5 to a 4.3 in the pros but you can definitely shave a few hundreds of a second off .. you can absolutely improve your burst and acceleration and some top speed

 

I was at a high school football camp over a decade ago where DK was running in the 4.6s... 3 years later after ole Miss he was 4.3s

 

Can he shave 10ths off? Because the kid is slow as molasses.

 

2 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

Coleman was just a mistake. You don’t take a wr with 4.58 speed who couldn’t separate in college at #33. 

 

He plays slower than his 40 time too … imo.