dave mcbride Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) 6 minutes ago, SCBills said: Xavier Worthy at 28 and Javon Baker on Day 2 would completely revamp our WR room. Will we double dip? Doubt it, but we'd have a YAC monster in the slot with Samuel, inside/outside flex with Shakir, speed outside in Worthy and a big body outside recevier in Baker. Locked up for: 2 years Shakir 3 years Samuel 4 years Baker 5 years Worthy We have an extra second next year that I think we should use to move up in the second to get that second boundary receiver assuming we go Worthy at 28. Coleman, Baker ... both can fit that role and for all the worries about Coleman's speed, it's probably OK when you're running him other alongside blazers like Worthy (4.21) and Curtis Samuel (4.31). Plus Shakir has excellent quicks. Interesting thing about Samuel: he has not played with a good QB since the first half of the 2018 season (Cam Newton got hurt mid-season that year and was never the same). He's played with trash ever since. Edited April 25 by dave mcbride 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 2 minutes ago, BigDingus said: I agree, unless we're talking a small trade up just a handful of places. But definitely not worth the cost to jump from the end of the Draft all the way up into the top 10. The more I read about how the draft pick value chart came to be, the more broken it seems. It was meant as a snapshot reflecting trades up until that point. But despite how much has changed, teams strated treating it as gospel. This makes things so much more lopsided in favor of teams that trade back than those trading up. If it's for a QB, it's at least understandable. I agree, but I think what you describe is the reality of the NFL. In terms of talent, the winning formula is to get a great QB and then fill up the roster with good football players. If you're doing the job right, you add a few studs to the lineup, but it almost doesn't matter what position those studs play. On the Chiefs, they have Kelce and Jones. On another team, it can be guys at other positions. Since I don't think it makes sense to make a big trade up into the top 10 for anyone other than a QB, it seems to me that that makes a trade back from 28 the smart move. Once you have your QB, the object is to get as many good football players possible, and if a trade back from 28 can get you a second- and a third-round pick, well, two opportunities at a good football player is better than one. You need some studs, for sure, but I think it's a mistake to chase after them. Diggs fell to the Bills easily enough, and Miller did, too. Eventually a guy they draft will emerge, too. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) Harrison Jr Nabers Odunze Thomas Jr Mitchell Franklin I'll be disappointed if it isn't one of these guys and the odds are that only 2 or 3 of them will be hits. That's the risk. *Still holding on to hope of a Justin Jefferson trade Edited April 25 by Chicken Boo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineforty Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 give me the best offensive linemen available! [ducks] 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 (edited) 2 hours ago, SCBills said: The thing that I can't wrap my head around is the development of Championship DNA. And maybe that just comes with winning, and we have to get over the hump to do so. McDermott owns 13 seconds. I don't who to blame for CIN.. that just seems like an absolute mess all around leading into that game. Then this year.. injury luck. EVERY. YEAR. KC stays healthy at key positions and we either have big injuries or a depleted roster. KC's WR room.. which couldn't catch a cold all year, played great against us.. and pretty much everyone in the postseason. Conversely, we had to rely on Sherfield due to injury (Beane to blame for WR issues) and he clearly did not step up to the moment. And Diggs.. supposed to be our guy to offset Kelce. And he gets clamped, fumbles, drops passes. Playoff non-factor in big games year in/year out. And alright, those two are gone. Who's our Jones? Maybe Oliver?... Oliver dominated the Steelers in the WC Game, but then got owned by KC. What's it going to take to get people to elevate with Josh Allen when it matters? This is really good. The last sentence particularly. The Bills need a couple of players to rise up and make big plays at the right times. We hoped Diggs would be that guy, and we hoped Miller would be. Miller still has a chance. I don't see Oliver or Rousseau being the guys. They make good plays, but they aren't big play guys. Frankly, I think the guy may be Milano and Bernard together. McDermott's defenses dominated from the linebacker position. One linebacker alone can't dominate, but two can. That's what McDermott had in Carolina. The thing that bothers me most about McBeane is that they love the very good guys who are steady. That's Oliver and Rousseau. I think they need to have at least a guy or two who make such good plays that you're willing to have them be just average some of the time. Not disappear, but be just average. Edited April 25 by Shaw66 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 30 minutes ago, Logic said: Disagree. You talk about him like he wasn't actually a good college football player. He was a freshman breakout and posted three years of good production at Texas. But honestly...I don't want to spend the second best day of the football year arguing about any prospects. I've done enough of that the past few months. Today is a day for joy and pizza and booing Roger Goodell. We'll stick with "agree to disagree" on Worthy, and we can check back in with each other as his NFL career goes along. I have to agree with Alpha here. If you watch Worthy's highlights, he isn't really separating from the CB very much. It's not like Tyreek Hill where he just blazes past guys. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LLCoolCy Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 18 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Worthy probably doesn’t make it to pick 28. I think Worthy or Thomas are the pick if we stay at 28. If they’re both gone, it means Nix/Penix or one of the OT’s are still available at 28 and we trade back. 2 bites of the apple draft theory. AD, Ladd, Leggett, Coleman, etc are in the same tear talented but each with a different flaw for me that dropping down to 45ish a couple WRs will be there pick up another 3rd and then use that on another WR to compliment the 1st pick. Like a Coleman paired with Burton. I have seen 4 separate mocks released in the past 24 hrs with BTJr dropping to 28 and Buffalo Being the auto pic. Too much group think to actually happen but guessing the medical reg flag and are pushing Worthy to WR 4 (Indy getting the buzz at 15). I can't see Beane being patient enough if Tomas Jr drops in the 20's to not trade up and secure the WR even if the mocks think it will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtnatefootball11 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 9 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Harrison Jr Nabers Odunze Thomas Jr Mitchell Franklin I'll be disappointed if it isn't one of these guys and the odds are that only 2 or 3 of them will be hits. That's the risk. *Still holding on to hope of a Justin Jefferson trade I would add Mcconkey and Leggette in there just ahead of Franklin but otherwise agree with this. If we could get any two from that list in the 1st and 2nd I would be over the moon. Otherwise, one of those and a potential starting safety would be great as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 22 minutes ago, london_bills said: I always think of Marquise Goodwin when is see Worthy Besides the uniform and speed they are not alike. Goodwin never had more than 450 receiving yards in any of his for years. The combine speed list is a list of track of track guys that had little college production or at best 1 year. Worthy has been productive since his freshman year. On an offense with multiple top 100 picks Worthy was the guy. If he weighed 15 more pounds he would be a top 15 pick. Imo he got leaner than normal because he was chasing the 40 record. I think he will weigh around 175-180 during the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 6 hours ago, Buffalo Ballin said: I don't see how Marvin Harrison Jr. is just as great as his old man, the OG Marvin Harrison. Shaking my head. I don't get it. I have never seen the son surpassing the father WHEN the father is already top tier. The son would be lucky just to be in the same tier as his dad. I don't care how these scouts and Youtubers are selling MHJ. I rather have Nabers, too. Has there ever been a HOF father and son (other than Lebron and Bronnie James of course) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Yesterday I was excited that we might be able to obtain Odunze. This morning it's sounds completely different. Draft smoke? who knows? still could happen? What is everyone's take on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 19 minutes ago, jahnyc said: I think selecting Worthy at 28 would be reasonable value if he is available, but I am not seeing anything that suggests that he is or will become a true #1 WR, which, if true, means we would still need to fill that role. I don’t think we need a true #1 WR, and the offense almost works better without having to force targets to one. Allen is pretty good at finding the open guy and putting the ball in his hands. I would be fine with Kincaid and Cook getting the majority of targets. Dink and dunk is the name of the game. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 I mean Peyton Manning was better than Archie (could make a case for Eli too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 20 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Harrison Jr Nabers Odunze Thomas Jr Mitchell Franklin I'll be disappointed if it isn't one of these guys and the odds are that only 2 or 3 of them will be hits. That's the risk. *Still holding on to hope of a Justin Jefferson trade I have the same list but I will add Worthy. Any of those outcomes are good with me. I wasn't down with him at first, but digging deeper he can ball. I would rather have the top 3 or Thomas/Mitchell...but would be good with Franklin/Worthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 5 minutes ago, Mango said: Has there ever been a HOF father and son (other than Lebron and Bronnie James of course) Including other sports: Bobby Hull Brett Hull Gordie Howe Mark Howe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills aPHILLYate Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 If we don't make a move for one of the top 3/4 I just want a duo of very good prospects added to the WR corp in general. We have a lot of options even if we stand pat or move back. We could end up with a Mitchell/Legette/Conkley & Walker combo and I'd be perfectly fine. We will still have future drafts and FA to add more weapons as well, but I want the precedent to be set THIS draft as far as putting effort into maximizing the weapons for Josh in his prime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 10 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: Yesterday I was excited that we might be able to obtain Odunze. This morning it's sounds completely different. Draft smoke? who knows? still could happen? What is everyone's take on this? How so? I haven’t seen anything that supports this. Still seeing odunze as a possibility. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 FWIW he has us trading to 4 to take Harrison Jr. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Would you be mad if it’s 1130 pm and the Bills trade their 1st for multiple day 2 picks? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 3 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: Including other sports: Bobby Hull Brett Hull Gordie Howe Mark Howe Mark Howe in the HOF is surprising to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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