Special K Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) I believe he has 2 years and 35 million left on his current contract......if Seattle eats some of that contract in the way the Bills did with Diggs, could a trade for Metcalf be possible? How about a 2nd and 4th this year plus a conditional 2nd that could become a 1st next year for Metcalf and Seattle's 3rd rounder this year. This would still leave the Bills with the ability to draft a WR at 28.....they could go with a smaller speed-type receiver like Xavier Worthy to compliment Metcalf at WR2. An offense of Metcalf, Worthy, Samuel, Shakir, Kincaid, Knox, and Cook would surpass anything any other AFC offense could put on the field!! Lets go, Beane!! Edited April 5 by Special K 1 1 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Not really.........probablyh not impossible with an extension but I really think they will want to find a guy in the draft and maybe try to find a lower priced vet via FA or trade after the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 I'm sure Seattle would take that deal. That's too much to spend on Metcalf when he would need a new contract. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted April 5 Author Share Posted April 5 3 minutes ago, Bruffalo said: I'm sure Seattle would take that deal. That's too much to spend on Metcalf when he would need a new contract. I was thinking the conditional pick would hinge on whether he signed long term or not, and the fact that Seattle would eat some of the contract to fit him under the salary cap this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 This is the guy to get. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 If only we took DK instead of Cody Ford in 2019. Seemed like such an obvious choice back then. Would not have had to move up either. 6 1 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CA OC Bills Fan Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Not sure what you mean by "if Seattle eats some of that contract in the way the Bills did with Diggs". Buffalo didn't "eat" Diggs' contract, it's just the way the salary cap works where a signing bonus is paid up front but is amortized over the course of the contract. When a player is traded, what's left of the amortization immediately goes against the cap. This is the first time I've looked at overthecap, but I think I understand it. Metcalf would have a base salary of around $13 million this year and $18 million next year. Seattle would have a dead cap hit of $15 million / $7.5 million this year / next year. Unless they really want to get rid of him, I doubt they'd want to do that. But, I didn't think the Bills would have wanted to take the big hit they did for Diggs, so, what do I know. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) DK and one of Legette/Worthy/Mitchell outside with Shakir, Samuel, Cook and Kincaid working underneath. No one is stopping that. Edited April 5 by SCBills 2 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Are there reports Seattle wants to move him? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 27 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said: If only we took DK instead of Cody Ford in 2019. Seemed like such an obvious choice back then. Would not have had to move up either. I'll refrain from being the guy who said he told everyone so Best we just rectify the multiple errors of 2019 by bringing the man here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 5 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: I'll refrain from being the guy who said he told everyone so Best we just rectify the multiple errors of 2019 by bringing the man here. I distinctly remember. You were the only one. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Just now, stinky finger said: I distinctly remember. You were the only one. It may have been my one and only correct draft take, maybe ever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Seattle is up against the cap but would actually gain $1m in cap space by trading Metcalf. It’s a new coach, so wouldn’t surprise me if they’d move Metcalf for some premium draft picks. Plus Metcalf probably wants new contract as he’s outplayed his current one. Next years 1st plus swap of 2024 2nd for their 2024 3rd plus one of our 4th’s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 4 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: It may have been my one and only correct draft take, maybe ever Like a blind one of these 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 81 targets for 45 catches, 746 yards, 7 TDS, 56% catch rate and 9.2 yards per target 119 targets for 66 catches, 1114 yards, 8 TDS, 56% catch rate and 9.4 yards per target That’s Gabe and DK. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 2 minutes ago, Billl said: 81 targets for 45 catches, 746 yards, 7 TDS, 56% catch rate and 9.2 yards per target 119 targets for 66 catches, 1114 yards, 8 TDS, 56% catch rate and 9.4 yards per target That’s Gabe and DK. That’s all I needed to see…. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 5 minutes ago, Billl said: 81 targets for 45 catches, 746 yards, 7 TDS, 56% catch rate and 9.2 yards per target 119 targets for 66 catches, 1114 yards, 8 TDS, 56% catch rate and 9.4 yards per target That’s Gabe and DK. Are we seriously comparing Gabe Davis and DK Metcalf? What would Gabe’s numbers have been with Geno Smith and Drew Lock throwing him the ball? 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 DK Metcalf. Justin Jefferson. Brandon Aiyuk. Tee Higgins… Cant see us trading for any of those guys given the $ value that will be attached. Especially after absorbing all that dead money from Stefon. Drafting WRs is the solution, sorry to break it to you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 10 minutes ago, Billl said: 81 targets for 45 catches, 746 yards, 7 TDS, 56% catch rate and 9.2 yards per target 119 targets for 66 catches, 1114 yards, 8 TDS, 56% catch rate and 9.4 yards per target That’s Gabe and DK. yeah - this tells the true story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said: Are we seriously comparing Gabe Davis and DK Metcalf? What would Gabe’s numbers have been with Geno Smith and Drew Lock throwing him the ball? Not sure why it’s so hard to figure out given that it’s been proven out for years, but number 1 WRs get their numbers regardless of who the QB is. Adams and Hill went from Rodgers and Mahomes to Carr and Tua and their numbers didn’t regress whatsoever. DK is better than Gabe, but they’re a lot closer than people here realize. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 13 minutes ago, Billl said: 81 targets for 45 catches, 746 yards, 7 TDS, 56% catch rate and 9.2 yards per target 119 targets for 66 catches, 1114 yards, 8 TDS, 56% catch rate and 9.4 yards per target That’s Gabe and DK. He is somewhat living off of his 2020 season still, which was close to elite. But his yards per target over the last 4 years is actually higher than Diggs 4 years here in Buffalo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Is Seattle in cap trouble? Why would they be looking to trade him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) If this happens, I want credit! It was my idea first! COPYRIGHT VIOLATION! 🤣 Although in my crazed proposal we get pick 16 as well for BTJ Edited April 5 by Warriorspikes51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 5 minutes ago, Process said: Is Seattle in cap trouble? Why would they be looking to trade him? Because they can get multiple picks for him and there is a chance he is Gave Davis with the exception of one great season that Gabe never had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 9 minutes ago, Process said: Is Seattle in cap trouble? Why would they be looking to trade him? New regime, they may want to "start over" there were some rumors last year about DK being available for a 1st No idea if they'd seriously consider moving him....but I would make a call if I'm Beane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 15 minutes ago, BBFL said: DK Metcalf. Justin Jefferson. Brandon Aiyuk. Tee Higgins… Cant see us trading for any of those guys given the $ value that will be attached. Especially after absorbing all that dead money from Stefon. Drafting WRs is the solution, sorry to break it to you. What about DHop? A meager $13M salary. Plus the guy has hands. IMO he is currently better than Diggs. Drafting a WR is necessary. Relying on the rookie WR is risky. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Because they can get multiple picks for him and there is a chance he is Gave Davis with the exception of one great season that Gabe never had. DK >>>> Gabe Far superior QB play here.....give him the targets Diggs gets.... 115 receptions for 1700 yards and 14 TDs Edited April 5 by Warriorspikes51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 11 minutes ago, Billl said: Not sure why it’s so hard to figure out given that it’s been proven out for years, but number 1 WRs get their numbers regardless of who the QB is. Adams and Hill went from Rodgers and Mahomes to Carr and Tua and their numbers didn’t regress whatsoever. DK is better than Gabe, but they’re a lot closer than people here realize. They probably do run similar routes, but I’d argue with Josh throwing him the ball that Metcalf would see a jump in production. Metcalf is faster than Davis and bullies DB’s. You can still throw him the ball when he’s doubled. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: DK >>>> Gabe For their careers, Metcalf has a catch percentage of 60% with 8.6 yards per target. Davis is 55% with 9.1 yards per target. DK produces via volume of targets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) 1 minute ago, Billl said: For their careers, Metcalf has a catch percentage of 60% with 8.6 yards per target. Davis is 55% with 9.1 yards per target. DK produces via volume of targets. Let's put Travis Kelce on the Seahawks and look at his career stats.....hmm I wonder if they'd be just a bit different if Metcalf was put with Mahomes or Allen....he produces at a Top 5 level IMO Edited April 5 by Warriorspikes51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 59 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: I'll refrain from being the guy who said he told everyone so Phew, for a second there i thought you were going to point out that you told us so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said: What about DHop? A meager $13M salary. Plus the guy has hands. IMO he is currently better than Diggs. Drafting a WR is necessary. Relying on the rookie WR is risky. Yeah that would be a solid option. Those guys I was talking about are those marquee guys people are clamoring a trade for who’s salaries are/would be huge. I absolutely agree with you about the risk factor involved but looking back at all the recent drafts there is a plethora of guys who have come in immediately and produced every single year since 2017. 2017 and 2019 have produced some solid guys, just not in the early rounds. 2022 and 2021 had some great players. Solid players who appear to be home runs all throughout the draft. It’s dependent on one thing IMO; the QB. Coaching staff plays their part, sure, but a QB is delivering the on field results. Take the first 10 WRs from years draft; Quentin Johnson, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Zay Flowers, Jordan Addison, Johnathon Mingo, Jayden Reed, Rashee Rice, Marvin Mims, Tank Dell & Jaylin Hyatt. Out of those 10 they all performed to a reasonable standard. The one that comes out on top? Rashee Rice… His QB? The consensus best in the league I honestly think you double dip this year at the position. Josh is talented enough to at least help one of them into something of worth for our team. Edited April 5 by BBFL 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Let's put Travis Kelce on the Seahawks and look at his career stats.....hmm I wonder if they'd be just a bit different History says they would be pretty similar. He was elite with Alex Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Billl said: History says they would be pretty similar. He was elite with Alex Smith. Yeah, you’re right somewhat. But is he having the continued success after Alex Smith; a la Pat Mahomes? He’ll be productive. No doubt. Don’t think he’s coming away with the average of 100 Rec’ / 1238 Yds / 8.6 TDs… That’s a huge average for a WR, let alone a TE. QB and system over 6 years versus the following over 4: 76.8 Rec’ / 975 Yds / 5.5 TDs with Alex Smith. Still elite numbers but not otherworldly like the ones with Mahomes/Reid. QB matters. Edited April 5 by BBFL 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted April 5 Author Share Posted April 5 57 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: If this happens, I want credit! It was my idea first! COPYRIGHT VIOLATION! 🤣 Although in my crazed proposal we get pick 16 as well for BTJ No offense, but you throw a lot of scenarios out there it's hard to keep up!!😋 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: I'll refrain from being the guy who said he told everyone so Best we just rectify the multiple errors of 2019 by bringing the man here. I think there were many, many posters that wanted Metcalf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 2 hours ago, Special K said: I believe he has 2 years and 35 million left on his current contract......if Seattle eats some of that contract in the way the Bills did with Diggs, could a trade for Metcalf be possible? How about a 2nd and 4th this year plus a conditional 2nd that could become a 1st next year for Metcalf and Seattle's 3rd rounder this year. This would still leave the Bills with the ability to draft a WR at 28.....they could go with a smaller speed-type receiver like Xavier Worthy to compliment Metcalf at WR2. An offense of Metcalf, Worthy, Samuel, Shakir, Kincaid, Knox, and Cook would surpass anything any other AFC offense could put on the field!! Lets go, Beane!! I'm not here to poop on trade idea threads. It's reasonable, trade value looks fair or in ball park of fair.... wouldn't hate it If we did it, but prefer if we just draft our own young cheap guys. That compensation gets us at least in ball park of a top 3 wr. Definitely within top 4. Stay cheap, get the humble, juiced up to perform kinda guy over an expensive veteran. Will admit my approach is more of a gamble, higher ceiling, lower floor potential. If BB finds that too risky or impossible.... stay put and let a stacked draft fall your way. Good scenarios where any of the 3 options improves us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 12 minutes ago, Special K said: No offense, but you throw a lot of scenarios out there it's hard to keep up!!😋 we can share the credit😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Mike Thomas anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Wasn’t he a confirmed Top 30 visit his draft year? Beane has a history of tracking guys he wants for years until he’s able to land them never know… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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