HurlyBurly51 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 And the dominoes just keep falling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Another good but not great player that Beane overpaid and we will be in cap jail down the road because of it. Â You just don't give guys like this top money and I'm sure plenty will disagree but it's the big reason why Beane has no young stars on this team. Â He is good and maybe worth 6-7 mllion tops of cap space. Â The guy has benefited playing in McDermott's soft zones 1 1 2 1 3 1 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 5 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Another good but not great player that Beane overpaid and we will be in cap jail down the road because of it. Â You just don't give guys like this top money and I'm sure plenty will disagree but it's the big reason why Beane has no young stars on this team. Â He is good and maybe worth 6-7 mllion tops of cap space. Â The guy has benefited playing in McDermott's soft zones His ability to play in the box line a LB is why we're and to play the D that we do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 13 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Another good but not great player that Beane overpaid and we will be in cap jail down the road because of it. Â You just don't give guys like this top money and I'm sure plenty will disagree but it's the big reason why Beane has no young stars on this team. Â He is good and maybe worth 6-7 mllion tops of cap space. Â The guy has benefited playing in McDermott's soft zones What deems a player great? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 9 minutes ago, damj said: His ability to play in the box line a LB is why we're and to play the D that we do Fringe good player, Â good but not great and you need guys like this making 5-6 mllion so you can bring in stars. Â Beane is heading to another cap jail problem 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack_in_MA Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 10 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Fringe good player, Â good but not great and you need guys like this making 5-6 mllion so you can bring in stars. Â Beane is heading to another cap jail problem Fringe? He's an All Pro. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 5 minutes ago, Slack_in_MA said: Fringe? He's an All Pro. Big fan of Taron, but he had a rough season last year. Â I believe he gave up game winning TDs in 3 games while on single coverage. Â 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack_in_MA Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 minute ago, TheWeatherMan said: Big fan of Taron, but he had a rough season last year. Â I believe he gave up game winning TDs in 3 games while on single coverage. Â So, are you arguing that they shouldn't have extended him, or that the extension is for too much? Or that the All Pro voters got it wrong? Or some combination? Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 14 minutes ago, Slack_in_MA said: Fringe? He's an All Pro. Don't get me wrong, Â I think he is a very good player but not great and he turns 28 in July, Â so maybe 2 more good seasons before he beings to decline and you still have him on the books Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 He’s a solid contributor. They don’t grow on trees! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack_in_MA Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 minute ago, Niagara Dude said: Don't get me wrong,  I think he is a very good player but not great and he turns 28 in July,  so maybe 2 more good seasons before he beings to decline and you still have him on the books You initially said "fringe good player". Now a "very good player"... 😕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Just speculation here, as we don't know what they'll do in the draft, but it seems they are happy to continue with the guys that played big roles when our defense was pretty banged up last year. Which I'm fine with, I just hope there isn't a big drop off, which in theory, there shouldn't be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 16 minutes ago, Slack_in_MA said: So, are you arguing that they shouldn't have extended him, or that the extension is for too much? Or that the All Pro voters got it wrong? Or some combination?  Ummm I’m saying he had a rough season last year and that’s all I’m saying.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Super Fan Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 2 hours ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said: We are broke In the Ralph Wilson days the Buffalo Bills were always broke because he didn’t want to pay anyone. The Buffalo Bills are a large market franchise now with the television money and new Bills stadium on the way. Think of the Buffalo Bills market as Buffalo /Rochester/Erie/Southern Ontario/Toronto along with transplant out of town Buffalonians my point the Bills aren’t broke the Bills operating like a normal NFL team. The Taron Johnson deal is a good deal for the Buffalo Bills in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack_in_MA Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 27 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said: Ummm I’m saying he had a rough season last year and that’s all I’m saying.  Actually, you're saying he had three rough plays last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 17 minutes ago, Buffalo Super Fan said: In the Ralph Wilson days the Buffalo Bills were always broke because he didn’t want to pay anyone. The Buffalo Bills are a large market franchise now with the television money and new Bills stadium on the way. Think of the Buffalo Bills market as Buffalo /Rochester/Erie/Southern Ontario/Toronto along with transplant out of town Buffalonians my point the Bills aren’t broke the Bills operating like a normal NFL team. The Taron Johnson deal is a good deal for the Buffalo Bills in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo Just curious….how does a stadium that won’t be occupied for almost three years have anything to do with the current status of the Bills as a large market team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 19 minutes ago, Slack_in_MA said: Actually, you're saying he had three rough plays last year. You need a hug, role model or maybe both. Â 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 3 hours ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said: We are broke You're projecting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Love it! Taron is a monster! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, Niagara Dude said: Another good but not great player that Beane overpaid and we will be in cap jail down the road because of it.  You just don't give guys like this top money and I'm sure plenty will disagree but it's the big reason why Beane has no young stars on this team.  He is good and maybe worth 6-7 mllion tops of cap space.  The guy has benefited playing in McDermott's soft zones Bernard, Shakir, Cook, Torrence, Kincaid, Benford….you have no idea what you are talking about.  And not only is Johnson a very good player, he actually allows the Bills to play a certain defense.  What an awful take by you. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack_in_MA Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 23 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said: You need a hug, role model or maybe both. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 2 hours ago, Mat68 said: What deems a player great? Â For some posters being paid by another team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 I'll be surprised pleasantly if fans down the line don't have Beans as whipping boy for how he handled the cap. This for sometime has been the biggest question mark I have about him. When and if this team starts regression and no $$ to change things his reputation will dissolve in large part. Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RG Murdock Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Next, Simmons 3 years @ $25M with $18M guaranteed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 I think re-signing Taron will allow the Bills to finish top 8 again in 2024. If they had to replace Taron, I also think the Bills would finish top 8 in 2024. Not completely sure this is the best use of 10mm of cap space. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, Beast said: Bernard, Shakir, Cook, Torrence, Kincaid, Benford….you have no idea what you are talking about.  And not only is Johnson a very good player, he actually allows the Bills to play a certain defense.  What an awful take by you. A certain defense that can't beat KC in the playoffs, cant stop KC for 13 seconds, and can't beat Cincinnati period with Joe B at QB.  It's past time for a change, but that's not coming any time soon.  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 2 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: A certain defense that can't beat KC in the playoffs, cant stop KC for 13 seconds, and can't beat Cincinnati period with Joe B at QB.  It's past time for a change, but that's not coming any time soon.  good point 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 5 hours ago, WotAGuy said: Taron had a subpar 10-yard shuttle during his combine workout.  I don’t like this deal one bit.  Clumsy football player. No way this guy will ever react fast enough to intercept the ball.  4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 37 minutes ago, Radar said: I'll be surprised pleasantly if fans down the line don't have Beans as whipping boy for how he handled the cap. This for sometime has been the biggest question mark I have about him. When and if this team starts regression and no $$ to change things his reputation will dissolve in large part. Just my opinion. Â Bills fans wield whips so often so you would think they would be wearing leather masks to game. Â Â Â 12 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Â Clumsy football player. No way this guy will ever react fast enough to intercept the ball. Â Â Depends if RB playing QB is the one throwing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 40 minutes ago, Chaos said: I think re-signing Taron will allow the Bills to finish top 8 again in 2024. If they had to replace Taron, I also think the Bills would finish top 8 in 2024. Not completely sure this is the best use of 10mm of cap space.  His role is much more difficult to fill than you make it out to be. He's basically playing hybrid LB/CB depending on the play call. He's constantly put in vulnerable situations because McDermott knows he can handle it. Once you remove him, you get the same problem we got when Tre White went down - McDermott has to compromise other parts of his defense to cover the area that the missing player is usually covering. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Bills were afraid to give Taron an incentive based contract. Â Â Â 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 44 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: A certain defense that can't beat KC in the playoffs, cant stop KC for 13 seconds, and can't beat Cincinnati period with Joe B at QB.  It's past time for a change, but that's not coming any time soon.   Classic case of don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Taron and Milano are the only two players I look at on defense right now where I say there is effectively zero room for improvement, not without spending a premium asset on a non-premium position. I'm good paying those two their $10M and leaving them alone. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 34 minutes ago, HappyDays said:  Clumsy football player. No way this guy will ever react fast enough to intercept the ball.  I love the grimacing guy in the background who sees what's coming way ahead of time.😂 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 36 minutes ago, HappyDays said:  His role is much more difficult to fill than you make it out to be. He's basically playing hybrid LB/CB depending on the play call. He's constantly put in vulnerable situations because McDermott knows he can handle it. Once you remove him, you get the same problem we got when Tre White went down - McDermott has to compromise other parts of his defense to cover the area that the missing player is usually covering. I stand by my earlier comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 3 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said: In the Ralph Wilson days the Buffalo Bills were always broke because he didn’t want to pay anyone. The Buffalo Bills are a large market franchise now with the television money and new Bills stadium on the way. Think of the Buffalo Bills market as Buffalo /Rochester/Erie/Southern Ontario/Toronto along with transplant out of town Buffalonians my point the Bills aren’t broke the Bills operating like a normal NFL team. The Taron Johnson deal is a good deal for the Buffalo Bills in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo "Cash to the cap" barf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 So with Johnson extension, is there anyone else left now that could free up more cash if needed? Think all the names that were suggested have been done?. Still get another $10 mil in June too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) 2 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: A certain defense that can't beat KC in the playoffs, cant stop KC for 13 seconds, and can't beat Cincinnati period with Joe B at QB.  It's past time for a change, but that's not coming any time soon.  How many injuries did they have on defense in that playoff game?  Yes, of course, don’t bring Taron Johnson back. That will solve everything. Letting your good players walk is always the answer. Especially when you have nobody to fill his important role.  Maybe we should trade Allen in your eyes? He hasn’t played well against Cincinnati.  What do you think since you brought up we can’t beat the Bengals. Edited March 19 by Beast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Beast said: How many injuries did they have on defense in that playoff game?  Yes, of course, don’t bring Taron Johnson back. That will solve everything. Letting your good players walk is always the answer. Especially when you have nobody to fill his important role.  Maybe we should trade Allen in your eyes? He hasn’t played well against Cincinnati.  What do you think since you brought up we can’t beat the Bengals. Where did I say not to bring Johnson back? Please show me, you can't. What I said was move him to Safety that allows us to move to a 4-3 and put our best people on the field.  Christ this board sometimes. Edited March 19 by SoonerBillsFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Where did I say not to bring Johnson back? Please show me, you can't. What I said was move him to Safety that allows us to move to a 4-3 and put our best people on the field.  Christ this board sometimes.  The irony. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19  1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Where did I say not to bring Johnson back? Please show me, you can't. What I said was move him to Safety that allows us to move to a 4-3 and put our best people on the field.  Christ this board sometimes.  Moving Johnson to safety makes about as much sense as hiring Matt Patricia as your offensive coordinator. Seriously? He's an all pro slot corner lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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