mrags Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 hour ago, Turk71 said: If he was being brought in as a wr2 I could understand your pov...but he isn't a wr2. A successful season for Hollins? Leads a much improved Bills STs unit and catches a few timely passes. I hope he will be a high effort, energy and enthusiasm kind of player who can contribute multiple ways. A really successful season? Leads the Bills STs to an elite level and makes the Pro Bowl as a STer. Fills in nicely at receiver when needed and hauls in 5 or 6 tds as a 6'4" red zone threat. (Back at North Carolina he was a big, relatively fast downfield threat, his career TD% was a ridiculous 25%.... 20 tds 81 catches, avg over 20 per catch, taken 4th rnd). That td% obviously has never materialized for him in the pros, but he excels as a STer and is a very good blocker. He is not wr2 Davis' replacement....but according to ESPN Analytics he was open a lot more often than Gabe Davis was and was rated higher overall last season; being open and catching the ball were the 2 categories he was significantly higher in. He's not being brought in as a wr2, nor is he being paid like one; but if he has to fill in I think he might do better than most imagine with Josh Allen throwing him the ball. Like I think with some others on here I think you’re delusional. im done with the subject. Not talking about this useless waste of a player or the cap space that he takes up anymore. everyone can enjoy hoping for something that will never be. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 3 hours ago, mrags said: I’m done with you. Is it because I said Hollins wouldn’t be the only WR we add and we won’t neglect the #2 WR position? 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMaxPower Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 On 3/13/2024 at 4:41 PM, DrMaxPower said: There are a couple prominent philosophies on this board that I will never understand. 1. The endless desire to convert decent corners to safety. 2. The idea that that you can just plug any UDFA into depth spots and get similar results to a multi year vet. There is a reason most of those guys washout without ever making a roster. There is a reason that EVERY team has half a dozen vets playing depth/ST roles. Expecting to hit and get contributors on your UDFA's and later round picks is a recipe for disaster. If this was a bottom dweller team undergoing a rebuild, OK. Maybe you take that chance. That is not Bills situation. They will never rebuild as long as Josh is under center. They are going to make sure to cover their butts with options. If a draft pick or UDFA outperforms him, great. If they fail to invest significantly in the draft at WR, go nuts. Anybody that thought we were going to pay 8 figures APY for the Mooneys or Samuels of the world was kidding themselves. We're shopping at the Dollar Store this year to reset the cap. Well shut my mouth.... in my defence, it was a lot cheaper than speculated. But still, pleasant surprise. I think this says we're down to the 1.7 signings and the draft to fill remaining gaps. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Come to think of it, I suppose one of the “competitions to watch” going into TC (at least from a fan perspective) might end up being Mack Hollins vs Tyrell Shavers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 52 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Is it because I said Hollins wouldn’t be the only WR we add and we won’t neglect the #2 WR position? I’m done with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, mrags said: I’m done with you. Yes, you have said this 4 times now. Is it because you can’t name one team who has or will ever implement your roster building strategy? What’s funny to me is if Beane had 50% of our WR core as rookie UDFA, you would be mad. Edited March 15 by Royale with Cheese 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, mrags said: I’m done with you. One more time and I might believe you 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Yes, you have said this 4 times now. Is it because you can’t name one team who has or will ever implement your roster building strategy? What’s funny to me is if Beane had 50% of our WR core as rookie UDFA, you would be mad. Why are you baiting him over and over, stop being a troll? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPL7 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Hollins is the 2024 version of when we signed Andre Holmes in 2028. A tall, lanky, special teams guy who is a former Raider that will catch about 15 passes for under 200 yards for the season. Nothing to write home (or should I say “Holmes”) about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 On 3/14/2024 at 5:01 PM, mrags said: I’m done with you. Ya but did you see the guy who’s brother was a Falcons fan so he knows all about Mack Hollins and his one season in Atlanta where he caught 18 balls as the 5th option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 On 3/13/2024 at 9:30 AM, Captain Hindsight said: Atlanta has the talent to challenge for the NFC title. With Cousins in the fold, they are an easy bet to win the south Considering Tampa, the team that won the south, had only 2 more wins than Atlanta and a record of 9-8, that could be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5ths the charm Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 On 3/13/2024 at 10:31 AM, BillsFan130 said: Probably the Trent sherfield role i would imagine. Lol you mean over paid-under delivered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, 5ths the charm said: Lol you mean over paid-under delivered? While he was disappointing, I think our expectations were in the wrong place with Sherfield. Last year he was playing "up to 1.7" mil or something like that. He was basically signed to be a special teams player/run blocker/WR 5 , so if we thought he was gonna be a difference maker on offence, I think we were being naive Edited March 16 by BillsFan130 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 59 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: While he was disappointing, I think our expectations were in the wrong place with Sherfield. Last year he was playing "up to 1.7" mil or something like that. He was basically signed to be a special teams player/run blocker/WR 5 , so if we thought he was gonna be a difference maker on offence, I think we were being naive That one catch made it all worthwhile. And with that ... goodbye, Mr. Sherfield. That was one to remember. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) Why did we give him $2.6M?? This is an awful signing if that number is true, and apparently it may cost us a comp pick. We need to stop being obsessed with special teams players. Edited March 16 by HappyDays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 5 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Why did we give him $2.6M?? This is an awful signing if that number is true, and apparently it may cost us a comp pick. We need to stop being obsessed with special teams players. I’ve been saying this for years, get an original take! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Why did we give him $2.6M?? This is an awful signing if that number is true, and apparently it may cost us a comp pick. We need to stop being obsessed with special teams players. I would have guessed Hollins around that $1.7 m number that Beane likes to hand out … However .. I see he got $2.5m last year … Market prices going up though with the increased cap … Couldn’t they have used one of their 5th round picks on a guy for ST and who may have some upside at his own position.. and at least you just pay him under a million pa rookie money for 4 years whilst you find out … its what they did with Siran Neal… Edited March 17 by Aussie Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) I’m expecting Hollins to be another Jake Kumerow. Not a great player, just solid when needed Edited March 17 by Bills!Win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 On 3/16/2024 at 4:56 PM, Aussie Joe said: I would have guessed Hollins around that $1.7 m number that Beane likes to hand out … However .. I see he got $2.5m last year … Market prices going up though with the increased cap … Couldn’t they have used one of their 5th round picks on a guy for ST and who may have some upside at his own position.. and at least you just pay him under a million pa rookie money for 4 years whilst you find out … its what they did with Siran Neal… The thing about Hollins vs. a draft pick is that we know exactly what Hollins can do, and how well. He's pretty much a known commodity-- a situational WR with specific skills. The only real question, IMO, is whether those skills fit into a position of need, and I certainly think they do. We know he's a decent gunner (position of need with the loss of Siran Neal), and we know he's a decent run blocker (position of need with the losses of Davis, and Sherfield). We also know that he's 6'4", and strong with decent hands, a decent catch %, and contested catch ability. And we know he's slow, doesn't get separation, and not a lot of YAC (you can even see those negatives on his highlight reel). But if we stand him up like a ficus tree in the end zone in redone situations, opposing teams will have to account for him, and even if he doesn't get a single target, he becomes valuable as such. There's been a lot of debate in these pages about what he can, or cannot become, and I don't see the point. We know what he is, and for the money, it seems like a pretty smart signing to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) On 3/16/2024 at 6:49 PM, HappyDays said: Why did we give him $2.6M?? This is an awful signing if that number is true, and apparently it may cost us a comp pick. We need to stop being obsessed with special teams players. Hollins is more than a STer. The guy can actually play WR at a reasonably good level in 2022, 57 for 690 4TD Much better than what Sherfield or Harty have ever produced I figured it would be 3 Million actually Edited March 18 by Warriorspikes51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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