JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 People commenting on the page count, you do know if we were just in talks with him this whole time instead of having signed him that this would be at like 50-60 pages, right? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 20 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I know. Hollins is not the only WR we are going to add. They will add another one via draft or squeeze some money in FA....they are not leaving a hole at #2 WR. Is it because the 1999 Buffalo Bills special teams were dumber than monkeys? I’m done with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: People commenting on the page count, you do know if we were just in talks with him this whole time instead of having signed him that this would be at like 50-60 pages, right? 12 years ago Mack Hollins is the type of guy we brought in to start. There would have been a Bills PR Hype Video and everything. Edited March 14 by TheyCallMeAndy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 This is a frustrating part of the offseason when a certain number of fans will, once again, opine that depth players are a waste of money, and special teams don't matter. Every season proves both perspectives wrong, but here we go anyway. After watching some footage of Hollins playing (what little I could find), and looking at his stats, I think he could be a good hire for the money. He's tall and strong, and plays the ST position of gunner well (which is a need, now that Siran has retired to the Dolphins...). Offensively, it looks like his strengths are exceptional run blocking, a decent catch radius, reliable hands, and decent contested-catch ability. His negatives are that he looks slow, doesn't get separation, and has surprisingly little YAC. He could be a good situational player in the run game, and also as a red-zone target. Even if he doesn't get many targets, opposing teams will absolutely have to account for a 6'4" target with reliable hands in the end zone. If he manages to actually earn the max $3M on his contract, we should all be pretty happy with the result. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 hour ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: People commenting on the page count, you do know if we were just in talks with him this whole time instead of having signed him that this would be at like 50-60 pages, right? I'll never forgive/forget Jeremy Maclin. That was a great thread, all for nothing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) 17 hours ago, mrags said: hows about we make a bet, what do you believe is a successful year for Hollins this season? I’m curious to know what you think. I bet he doesn’t get even 35 catches or 300 yards. Which imo, and based on the arguments that I’ve been making, is less than even a street free agent rookie could come up with in the same role. If he was being brought in as a wr2 I could understand your pov...but he isn't a wr2. A successful season for Hollins? Leads a much improved Bills STs unit and catches a few timely passes. I hope he will be a high effort, energy and enthusiasm kind of player who can contribute multiple ways. A really successful season? Leads the Bills STs to an elite level and makes the Pro Bowl as a STer. Fills in nicely at receiver when needed and hauls in 5 or 6 tds as a 6'4" red zone threat. (Back at North Carolina he was a big, relatively fast downfield threat, his career TD% was a ridiculous 25%.... 20 tds 81 catches, avg over 20 per catch, taken 4th rnd). That td% obviously has never materialized for him in the pros, but he excels as a STer and is a very good blocker. He is not wr2 Davis' replacement....but according to ESPN Analytics he was open a lot more often than Gabe Davis was and was rated higher overall last season; being open and catching the ball were the 2 categories he was significantly higher in. He's not being brought in as a wr2, nor is he being paid like one; but if he has to fill in I think he might do better than most imagine with Josh Allen throwing him the ball. Edited March 14 by Turk71 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said: This is a frustrating part of the offseason when a certain number of fans will, once again, opine that depth players are a waste of money, and special teams don't matter. Every season proves both perspectives wrong, but here we go anyway. After watching some footage of Hollins playing (what little I could find), and looking at his stats, I think he could be a good hire for the money. He's tall and strong, and plays the ST position of gunner well (which is a need, now that Siran has retired to the Dolphins...). Offensively, it looks like his strengths are exceptional run blocking, a decent catch radius, reliable hands, and decent contested-catch ability. His negatives are that he looks slow, doesn't get separation, and has surprisingly little YAC. He could be a good situational player in the run game, and also as a red-zone target. Even if he doesn't get many targets, opposing teams will absolutely have to account for a 6'4" target with reliable hands in the end zone. If he manages to actually earn the max $3M on his contract, we should all be pretty happy with the result. He is probably getting around $1.7m with $400k guaranteed ( my guess) so expectations should be low … he even might actually play to that value level But he wasn’t the guy I had in mind for my FA Wide Receiver signing this off-season … when they only have Diggs, Shakir and Shorter on the roster so far … Edited March 14 by Aussie Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: He is probably getting around $1.7m with $400k guaranteed ( my guess) so expectations should be low … he even might actually play to that value level But he wasn’t the guy I had in mind for my FA Wide Receiver signing this off-season … when they only have Diggs, Shakir and Shorter on the roster so far …It’s Beane being a little too clever with the comp picks I think So this makes Diggs, Shakir, Shorter, and Hollins the only wrs on the roster so far? That leaves plenty of room for a high draft pick, and plenty of room and time for a quality veteran 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Just now, Turk71 said: So this makes Diggs, Shakir, Shorter, and Hollins the only wrs on the roster so far? That leaves plenty of room for a high draft pick, and plenty of room and time for a quality veteran Or two draft picks in the “best WR class ever “ when they have got 11 picks to make and they are struggling for every dollar? Or they just go with 5 WR on the roster like last year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 53 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: This is a frustrating part of the offseason when a certain number of fans will, once again, opine that depth players are a waste of money, and special teams don't matter. Every season proves both perspectives wrong, but here we go anyway. After watching some footage of Hollins playing (what little I could find), and looking at his stats, I think he could be a good hire for the money. He's tall and strong, and plays the ST position of gunner well (which is a need, now that Siran has retired to the Dolphins...). Offensively, it looks like his strengths are exceptional run blocking, a decent catch radius, reliable hands, and decent contested-catch ability. His negatives are that he looks slow, doesn't get separation, and has surprisingly little YAC. He could be a good situational player in the run game, and also as a red-zone target. Even if he doesn't get many targets, opposing teams will absolutely have to account for a 6'4" target with reliable hands in the end zone. If he manages to actually earn the max $3M on his contract, we should all be pretty happy with the result. Come TC we’ll all be reading how this guy is gonna take this offense to another level. Especially if Josh Allen says something nice about him. Last year he said Sherfield was fast and some fans drooled over it until mid October when they realized that’s the only thing he had going for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 minute ago, BananaB said: Come TC we’ll all be reading how this guy is gonna take this offense to another level. Especially if Josh Allen says something nice about him. Last year he said Sherfield was fast and some fans drooled over it until mid October when they realized that’s the only thing he had going for him. Probably… Josh will talk him up … but in reality he will be the last guy he looks for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 4 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Probably… Josh will talk him up … but in reality he will be the last guy he looks for Not sure it’s talking him up by giving a man a compliment, just how the posters on this board will take it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 This guy has some nice quotes “I don't like soft people. I don't even like people who eat with utensils. Eat with your hands, that's what they're there for." - Mack Hollins “If you can’t eat it with your hands, you shouldn’t be eating it.” When a reporter inquired about soup, he said, “Shouldn’t be eating soup. You’ve never seen a lion eat soup. You’ve never seen a gorilla eat soup. You’ve never seen anything savage eat soup.” “I hate cats. Cats will steal your soul. Never trust a cat. The small ones? No. Never look them in the eye.” Big cats, like lions, he likes. Hollins said his father owned a lion when he was growing up in Ohio. “It wasn’t one of those TLC hang-in-the-house lions. It was in a big cage. Killed a deer and ate it.” “If I cut the roots out of a tree, it wouldn’t make very much sense. If this is how I feel the ground, this is how I connect to everything around me, why would I cover it?” he asked, moving his feet back and forth. “Nobody is wearing mittens here, but everyone has shoes on. Feet and hands are the exact same when you’re a baby and then all of a sudden they put shoes on, and they stop feeling (the ground).” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) 1 hour ago, Turk71 said: So this makes Diggs, Shakir, Shorter, and Hollins the only wrs on the roster so far? That leaves plenty of room for a high draft pick, and plenty of room and time for a quality veteran Looks like you were right … I was expecting a move in the Curtis Samuel range initially .., the Hollins move confused me 😎 Edited March 14 by Aussie Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 28 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: This guy has some nice quotes “I don't like soft people. I don't even like people who eat with utensils. Eat with your hands, that's what they're there for." - Mack Hollins “If you can’t eat it with your hands, you shouldn’t be eating it.” When a reporter inquired about soup, he said, “Shouldn’t be eating soup. You’ve never seen a lion eat soup. You’ve never seen a gorilla eat soup. You’ve never seen anything savage eat soup.” “I hate cats. Cats will steal your soul. Never trust a cat. The small ones? No. Never look them in the eye.” Big cats, like lions, he likes. Hollins said his father owned a lion when he was growing up in Ohio. “It wasn’t one of those TLC hang-in-the-house lions. It was in a big cage. Killed a deer and ate it.” “If I cut the roots out of a tree, it wouldn’t make very much sense. If this is how I feel the ground, this is how I connect to everything around me, why would I cover it?” he asked, moving his feet back and forth. “Nobody is wearing mittens here, but everyone has shoes on. Feet and hands are the exact same when you’re a baby and then all of a sudden they put shoes on, and they stop feeling (the ground).” Hm. Starting to like the guy. I hope he can ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Suddenly Hollins is fighting for one of the last WR slots. After a drafted WR and assuming the Bills keep 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said: He is probably getting around $1.7m with $400k guaranteed ( my guess) so expectations should be low … he even might actually play to that value level But he wasn’t the guy I had in mind for my FA Wide Receiver signing this off-season … when they only have Diggs, Shakir and Shorter on the roster so far … Bet you feel a lot better now tho, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Just now, Rocky Landing said: Bet you feel a lot better now tho, eh? Yes … probably feeling better than Mack Hollins is feeling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Suddenly Hollins is fighting for one of the last WR slots. After a drafted WR and assuming the Bills keep 6. I think the notion of Hollins as Siran Neal’s’ replacement increases the likelihood of that (as well as Hollins’ chances at the 53). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Super impressive in his first interview on the Bills YouTube page. Very intelligent guy. Now I'm really hoping he has success here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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