Warriorspikes51 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 3 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: The better your rush defense the worse it is for you because it discourages opponents from rushing and encourages them to pass, and passing is better, smarter, more efficient. Bad rush defense is better than good rush defense because it encourages rushing, and rushing a lot is a stupid move for the offense. The goal is to win not to be ranked #1 in useless statistical categories. #SometimesHotTakesAreRightTho wut? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 6 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: The better your rush defense the worse it is for you because it discourages opponents from rushing and encourages them to pass, and passing is better, smarter, more efficient. Bad rush defense is better than good rush defense because it encourages rushing, and rushing a lot is a stupid move for the offense. The goal is to win not to be ranked #1 in useless statistical categories. #SometimesHotTakesAreRightTho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 3 hours ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: The better your rush defense the worse it is for you because it discourages opponents from rushing and encourages them to pass, and passing is better, smarter, more efficient. Bad rush defense is better than good rush defense because it encourages rushing, and rushing a lot is a stupid move for the offense. The goal is to win not to be ranked #1 in useless statistical categories. #SometimesHotTakesAreRightTho I don't go as far as having a bad run defense is better.... but I do think there is a grain of truth. The days of "run and stop the run" are over. And if you build a really dominant run defense to the point teams barely even try against you then that is good against teams with average and bad Quarterbacks but it isn't great when you play the good Quarterbacks.... because you want those teams to get cute and waste downs rushing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 5 hours ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: The better your rush defense the worse it is for you because it discourages opponents from rushing and encourages them to pass, and passing is better, smarter, more efficient. Bad rush defense is better than good rush defense because it encourages rushing, and rushing a lot is a stupid move for the offense. The goal is to win not to be ranked #1 in useless statistical categories. #SometimesHotTakesAreRightTho The fundamental problem with this argument is that having to be prepared to defend against the run forces suspect defensive lines to always anticipate moving laterally to get to the back, and if you can be run on, your d-line’s get-upfield-to-the-qb ability will be significantly handicapped. Being weak against the run means that you have to play two-dimensionally on d-line all the time, and that is NOT a good thing. Also, being weak against the run tends to create massive problems inside the red zone. This is why there is literally not one defensive coordinator or head coach in the NFL who would agree with this take (flagging @GunnerBill, who somehow bizarrely agrees in part with this argument.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 love it. fills a huge hole at DT. still can draft 1-2 (2nd-3rd and late pick). draft seems deep at 1T types. We can now get 2 early WR—even 1in both 1st -2nd round). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 14 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said: Okay great but what about the offense Draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 6 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: wut? he’s just arguing 7 yards per attempt passing is better than 4.5 yards per carry for an offense. candidly, if you can be stingy in short yardage and goal line situations, I don’t much care about the yardage given up on 1st and 10 (or better yet, when behind schedule) unless you are an extreme outlier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I don't go as far as having a bad run defense is better.... but I do think there is a grain of truth. The days of "run and stop the run" are over. And if you build a really dominant run defense to the point teams barely even try against you then that is good against teams with average and bad Quarterbacks but it isn't great when you play the good Quarterbacks.... because you want those teams to get cute and waste downs rushing. every snap moss takes from burrow is a win, right? obviously it’s more nuanced than that but at its oversimplified core 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: The fundamental problem with this argument is that having to be prepared to defend against the run forces suspect defensive lines to always anticipate moving laterally to get to the back, and if you can be run on, your d-line’s get-upfield-to-the-qb ability will be significantly handicapped. Being weak against the run means that you have to play two-dimensionally on d-line all the time, and that is NOT a good thing. Also, being weak against the run tends to create massive problems inside the red zone. This is why there is literally not one defensive coordinator or head coach in the NFL who would agree with this take (flagging @GunnerBill, who somehow bizarrely agrees in part with this argument.) I don't agree with him, but I think there is a germ of a point there. I'm not advocating being weak against the run or building a weak defensive line. I am saying seeking to build a dominant run stopping defense to force teams to be "one dimensional" which 15 years ago was absolutely something teams sought to do is no longer a winning strategy against the best Quarterbacks. 10 minutes ago, NoSaint said: every snap moss takes from burrow is a win, right? obviously it’s more nuanced than that but at its oversimplified core Exactly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 11 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Difference Jones has made in the playoff the last 2 seasons? None. Diggs hasn't been a big difference maker the past two playoff seasons, either. Should probably cut him. Heck, Allen didn't play great against the Bengals in the 2022 playoffs. What do you think we could get back if we trade him away? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 43 minutes ago, Logic said: Diggs hasn't been a big difference maker the past two playoff seasons, either. Should probably cut him. Heck, Allen didn't play great against the Bengals in the 2022 playoffs. What do you think we could get back if we trade him away? Seriously? I don't feel like getting banned today, so I won't respond further Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 7 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Seriously? I don't feel like getting banned today, so I won't respond further Probably for the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I don't agree with him, but I think there is a germ of a point there. I'm not advocating being weak against the run or building a weak defensive line. I am saying seeking to build a dominant run stopping defense to force teams to be "one dimensional" which 15 years ago was absolutely something teams sought to do is no longer a winning strategy against the best Quarterbacks. Exactly. Yeah having a dominant rush defense will help the Bills beat up on bad teams but they have Josh Allen, they're going to win most of those games anyway, automatically. When you play the Chiefs you want them to run the ball. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/daquan-jones-14523/ $4.5M cap hit this year, $9M in 2025, then two void years. This is an overpay IMO. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/daquan-jones-14523/ $4.5M cap hit this year, $9M in 2025, then two void years. This is an overpay IMO. Looks more like a one year deal to me. Far from an overpay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 11 minutes ago, HappyDays said: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/daquan-jones-14523/ $4.5M cap hit this year, $9M in 2025, then two void years. This is an overpay IMO. It maybe a 1 yr deal but that's a rich 1 yr deal with some extra lines behind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 5 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Looks more like a one year deal to me. Far from an overpay I’m thinking he is still there in 2025… only save $3m …if they cut him after this year .. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 10 minutes ago, HappyDays said: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/daquan-jones-14523/ $4.5M cap hit this year, $9M in 2025, then two void years. This is an overpay IMO. It would be an overpay IF Jones can't play well for the bulk of the season. If he does, then it all comes down to his effectiveness in 2025. Seems to me this contract's risk is about 2025. Beane has to hit on 2 DL guys in this draft. If that happens, Jone's cap hit next year is easily workable. My fingers are crossed on DaQuan's health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 18 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Looks more like a one year deal to me. Far from an overpay Wouldn't call it a 1 year deal. It's a $6M dead cap hit to cut him next offseason, only saving $3M according to Spotrac. OTC has it even worse: https://overthecap.com/player/daquan-jones/3051 They are saying it would be a $7.25M dead cap hit to cut him in 2025. Not sure which report is correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Wouldn't call it a 1 year deal. It's a $6M dead cap hit to cut him next offseason, only saving $3M according to Spotrac. OTC has it even worse: https://overthecap.com/player/daquan-jones/3051 They are saying it would be a $7.25M dead cap hit to cut him in 2025. Not sure which report is correct. It would be $6M ($2.25M of 2025 salary plus $3.75M in unamortized SB). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/13/2024 at 2:04 AM, dave mcbride said: The fundamental problem with this argument is that having to be prepared to defend against the run forces suspect defensive lines to always anticipate moving laterally to get to the back, and if you can be run on, your d-line’s get-upfield-to-the-qb ability will be significantly handicapped. Being weak against the run means that you have to play two-dimensionally on d-line all the time, and that is NOT a good thing. Also, being weak against the run tends to create massive problems inside the red zone. This is why there is literally not one defensive coordinator or head coach in the NFL who would agree with this take (flagging @GunnerBill, who somehow bizarrely agrees in part with this argument.) It's actually the right take You can't be weak against the run but you want to incentivize the opposing offense to run at a -ev frequency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 DaQuan got da quan. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 On 3/13/2024 at 2:00 AM, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: The better your rush defense the worse it is for you because it discourages opponents from rushing and encourages them to pass, and passing is better, smarter, more efficient. Bad rush defense is better than good rush defense because it encourages rushing, and rushing a lot is a stupid move for the offense. The goal is to win not to be ranked #1 in useless statistical categories. #SometimesHotTakesAreRightTho I'm guessing 32/32 NFL defensive coordinators want to stop the run so effectively that opposing offenses are forced to become one-dimensional, pass-only attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) 12 hours ago, HappyDays said: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/daquan-jones-14523/ $4.5M cap hit this year, $9M in 2025, then two void years. This is an overpay IMO. Starting DT's aren't cheap. They've been costing a fair amount this offseason. Looking over the contracts of the top 10 signed since FA opened, it seems pretty in line with the value of what he is and what they're costing: Christian Wilkins - 4 yr 110m (27.5 aav) Arik Armstead - 3 yr 51m (17.5 aav) D.J. Reader - 2 yr 27.5m (13.75 aav) Grover Stewart - 3 yr 39m (13m aav) Sheldon Rankins - 2 yr 24.5m (12.25 aav) Justin Jones - 3 yr 31.165m (10.38 aav) Daquan Jones - 2 yr 16m (8m aav) Raekwon Davis - 2 yr 14m (7m aav) Jordan Elliott - 2 yr 10m (5m aav) Shelby Harris - 2 yr 9m (4.5 aav) Edited March 18 by BillsFanForever19 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) 8 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Starting DT's aren't cheap. They've been costing a fair amount this offseason. Looking over the contracts of the top 10 signed since FA opened, it seems pretty in line with the value of what he is and what they're costing: Christian Wilkins - 4 yr 110m (27.5 aav) Arik Armstead - 3 yr 51m (17.5 aav) Grover Stewart - 3 yr 39m (13m aav) D.J. Reader - 2 yr 27.5m (13.75 aav) Sheldon Rankins - 2 yr 24.5m (12.25 aav) Justin Jones - 3 yr 31.165m (10.38 aav) Daquan Jones - 2 yr 16m (8m aav) Raekwon Davis - 2 yr 14m (7m aav) Jordan Elliott - 2 yr 10m (5m aav) Shelby Harris - 2 yr 9m (4.5 aav) I agree. He got $14M from the Bills his previous 2 seasons. This one is 2 years for $16M. Edited March 18 by Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 7 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Starting DT's aren't cheap. They've been costing a fair amount this offseason. Looking over the contracts of the top 10 signed since FA opened, it seems pretty in line with the value of what he is and what they're costing: Christian Wilkins - 4 yr 110m (27.5 aav) Arik Armstead - 3 yr 51m (17.5 aav) D.J. Reader - 2 yr 27.5m (13.75 aav) Grover Stewart - 3 yr 39m (13m aav) Sheldon Rankins - 2 yr 24.5m (12.25 aav) Justin Jones - 3 yr 31.165m (10.38 aav) Daquan Jones - 2 yr 16m (8m aav) Raekwon Davis - 2 yr 14m (7m aav) Jordan Elliott - 2 yr 10m (5m aav) Shelby Harris - 2 yr 9m (4.5 aav) If you want Wilkins-style cash, you need to work in a few grabs on the QBs nutsack.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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