Reid's Shortcomings & Peyton Manning Didn't Make The SB Until His 9th Season

[H2o]

All of the talk about JA17's "prime years" being wasted, and all of the incessant whining about every single detail around here can make this board tiresome. Every single thought posted as a thread no matter how irrational, how vague, or how much of a LAMP they may be. The "fire, cut, and trade" trains are all over the place again. All of the Nancy's have come back out of the woodworks as soon as Bass missed the kick, the ones who hadn't been as present during the 6 game win streak. 

 

First, the Chiefs game. JA17 was balling. All the bobbleheads on TV can say whatever they want, about any aspect, but that's clowns do. They came to the circus all piled in the same VW. Cook had a solid game, outside of the dropped TD pass. The game plan was solid on offense, even though things shifted a bit in the 4th. There are multiple factors that cost us. The defense couldn't stop a nose bleed. The loss Bernard was the final nail in the coffin there. Not being able to stop the run hurt. Huge drops by the WR's. If those 3 passes are completed, then JA has another 150yds and likely one more TD. That ball to Diggs was in the air 70 yards and an ABSOLUTE dime. There's no excuse. Sherfield was being interfered with on the first one, but that was a perfect throw as well. Then he had an opportunity when Josh laid the other out there, but just couldn't secure it. Bass put the flame out altogether with his recreation of a Norwood classic. Tough loss. Very emotional. It leaves a bad taste in your mouth knowing how close we were again. Still, it's not the end of the world. 

 

Everyone wants to act like it's time to completely deconstruct the whole thing. Everyone also forgets that Reid was the lovable underachiever in Philly. His teams won 6 division titles, were in 5 NFCCG (4 in a row at one point), and made one SB in that time which they did not win. Even in KC he didn't win anything of importance until he had Mahomes, Kelce, and Hill. Brett Veach and Andy Reid built this monster together they have now. They have hit on their drafts more often than not, on both sides of the ball. Now that Reid has a couple of SB's in KC and been on an insane run of AFCCG's the last few years people talk about him as one of the best coaches in history. They forget the lovable underachiever he once was. 

 

Peyton Manning had multiple MVP's and numerous accolades to his credit prior to the 2006 season. He was recognized as one of the top QB's in the game. But his teams were always coming up short in the Playoffs. In four of those Playoff appearances they failed to even win a single game. One and done. We're talking about teams that had Edgerrin James, Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, and Dallas Clark on offense. Then they had Bob Sanders, Dwight Freeney, and Robert Mathis on defense. They were always coming up short. In his 9th season, 2006, they finally had that magical run and Peyton made it to his 1st SB. It also helped that they came up against a much lesser opponent in the Rex Grossman led Chicago Bears for that SB and it ended in a victory. 

 

I know we live in a microwave society, and instant gratification is almost viewed as a right by many people these days, but it's not always the case. Sometimes you do have to struggle and toil before you actually achieve your goals. The team has needs. Trenches need to be shored up. Weapons need to be obtained in the passing game still. We need good fortune with injuries for once. But one thing we do have? We have an elite QB. Screw the media bobbleheads and so called reporters. the clown show will continue with them no matter what. Also, despite my grumblings against Sean McDermott at times, I still think he's a solid coach and it's not time for him to be shown the door just yet. I think Beane is a solid GM who has actually made some really good moves for this team. Even though this year is fresh in my mind, and the pain of the loss is real, I still know that as long as we have JA17 at the helm our SB window is open. Now let's hope they make the right moves in the offseason and for once, next season, that God smiles down upon this team injury wise. 

 

 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

15 minutes ago, H2o said:

All of the talk about JA17's "prime years" being wasted, and all of the incessant whining about every single detail around here can make this board tiresome. Every single thought posted as a thread no matter how irrational, how vague, or how much of a LAMP they may be. The "fire, cut, and trade" trains are all over the place again. All of the Nancy's have come back out of the woodworks as soon as Bass missed the kick, the ones who hadn't been as present during the 6 game win streak. 

 

First, the Chiefs game. JA17 was balling. All the bobbleheads on TV can say whatever they want, about any aspect, but that's clowns do. They came to the circus all piled in the same VW. Cook had a solid game, outside of the dropped TD pass. The game plan was solid on offense, even though things shifted a bit in the 4th. There are multiple factors that cost us. The defense couldn't stop a nose bleed. The loss Bernard was the final nail in the coffin there. Not being able to stop the run hurt. Huge drops by the WR's. If those 3 passes are completed, then JA has another 150yds and likely one more TD. That ball to Diggs was in the air 70 yards and an ABSOLUTE dime. There's no excuse. Sherfield was being interfered with on the first one, but that was a perfect throw as well. Then he had an opportunity when Josh laid the other out there, but just couldn't secure it. Bass put the flame out altogether with his recreation of a Norwood classic. Tough loss. Very emotional. It leaves a bad taste in your mouth knowing how close we were again. Still, it's not the end of the world. 

 

Everyone wants to act like it's time to completely deconstruct the whole thing. Everyone also forgets that Reid was the lovable underachiever in Philly. His teams won 6 division titles, were in 5 NFCCG (4 in a row at one point), and made one SB in that time which they did not win. Even in KC he didn't win anything of importance until he had Mahomes, Kelce, and Hill. Brett Veach and Andy Reid built this monster together they have now. They have hit on their drafts more often than not, on both sides of the ball. Now that Reid has a couple of SB's in KC and been on an insane run of AFCCG's the last few years people talk about him as one of the best coaches in history. They forget the lovable underachiever he once was. 

 

Peyton Manning had multiple MVP's and numerous accolades to his credit prior to the 2006 season. He was recognized as one of the top QB's in the game. But his teams were always coming up short in the Playoffs. In four of those Playoff appearances they failed to even win a single game. One and done. We're talking about teams that had Edgerrin James, Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, and Dallas Clark on offense. Then they had Bob Sanders, Dwight Freeney, and Robert Mathis on defense. They were always coming up short. In his 9th season, 2006, they finally had that magical run and Peyton made it to his 1st SB. It also helped that they came up against a much lesser opponent in the Rex Grossman led Chicago Bears for that SB and it ended in a victory. 

 

I know we live in a microwave society, and instant gratification is almost viewed as a right by many people these days, but it's not always the case. Sometimes you do have to struggle and toil before you actually achieve your goals. The team has needs. Trenches need to be shored up. Weapons need to be obtained in the passing game still. We need good fortune with injuries for once. But one thing we do have? We have an elite QB. Screw the media bobbleheads and so called reporters. the clown show will continue with them no matter what. Also, despite my grumblings against Sean McDermott at times, I still think he's a solid coach and it's not time for him to be shown the door just yet. I think Beane is a solid GM who has actually made some really good moves for this team. Even though this year is fresh in my mind, and the pain of the loss is real, I still know that as long as we have JA17 at the helm our SB window is open. Now let's hope they make the right moves in the offseason and for once, next season, that God smiles down upon this team injury wise. 

 

 

that was way too rational for this joint. good post. I think the worst of all this to me, is how the so called bills fans threatened Bass. that was below low. those aren't bills fans but nothing more than morons that need their asses handed to them.

 

I also felt pretty bad for JA, the kid gives it his all. 

Edited January 23 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[H2o]

2 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

that was way too rational for this joint. good post. I think the worst of all this to me, is how the so called bills fans threatened Bass. that was below low. those aren't bills fans but nothing more than morons that need their asses handed to them.

 

I also felt pretty bad for JA, the kid gives it his all. 

Also, seeing that video of the fans screaming at Gabe Davis didn't sit right with me either. Yeah, we all have our gripes about the guy, but have some respect and some class. It was just a bad look. 

[ngbills]

Roster dynamics were much different back then. You did not have a qb making up 25% of your cap. Reid has provemn to be better than McD. He would already have multiple super bowls with this Bills roster. 

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, H2o said:

All of the talk about JA17's "prime years" being wasted, and all of the incessant whining about every single detail around here can make this board tiresome. Every single thought posted as a thread no matter how irrational, how vague, or how much of a LAMP they may be. The "fire, cut, and trade" trains are all over the place again. All of the Nancy's have come back out of the woodworks as soon as Bass missed the kick, the ones who hadn't been as present during the 6 game win streak. 

 

First, the Chiefs game. JA17 was balling. All the bobbleheads on TV can say whatever they want, about any aspect, but that's clowns do. They came to the circus all piled in the same VW. Cook had a solid game, outside of the dropped TD pass. The game plan was solid on offense, even though things shifted a bit in the 4th. There are multiple factors that cost us. The defense couldn't stop a nose bleed. The loss Bernard was the final nail in the coffin there. Not being able to stop the run hurt. Huge drops by the WR's. If those 3 passes are completed, then JA has another 150yds and likely one more TD. That ball to Diggs was in the air 70 yards and an ABSOLUTE dime. There's no excuse. Sherfield was being interfered with on the first one, but that was a perfect throw as well. Then he had an opportunity when Josh laid the other out there, but just couldn't secure it. Bass put the flame out altogether with his recreation of a Norwood classic. Tough loss. Very emotional. It leaves a bad taste in your mouth knowing how close we were again. Still, it's not the end of the world. 

 

Everyone wants to act like it's time to completely deconstruct the whole thing. Everyone also forgets that Reid was the lovable underachiever in Philly. His teams won 6 division titles, were in 5 NFCCG (4 in a row at one point), and made one SB in that time which they did not win. Even in KC he didn't win anything of importance until he had Mahomes, Kelce, and Hill. Brett Veach and Andy Reid built this monster together they have now. They have hit on their drafts more often than not, on both sides of the ball. Now that Reid has a couple of SB's in KC and been on an insane run of AFCCG's the last few years people talk about him as one of the best coaches in history. They forget the lovable underachiever he once was. 

 

Peyton Manning had multiple MVP's and numerous accolades to his credit prior to the 2006 season. He was recognized as one of the top QB's in the game. But his teams were always coming up short in the Playoffs. In four of those Playoff appearances they failed to even win a single game. One and done. We're talking about teams that had Edgerrin James, Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, and Dallas Clark on offense. Then they had Bob Sanders, Dwight Freeney, and Robert Mathis on defense. They were always coming up short. In his 9th season, 2006, they finally had that magical run and Peyton made it to his 1st SB. It also helped that they came up against a much lesser opponent in the Rex Grossman led Chicago Bears for that SB and it ended in a victory. 

 

I know we live in a microwave society, and instant gratification is almost viewed as a right by many people these days, but it's not always the case. Sometimes you do have to struggle and toil before you actually achieve your goals. The team has needs. Trenches need to be shored up. Weapons need to be obtained in the passing game still. We need good fortune with injuries for once. But one thing we do have? We have an elite QB. Screw the media bobbleheads and so called reporters. the clown show will continue with them no matter what. Also, despite my grumblings against Sean McDermott at times, I still think he's a solid coach and it's not time for him to be shown the door just yet. I think Beane is a solid GM who has actually made some really good moves for this team. Even though this year is fresh in my mind, and the pain of the loss is real, I still know that as long as we have JA17 at the helm our SB window is open. Now let's hope they make the right moves in the offseason and for once, next season, that God smiles down upon this team injury wise. 

 

 

 

Indy had to change coaches for this to happen. Also, they ran into the Pats dynasty several times. Totally different scenarios to our current state of affairs. 

[Taro Nimbus]

2 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

Indy had to change coaches for this to happen. Also, they ran into the Pats dynasty several times. Totally different scenarios to our current state of affairs. 

There’s always that one person…

 

[H2o]

3 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

Indy had to change coaches for this to happen. Also, they ran into the Pats dynasty several times. Totally different scenarios to our current state of affairs. 

And we're not running into a similar situation with the Chiefs? You also think the game changer was Dungy, who got replaced in Tamps because he couldn't get it done there? 

[RyanC883]

Just now, H2o said:

And we're not running into a similar situation with the Chiefs? You also think the game changer was Dungy, who got replaced in Tamps because he couldn't get it done there? 

 

KC is nowhere near the juggernaut the Pats were.  We had the better team, should have won, and yet McD’d our way out of it.  (last drive was abysmal abandoning what worked for us by taking deep shots, D was horrific most of the game, fake punt fiasco only bailed out by a KC fumble). 

 

There have been 0 HC and franchise QBs that have taken this long to win a SB together.   Some coaches like Campbell and Shanhanan are winning without top tier QB’s. 

6 minutes ago, Taro Nimbus said:

There’s always that one person…

 

 

yeah, people who see the reality of the situation.  Care to discuss the bills, or just here to make weird comments and insults?  

[njbuff]

There will this same thread after next year, and the year after, and the year after, and the year after, etc.

 

The definition of insanity????

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, H2o said:

And we're not running into a similar situation with the Chiefs? You also think the game changer was Dungy, who got replaced in Tamps because he couldn't get it done there? 

 

Andy Reid needs to win one more SB and ride off into the sunset. 

3 minutes ago, njbuff said:

There will this same thread after next year, and the year after, and the year after, and the year after, etc.

 

The definition of insanity????

 

Yes, 31 teams should change head coaches every year after the SB winner is crowned. That makes sense. Fire the HC with the highest winning percentage in franchise history. That makes a ton of sense! 

[Success]

Great post.

 

Josh Allen is 27.  I also think of Michael Jordan, who lost to the Pistons 3x before breaking through, and Jim Kelly, who didn't make his 1st SB until he was in his 30's and went to 4 of them.

 

I can't imagine Josh Allen retiring without at least 1 ring.

 

Edited January 23 by Success

[Buffaloman]

Good rational post - I am just sick of seeing a soft defense when the playoffs come around

[Man with No Name]

Im not sure Manning ever played for a great coach. that would explain why the 2nd best qb ever "only" has 2 SBs. He was basically his own coach. He ran the room with the teams he was with. But that's not enough come playoff time. 

[The Frankish Reich]

So ... 2027 it is.

I will make my reservations for SoFi.

[uticaclub]

Peyton would finish a game without a bruise, Josh runs over linebackers, they are not the same. Dungy was another lousy coach who brought the Colts to the same amount of Super Bowls as Jim Caldwell. 

3 minutes ago, Man with No Name said:

Im not sure Manning ever played for a great coach. that would explain why the 2nd best qb ever "only" has 2 SBs. He was basically his own coach. He ran the room with the teams he was with. But that's not enough come playoff time. 

Kubiak was pretty good in Denver

[Man with No Name]

1 minute ago, uticaclub said:

Peyton would finish a game without a bruise, Josh runs over linebackers, they are not the same. Dungy was another lousy coach who brought the Colts to the same amount of Super Bowls as Jim Caldwell. 

a couple nice guys, but i agree. maybe dungy was a good coach, but not a difference maker when it's best vs best. he's probaby pretty close to what McD is. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

1 hour ago, H2o said:

All of the talk about JA17's "prime years" being wasted, and all of the incessant whining about every single detail around here can make this board tiresome. Every single thought posted as a thread no matter how irrational, how vague, or how much of a LAMP they may be. The "fire, cut, and trade" trains are all over the place again. All of the Nancy's have come back out of the woodworks as soon as Bass missed the kick, the ones who hadn't been as present during the 6 game win streak. 

 

First, the Chiefs game. JA17 was balling. All the bobbleheads on TV can say whatever they want, about any aspect, but that's clowns do. They came to the circus all piled in the same VW. Cook had a solid game, outside of the dropped TD pass. The game plan was solid on offense, even though things shifted a bit in the 4th. There are multiple factors that cost us. The defense couldn't stop a nose bleed. The loss Bernard was the final nail in the coffin there. Not being able to stop the run hurt. Huge drops by the WR's. If those 3 passes are completed, then JA has another 150yds and likely one more TD. That ball to Diggs was in the air 70 yards and an ABSOLUTE dime. There's no excuse. Sherfield was being interfered with on the first one, but that was a perfect throw as well. Then he had an opportunity when Josh laid the other out there, but just couldn't secure it. Bass put the flame out altogether with his recreation of a Norwood classic. Tough loss. Very emotional. It leaves a bad taste in your mouth knowing how close we were again. Still, it's not the end of the world. 

 

Everyone wants to act like it's time to completely deconstruct the whole thing. Everyone also forgets that Reid was the lovable underachiever in Philly. His teams won 6 division titles, were in 5 NFCCG (4 in a row at one point), and made one SB in that time which they did not win. Even in KC he didn't win anything of importance until he had Mahomes, Kelce, and Hill. Brett Veach and Andy Reid built this monster together they have now. They have hit on their drafts more often than not, on both sides of the ball. Now that Reid has a couple of SB's in KC and been on an insane run of AFCCG's the last few years people talk about him as one of the best coaches in history. They forget the lovable underachiever he once was. 

 

Peyton Manning had multiple MVP's and numerous accolades to his credit prior to the 2006 season. He was recognized as one of the top QB's in the game. But his teams were always coming up short in the Playoffs. In four of those Playoff appearances they failed to even win a single game. One and done. We're talking about teams that had Edgerrin James, Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, and Dallas Clark on offense. Then they had Bob Sanders, Dwight Freeney, and Robert Mathis on defense. They were always coming up short. In his 9th season, 2006, they finally had that magical run and Peyton made it to his 1st SB. It also helped that they came up against a much lesser opponent in the Rex Grossman led Chicago Bears for that SB and it ended in a victory. 

 

I know we live in a microwave society, and instant gratification is almost viewed as a right by many people these days, but it's not always the case. Sometimes you do have to struggle and toil before you actually achieve your goals. The team has needs. Trenches need to be shored up. Weapons need to be obtained in the passing game still. We need good fortune with injuries for once. But one thing we do have? We have an elite QB. Screw the media bobbleheads and so called reporters. the clown show will continue with them no matter what. Also, despite my grumblings against Sean McDermott at times, I still think he's a solid coach and it's not time for him to be shown the door just yet. I think Beane is a solid GM who has actually made some really good moves for this team. Even though this year is fresh in my mind, and the pain of the loss is real, I still know that as long as we have JA17 at the helm our SB window is open. Now let's hope they make the right moves in the offseason and for once, next season, that God smiles down upon this team injury wise. 

 

 

The Reid comps for McD are completely asinine. Reid went to 4 straight NFC Championship games and a Superbowl with a LESSER QB than Allen while McD has so much trouble just getting out of the Divisional Round. 
 

Also, Reid was a terrible in-game manager, still probably isn’t a great one, but they can live with it because  he’s always been very proficient with his side of the ball, would you agree? While for us, the primary reason we keep losing in the playoffs is because of McD’s side of the ball despite him being given a tremendous amount of resources for it with money and picks. And he obviously directly cost us the 13 seconds game with his own personal choke job. 
 

McD’s defense, his supposed specialty and what he’s supposed to be proficient in, has been our biggest problem in the playoffs, he’s a horrendous in-game manager except we’re not getting the payoff on his side of the ball, and he’s had issues with identifying quality coordinators. 
 

So what do you look at with McD and say “wow, I’m really glad we have what he does in this department!” Because I literally don’t see a thing. 

34 minutes ago, Success said:

Great post.

 

Josh Allen is 27.  I also think of Michael Jordan, who lost to the Pistons 3x before breaking through, and Jim Kelly, who didn't make his 1st SB until he was in his 30's and went to 4 of them.

 

I can't imagine Josh Allen retiring without at least 1 ring.

 

Jordan needed a new coach to break through, the way they were going was not working. He’s talked many times about how getting the right coach was so integral to what ended up being their Dynastic success. 

[MikePJ76]

Why does this situation keep getting compared to the colts.

 

Its almost identical to the early - mid 90's packers.  They could not beat Dallas in the playoffs.  Lost 3 straight years at texas stadium.  

 

Then Dallas self destructed in 96 and the packers got to play the panthers and they went and won the superbowl.

 

Now that staff in GB had Holmgren, Reid, Mariucci, Gruden Etc....this one does not but there are some similarities.

 

The Chiefs are closer to the end of their run imo than the Bills are to starting their's.   IF Kelce and Reid retire in the next two years that will be huge. This bills offense with Allen and that line and running game can be even better next year.  They need an upgrade at kicker and to retool the defense but I think this thing is just getting started.  

 

I would love to see some more veteran coaches brought in.  Anyway, this is more like that packers team that just self destructed every year at Texas Stadium until they finally didn't have to play them anymore. 

[Jrb1979]

42 minutes ago, Success said:

Great post.

 

Josh Allen is 27.  I also think of Michael Jordan, who lost to the Pistons 3x before breaking through, and Jim Kelly, who didn't make his 1st SB until he was in his 30's and went to 4 of them.

 

I can't imagine Josh Allen retiring without at least 1 ring.

 

He's going to need a different coach first. Only 5 coaches in the Superbowl era have won after being with a team for more than 5 seasons. 

[TPS]

@H2o Peyton is the right comparison because he had to deal with beating Brady. However, I also think about Elway winning in his 30s when he finally understood that a good running game would take the pressure off of him--he didn't always need to be superman.  Terrel Davis (and a good D) was instrumental in Elway getting his rings.

Edited January 23 by TPS

[JimmyNoodles]

I'm not sure the comparisons fit your argument.  Reid left Philly without a Super Bowl win.  Dungy was a coaching change in Indy to win a Super Bowl.  Your examples fit changing coaches not maintaing the status quo.    

[Mikie2times]

Manning was as trash as it gets in the playoffs and Reid was able to get past the divisional round. What is the point of this?

[HomeskillitMoorman]

1 hour ago, TPS said:

@H2o Peyton is the right comparison because he had to deal with beating Brady. However, I also think about Elway winning in his 30s when he finally understood that a good running game would take the pressure off of hi--he didn't always need to be superman.  Terrel Davis (and a good D) was instrumental in Elway getting his rings.

 

Peyton only had to face Brady twice in his first 8 seasons before he finally won in year 9. He actually had some really bad postseason performances up until then. 

 

That's why I don't see this as comparable. Outside of the Bengals game, Josh has been really good and at times lights out and legendary in the playoffs...and we're still losing. Peyton was moreso himself getting over the hump...ours is a different battle in having a head coach that is completely in over his head. 

[zow2]

4 hours ago, H2o said:

Also, seeing that video of the fans screaming at Gabe Davis didn't sit right with me either. Yeah, we all have our gripes about the guy, but have some respect and some class. It was just a bad look. 

 

I really want to go at it with the morons that are shouting out to Gabe Davis or who get into it with Bills players on social media.  Pisses me off.   That video clip has been posted all over various social media and other fans message boards. Just makes the entire Bills fan base look like absolute losers.

[djp14150]

Kelly took to 7th season to make thr SB post drsft year.

 

2024  is JA 7 th season post draft