LABILLBACKER Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 hours ago, SCBills said: -WC Loss to the Houston Texans. We weren't ready. Second half collapse, but Year 2 Josh Allen. Not the end of the world. -AFC Championship Game vs KC. Defense was handed an early lead and proceeded to lay an egg. But hey, we're making strides and weren't ready for that moment. But we're on the right track. -AFC Divisional Game vs KC. 13 seconds. Abject failure that falls directly on the coaching. We'll apparently never know where the disconnect was in those final moments, but ok. -AFC Divisional Game at home vs CIN. No show all around. Damar Hamlin, mental exhaustion... ok. Fine. -AFC Divisional Game at home vs KC. Defense is an absolute dumpster fire. McDermott leading that Defense. But we have injuries, so... Spags had injuries too, and managed to make life difficult in that second half, but ok... Playoff wins over Miami with a backup QB, Pittsburgh with a backup QB, Baltimore, New England and Indianapolis. Every year, aside from 13 seconds, he's had a valid excuse. First two years, building, making strides... But then 13 seconds happened, and our Defense has been an absolute liability against the Bengals and Chiefs. He gets next year, I'm sure, but there can't be anymore excuses. Valid or not.. he's used all of them up. We talk about needing luck yet NE ran the AFC for a decade + and now KC is doing the same. It's not luck, as much as we want to pretend it is. And when we watch Allen play Mahomes.. it's not the QB. So what is it? Rhetorical question, because we all know.. and he's out of excuses. Valid or not. You can't have one every year. It will be a cold day in hell when Sean McDermott runs out of excuses. Just another playoff exit where HIS defense let's down Josh. Next year will be the same and the year after that. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 hours ago, BBFL said: I’ve said this before, the wins McD has in the playoffs aren’t that great… A Phillip Rivers led Colts team who literally gave the game away. Baltimore Ravens, needed an insane 99 yard pick-6 for a win. The other 3 wins are now: Barely beating Skylar Thompson and the Fish. Blowing out Mac Jones and the Cheats. Beating an injured Steeler team on their 3rd string QB… Guy just can’t beat the quality teams when it matters. After all, Andy Reid did give him the foot in the door of his NFL coaching career… maybe student can’t beat the master? Have no problem with McD back next year, he has this team as a success. Just won’t be expecting anything other than one and done. I've said for some time that if you truly put this teams 'success' under the microscope and take an objective, unbiased look at the situation that you'll probably realize that it's very hollow. The biggest of them all winning (now) four straight division titles in which the only real threat has been a soft Dolphins team also ravaged by injuries the last 2 years. In fact going back to 2020, this team almost lost to a washed Phillip Rivers in the wildcard round and probably would have if not for some favorable calls in that game. Other than that they have beat up on nothing but trash in the postseason just like a lot of their regular season wins through the years. Until a true 'wartime' coach is in the Buffalo nothing will change. 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 5 hours ago, SCBills said: -WC Loss to the Houston Texans. We weren't ready. Second half collapse, but Year 2 Josh Allen. Not the end of the world. -AFC Championship Game vs KC. Defense was handed an early lead and proceeded to lay an egg. But hey, we're making strides and weren't ready for that moment. But we're on the right track. -AFC Divisional Game vs KC. 13 seconds. Abject failure that falls directly on the coaching. We'll apparently never know where the disconnect was in those final moments, but ok. -AFC Divisional Game at home vs CIN. No show all around. Damar Hamlin, mental exhaustion... ok. Fine. -AFC Divisional Game at home vs KC. Defense is an absolute dumpster fire. McDermott leading that Defense. But we have injuries, so... Spags had injuries too, and managed to make life difficult in that second half, but ok... Playoff wins over Miami with a backup QB, Pittsburgh with a backup QB, Baltimore, New England and Indianapolis. Every year, aside from 13 seconds, he's had a valid excuse. First two years, building, making strides... But then 13 seconds happened, and our Defense has been an absolute liability against the Bengals and Chiefs. He gets next year, I'm sure, but there can't be anymore excuses. Valid or not.. he's used all of them up. We talk about needing luck yet NE ran the AFC for a decade + and now KC is doing the same. It's not luck, as much as we want to pretend it is. And when we watch Allen play Mahomes.. it's not the QB. So what is it? Rhetorical question, because we all know.. and he's out of excuses. Valid or not. You can't have one every year. Why does McDermott necessarily get another year? Nick Siriani, less than 12 months removed from a Super Bowl appearance, is on thin ice in Philly. Why is it inconceivable that McDermott gets canned after four straight years of failing to capitalize on the most dynamic QB in the league--maybe even in league history? Edited January 22 by mannc 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Tough loss to swallow but I felt it coming. We got several lucky bounces to have been that close at the end Defense was toast and once again Chiefs made adjustments in the 2nd half and we did not What sucks is Mahomes didnt even play particularly well and we still were short 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, FilthyBeast said: I've said for some time that if you truly put this teams 'success' under the microscope and take an objective, unbiased look at the situation that you'll probably realize that it's very hollow. The biggest of them all winning (now) four straight division titles in which the only real threat has been a soft Dolphins team also ravaged by injuries the last 2 years. In fact going back to 2020, this team almost lost to a washed Phillip Rivers in the wildcard round and probably would have if not for some favorable calls in that game. Other than that they have beat up on nothing but trash in the postseason just like a lot of their regular season wins through the years. Until a true 'wartime' coach is in the Buffalo nothing will change. This reflects the prevailing wisdom in the national media regarding the Bills...we might not like it, but it's hard to refute it: "Josh Allen is amazing but the team around him is not good enough." Last night was Exhibit A for that argument. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 5 hours ago, BigDingus said: Let's not forget Andy Reid's playoff history before Mahomes. How many NFC playoff games did he lose with those Eagles teams? Then a few more with the Chiefs. It took him a long, long time to get where he is now. McDermott doesn't have the wins now, but Reid made the playoffs a dozen times before getting over the hump (yes, he did make a SB appearance with the Eagles once too). Reid finally got himself a great DC. That’s all he did. We can’t be great on defense because our HC is the DC and it’s his fatally flawed scheme. There is no way to follow what Reid did. Reid lost in Philly because of Jim Johnson and McD. Those defenses were shredded when the playoffs began. He also had bad end of game management like McD. Jim Johnson was known for having good regular season defense that folded in the playoffs. Sound familiar? In KC, it was the same thing. Bad defenses. Then it became bad QB, until he drafted Mahomes. If you gave Reid McD and his defense, he would still be blowing games just like he always was. Point is, our problem is on McD’s side of the ball. The only way to fix it would be by demoting himself and hiring a DC with a new scheme. That wasn’t the case for Andy Reid. If McD wants a future at HC, he will have to turn that side of the ball over to someone else. That will be his Andy Reid moment that could change his trajectory. Edited January 22 by Governor 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 5 hours ago, SCBills said: -WC Loss to the Houston Texans. We weren't ready. Second half collapse, but Year 2 Josh Allen. Not the end of the world. -AFC Championship Game vs KC. Defense was handed an early lead and proceeded to lay an egg. But hey, we're making strides and weren't ready for that moment. But we're on the right track. -AFC Divisional Game vs KC. 13 seconds. Abject failure that falls directly on the coaching. We'll apparently never know where the disconnect was in those final moments, but ok. -AFC Divisional Game at home vs CIN. No show all around. Damar Hamlin, mental exhaustion... ok. Fine. -AFC Divisional Game at home vs KC. Defense is an absolute dumpster fire. McDermott leading that Defense. But we have injuries, so... Spags had injuries too, and managed to make life difficult in that second half, but ok... Playoff wins over Miami with a backup QB, Pittsburgh with a backup QB, Baltimore, New England and Indianapolis. Every year, aside from 13 seconds, he's had a valid excuse. First two years, building, making strides... But then 13 seconds happened, and our Defense has been an absolute liability against the Bengals and Chiefs. He gets next year, I'm sure, but there can't be anymore excuses. Valid or not.. he's used all of them up. We talk about needing luck yet NE ran the AFC for a decade + and now KC is doing the same. It's not luck, as much as we want to pretend it is. And when we watch Allen play Mahomes.. it's not the QB. So what is it? Rhetorical question, because we all know.. and he's out of excuses. Valid or not. You can't have one every year. McDermott is going into next having to adjust and trust younger players/rookies more and he will need to change his thinking about having guys on the roster that are just on the team for special teams. Outside of the punter/kicker and long snapper we cannot keep guys unless they are capable of contributing on both regular offence and defence Two years in a row we went into a game very thin on defence because of injuries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 5 hours ago, SCBills said: -WC Loss to the Houston Texans. We weren't ready. Second half collapse, but Year 2 Josh Allen. Not the end of the world. -AFC Championship Game vs KC. Defense was handed an early lead and proceeded to lay an egg. But hey, we're making strides and weren't ready for that moment. But we're on the right track. -AFC Divisional Game vs KC. 13 seconds. Abject failure that falls directly on the coaching. We'll apparently never know where the disconnect was in those final moments, but ok. -AFC Divisional Game at home vs CIN. No show all around. Damar Hamlin, mental exhaustion... ok. Fine. -AFC Divisional Game at home vs KC. Defense is an absolute dumpster fire. McDermott leading that Defense. But we have injuries, so... Spags had injuries too, and managed to make life difficult in that second half, but ok... Playoff wins over Miami with a backup QB, Pittsburgh with a backup QB, Baltimore, New England and Indianapolis. Every year, aside from 13 seconds, he's had a valid excuse. First two years, building, making strides... But then 13 seconds happened, and our Defense has been an absolute liability against the Bengals and Chiefs. He gets next year, I'm sure, but there can't be anymore excuses. Valid or not.. he's used all of them up. We talk about needing luck yet NE ran the AFC for a decade + and now KC is doing the same. It's not luck, as much as we want to pretend it is. And when we watch Allen play Mahomes.. it's not the QB. So what is it? Rhetorical question, because we all know.. and he's out of excuses. Valid or not. You can't have one every year. I was with you on your other post but this one is back to the same old nonsense. I won't even count the first 2 playoff losses here, although I do think he did a couple of stupid things vs the Texans. But fine, whatever, it was early on. AFCCG his D got lit up and he went ultra conservative with his punts and FG on 4th and shorts in favorable positions while his D was getting blown away. Not a valid excuse for him personally. Not saying the players are exempt from accountability, but this is a post about evaluating McD and he was horrible in that game himself. And if you remember the Colts game, we needed a superhero effort from Josh because McD's defense had a ton of trouble against Rivers and Reich/Sirianni's scheme and we also got a couple of gift decisions from our guy Frank. We all know 13 seconds. Completely, 100% on him. And even earlier in that game in the 1st half we went pretty conservative against a KC secondary that had injuries. He again had trouble breaking out of his in-born conservatism. Last year his D still got smoked. Josh's worst postseason game for sure, would've been tough to win regardless. But again, this is an evaluation of him, and his side of the team and his D dropped the ball once again. And we almost lost to Skylar Thompson before that. Last night - D was awful once again. Terrible call and design on the fake punt and everyone knew it was coming when we could see the confusion and where Damar was pretty much gave it away...and he still pulled the trigger on it. If we're gonna go for it right there, just give it to Josh or you have to have something much better in place. These are not valid excuses. On a sole evaluation of him, he has been incredibly awful in the postseason. He doesn't put in the work to improve himself. I know you're saying you want him gone and I agree...but this is still going way too soft on a guy that has nothing to offer or bring to the table and has buried us. 11 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said: Tough loss to swallow but I felt it coming. We got several lucky bounces to have been that close at the end Defense was toast and once again Chiefs made adjustments in the 2nd half and we did not What sucks is Mahomes didnt even play particularly well and we still were short Yup. Allen was great and had to leave his heart out there. Mahomes was solid and that was enough. And that's always going to be the case with McD here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 His defense is awful every damn year in the playoffs. And clearly he can't hire a competent conditioning staff to reduce injuries. What do you expect? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 If McDermott had Milano, Bernard and a healthy Douglas I think he has a shot to win the game with that game plan. The defense and special teams were not playoff caliber. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
<bills4life> Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 55 minutes ago, mannc said: This reflects the prevailing wisdom in the national media regarding the Bills...we might not like it, but it's hard to refute it: "Josh Allen is amazing but the team around him is not good enough." Last night was Exhibit A for that argument. Exhibit A? More like exhibit F. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 hours ago, mannc said: This reflects the prevailing wisdom in the national media regarding the Bills...we might not like it, but it's hard to refute it: "Josh Allen is amazing but the team around him is not good enough." Last night was Exhibit A for that argument. Agree 100% and that's why it's funny when fans cry about the lack of pro bowl selections every year. Beane and McD have accumulated a lot of very solid NFL starters, role players, depth etc. But where they have fallen way short outside of JA17, is other elite game changers like the team they lost for now the 3rd time in the game that actually matters category. Take a look at Chris Jones last night, didn't necessarily have a monster game on the stat sheet but made the low key biggest play of the game when he hit Allen and disrupted what in all likelihood was going to be the go ahead TD for the Bills, and maybe game winning TD if they somehow stop Mahomes next. Ed Oliver was much better this year but has still been invisible in the playoffs like a lot of these other guys (including Milano who some fans really think would have made a difference last night despite also being a playoff no show his entire career). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madbillsfan Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 McClappy has a huge ego that is hidden very well unless your paying attention. He wants his defense to outshine the offense hence why Josh had been handcuffed and the defense is rarely at fault at the press conferences by the “coach” after games. He has easily blamed the offense when mistakes were made yet the defense continues to let us down in the postseason. He rarely beats upper tier qbs. He is a legend in his own mind. He has too much power and that’s why we draft defensive players more than weapons our generational talent at qb can use. Next years excuse will be we have no money/cap hell. ***** this guy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 McDimwit almost always gets out-adjusted. It happened again yesterday. The running game was working great in the 1st half. Reid adjusted. McD did not. It cost us the game. Imagine if we don't get that touchback fumble recovery. This game ends up more like the '20 game @ KC. Horrific judgement in letting Hamlin run that fake punt. Bet the farm that we lose again next season in the Divisional Round. It's McD's specialty, even against lesser teams. At least we won the Regular Season for the fourth season in a row. Regardless of what they do in the offseason, my enthusiasm that we'll do anything come playoff time is practically nil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 You know I really hate to say this but I do not think Josh will ever be lucky to taste the superbowl much like Dan Marino - we just won’t get it done for him next year new coach will come in Rebuild and make another last ditch run and fall short Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 8 hours ago, SCBills said: -WC Loss to the Houston Texans. We weren't ready. Second half collapse, but Year 2 Josh Allen. Not the end of the world. -AFC Championship Game vs KC. Defense was handed an early lead and proceeded to lay an egg. But hey, we're making strides and weren't ready for that moment. But we're on the right track. -AFC Divisional Game vs KC. 13 seconds. Abject failure that falls directly on the coaching. We'll apparently never know where the disconnect was in those final moments, but ok. -AFC Divisional Game at home vs CIN. No show all around. Damar Hamlin, mental exhaustion... ok. Fine. -AFC Divisional Game at home vs KC. Defense is an absolute dumpster fire. McDermott leading that Defense. But we have injuries, so... Spags had injuries too, and managed to make life difficult in that second half, but ok... Playoff wins over Miami with a backup QB, Pittsburgh with a backup QB, Baltimore, New England and Indianapolis. Every year, aside from 13 seconds, he's had a valid excuse. First two years, building, making strides... But then 13 seconds happened, and our Defense has been an absolute liability against the Bengals and Chiefs. He gets next year, I'm sure, but there can't be anymore excuses. Valid or not.. he's used all of them up. We talk about needing luck yet NE ran the AFC for a decade + and now KC is doing the same. It's not luck, as much as we want to pretend it is. And when we watch Allen play Mahomes.. it's not the QB. So what is it? Rhetorical question, because we all know.. and he's out of excuses. Valid or not. You can't have one every year. Spot on but why should he get next year when this year has such an elite class of coaches available? Josh is ready raring to go. Let’s give him everything he needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 10 hours ago, Buffalo03 said: Andy Reid went to 5 championship games and a Super Bowl in Philly. He just got unlucky in those championship games. The guy went to 4 in a row there, I believe. We can't even get that. The guy also had tons of success with Alex Smith. He was still better than McDermott at this point. It's not like Mahomes made Reid Are Championship games the goal? Losing one game later is the goal? "He just got unlucky..." You could say the same thing about McDermott 10 years from now! Do you remember all of those games? Do you remember every call he made? He kept losing is the point. And one thing he wasn't up against - one of the great QBs of all time in his prime. McDermott has a bigger hurdle than Reid faced. To all those people that blindly think "making the NFC championship 5 times & losing" is somehow better, how is this better? - Lost in 2001 to the Rams 29-24 - Lost in 2002 to the Bucs 27 - 10 - Lost in 2003 to the Panthers 14-3 - Lost in 2008 to the Cardinals 32 - 25 Different QBs every time, while losing earlier than the NFCCG every other time. The Bills lost to the Chiefs dynasty, and the same QB 3 times now. Every team that beat Reid & the Eagles lost in the Super Bowl. The team beating the Bills won 2 x Super Bowls already, could do it a 3rd time this year. And don't give me "the teams that beat him went on to the Super Bowl!" - Yeah, no s***. It's the conference championship game, that's how it works. If the Chiefs win the SB this year, did McDermott get "unlucky" again meeting the Chiefs in the divisional round? Point is Reid had a top QB in the conference, and each year lost out to a one & done SB loser 4 times. He made it to a SB once, but then got "unlucky" playing Tom Brady & the Pats. But we're in the middle of the new dynasty's run, yet acting like we're losing to nobodies. Edited January 23 by BigDingus 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 12 minutes ago, BigDingus said: Are Championship games the goal? Losing one game later is the goal? "He just got unlucky..." You could say the same thing about McDermott 10 years from now! Do you remember all of those games? Do you remember every call he made? He kept losing is the point. And one thing he wasn't up against - one of the great QBs of all time in his prime. McDermott has a bigger hurdle than Reid faced. To all those people that blindly think "making the NFC championship 5 times & losing" is somehow better, how is this better? - Lost in 2001 to the Rams 29-24 - Lost in 2002 to the Bucs 27 - 10 - Lost in 2003 to the Panthers 14-3 - Lost in 2008 to the Cardinals 32 - 25 Different QBs every time, while losing earlier than the NFCCG every other time. The Bills lost to the Chiefs dynasty, and the same QB 3 times now. Every team that beat Reid & the Eagles lost in the Super Bowl. The team beating the Bills won 2 x Super Bowls already, could do it a 3rd time this year. And don't give me "the teams that beat him went on to the Super Bowl!" - Yeah, no s***. It's the conference championship game, that's how it works. If the Chiefs win the SB this year, did McDermott get "unlucky" again meeting the Chiefs in the divisional round? Point is Reid had a top QB in the conference, and each year lost out to a one & done SB loser 4 times. He made it to a SB once, but then got "unlucky" playing Tom Brady & the Pats. But we're in the middle of the new dynasty's run, yet acting like we're losing to nobodies. No one said that championship games were the goal. The point is, the guy had more success with Mediocre QBs than McDermott has had with a generational QB. He made 5 NFC championship games and a Super Bowl with McNabb who was average. He had playoff success with Alex Smith who was even farther below McNabb. He still had a ton of success. In my opinion, he may be the best coach in NFL history. Belichick hasn't done a damn thing without Brady going back to his days in Cleveland and Reid had multiple playoff seasons and a Super appearance without Mahomes. Edited January 23 by Buffalo03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 11 hours ago, BigDingus said: Let's not forget Andy Reid's playoff history before Mahomes. How many NFC playoff games did he lose with those Eagles teams? Then a few more with the Chiefs. It took him a long, long time to get where he is now. McDermott doesn't have the wins now, but Reid made the playoffs a dozen times before getting over the hump (yes, he did make a SB appearance with the Eagles once too). How many championship games did Reid lose after he got his first generational talent at QB? Since Mahomes is in his 6th straight championship game, this should not be hard to figure out. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 In our three playoff losses vs kc McDermott vaunted defense has forced a total of 4 PUNTS 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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