Gregg Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 20 hours ago, BBFL said: I’ve said this before, the wins McD has in the playoffs aren’t that great… A Phillip Rivers led Colts team who literally gave the game away. Baltimore Ravens, needed an insane 99 yard pick-6 for a win. The other 3 wins are now: Barely beating Skylar Thompson and the Fish. Blowing out Mac Jones and the Cheats. Beating an injured Steeler team on their 3rd string QB… Guy just can’t beat the quality teams when it matters. After all, Andy Reid did give him the foot in the door of his NFL coaching career… maybe student can’t beat the master? Have no problem with McD back next year, he has this team as a success. Just won’t be expecting anything other than one and done. Why would you have no problem with it. I do. We will be wasting another year of Allen's prime. As fans our opinions are meaningless, but Terry better realize it will be much harder to sell tickets in the new stadium at those increased prices and PSL fees if the team is declining. The new stadium will buy him a year or two since everyone will be curious to check the new place out. But after that hello empty seats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 21 hours ago, warrior9 said: We will never win a SB with McDermott as our coach, it's as simple as that. This. ^^^^ McClapper is a decent HC, who will get the max out of his players during the Regular Season. But,when the going gets tough and the stiff teams have been eliminated, McD is revealed as ordinary and incapable of imparting critical close out strategies! I could never forgive him for the impossibly inept job of 13 seconds. And then on Sunday, the millions watching that last drive were all on the same page. The only goal is to drive that ball for one more First Down! Multiple things are accomplished. 1) You try and bleed every possible remaining second away from Mahomes. 2) Either 17 runs or short passes to Diggs, Shakir or Kincaid are made with < 30 seconds to go! 3) You never,ever, ever try and score with 1:45 and 2 KC TOs! Your defensive coaching has been a disaster. Your D was a total SIEVE all game, giving up 8.5 yards per touch! 8.5!! McClapper tried to post game deflect his catastrophic coaching failure by saying they stopped KC 4/5 Times on third down. FFS. That’s because they only had FIVE THIRD DOWNS! Knowing that you must,must, must tell Allen,do not go for the TD on Second Down at the 2 minute Warning! Ever. Again he failed… badly. Why Cook and not Allen ran on first down is another mystery and McD failure to grasp what we could all see unfolding before us. 4) And on 3rd Down, you must get closer for your badly challenged FG Kicker. Again, failure. GTG! He just cannot keep up in the big moments! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bill from NYC Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 McDermott was given far too much power upon his arrival, power he didn't deserve nor was he ready for. He proved this by trading away the Mahomes pick (#10). He traded all the way back to 27, was undercompensated, and drafted a cornerback. This, on a team in desperate need of a QB and OL. Even after Beane came in the drafts emphasized defense, and I make the case that McDermott is in charge. I have said before that I believe that McDermott has the power to fire Beane. Tell me, who do you think fired our OC and Frazier? Beane? McDermott would more than likely make a good head coach on a team that did not give him full control. He has come a long way since he was fired by the Eagles in 2011, but; he started out on the wrong foot with the Bills and is not what this team needs to go too the next level. As always, jmo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMontreal Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said: This. ^^^^ McClapper is a decent HC, who will get the max out of his players during the Regular Season. But,when the going gets tough and the stiff teams have been eliminated, McD is revealed as ordinary and incapable of imparting critical close out strategies! I could never forgive him for the impossibly inept job of 13 seconds. And then on Sunday, the millions watching that last drive were all on the same page. The only goal is to drive that ball for one more First Down! Multiple things are accomplished. 1) You try and bleed every possible remaining second away from Mahomes. 2) Either 17 runs or short passes to Diggs, Shakir or Kincaid are made with < 30 seconds to go! 3) You never,ever, ever try and score with 1:45 and 2 KC TOs! Your defensive coaching has been a disaster. Your D was a total SIEVE all game, giving up 8.5 yards per touch! 8.5!! McClapper tried to post game deflect his catastrophic coaching failure by saying they stopped KC 4/5 Times on third down. FFS. That’s because they only had FIVE THIRD DOWNS! Knowing that you must,must, must tell Allen,do not go for the TD on Second Down at the 2 minute Warning! Ever. Again he failed… badly. Why Cook and not Allen ran on first down is another mystery and McD failure to grasp what we could all see unfolding before us. 4) And on 3rd Down, you must get closer for your badly challenged FG Kicker. Again, failure. GTG! He just cannot keep up in the big moments! Some Teams have an Elite HC with a game manager at QB...some others like the Bills have an Elite QB and and a good HC at best. With an Elite HC, Allen has a SB ring. I'm pretty sure about that. It is what it is. I like Mcdermott. I like the man. He works hard, he wants to win. He did the best he can do with what he is as a HC. By example, i also really liked Tyrod Taylor. He took care of the ball and did the best he can do with what he was as a QB. It's all about the owner. It's all about what he really wants. Today, we hide the 5-6 record in playoffs by our number of wins in season. In the real world, in playoff, we won against... -An old Rivers and the Colts -the Phins with a no-name at QB, -the Pats and MacJones (the best game on offense i see in a long time), -the Steelers and Rudolph -Jackson and the Ravens (a real good game for Mcdermott). That's all. It is the best we can do with our Elite QB. It's not good enough. Absolutely not. Sometimes, i feel like we are afraid to be better. We're afraid to take any risk. It has to be that 17 years. We want to win but we dont think as a winner. It's like we're good and it's enough. I can deal with it. It's fun to watch. But, we have to say it like it is. Mcdermott will clearly be there next year. I will root for him. I'm just a fan and i will hope i am wrong again next year. I still wish we can win with this HC. If it's fair, for him and all the Bills fans, we will. Then i dont think we'll win only because it should be fair. It's not a story. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryMadman Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 9 hours ago, Billever76 said: In our three playoff losses vs kc McDermott vaunted defense has forced a total of 4 PUNTS That is just one of the many fireable offenses that are on McD resume. I just don't understand what it will take for McD to be relieved of his duties as the incompetence he has shown at time seem to go unnoticed, why. I have to believe Terry has to to be somewhat irritated at the way things have ended the past few years, I also have to believe he has had convorsations with people close to him about what should be done. I can't believe he just accepts these failures and looks the other way, I don't believe that. His hiring and firing of GMs and coaches with the Sabres suggest he in fact does pay attention and wants better. This is a perfect year for change with some of the names out there. Man this is depressing being a Bills fan knowing the teams fate year after year if nothing happens. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 McDermott is the Marvin Lewis of Marty Schottenheimers. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 It COULD fail miserably... but I'm willing to risk bringing Belichick in here. The chances of him winning a SB with Allen are higher than with the current staff 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 McD played SAFE??? What? That (horrible) fake punt was playing safe? Instead of running at the end to at least wind down the clock, they went for passes, for the TD. It failed, but that's not playing safe! That narrative has got to go. Chiefs did more tweaking in the 2nd half, and yes I do feel they were coached better, but you guys act like the Bills were blown out. Did McD dropped passes, did he miss the field goal? I am NOT saying he is the answer. I too feel sometimes he is not clutch and might be very good but not great. But he IS very good. Nothing like your own fanbase to find all the faults of their own players and coaches, while thinking other coaches and players are so awesome. Just like a nagging wife. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 4 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: McD played SAFE??? What? That (horrible) fake punt was playing safe? Instead of running at the end to at least wind down the clock, they went for passes, for the TD. It failed, but that's not playing safe! That narrative has got to go. Chiefs did more tweaking in the 2nd half, and yes I do feel they were coached better, but you guys act like the Bills were blown out. Did McD dropped passes, did he miss the field goal? I am NOT saying he is the answer. I too feel sometimes he is not clutch and might be very good but not great. But he IS very good. Nothing like your own fanbase to find all the faults of their own players and coaches, while thinking other coaches and players are so awesome. Just like a nagging wife. Allen's legs on every play after the 2 minute warning was the answer. 90% chance of running the clock down and scoring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phypon Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Jerome007 said: McD played SAFE??? What? That (horrible) fake punt was playing safe? Instead of running at the end to at least wind down the clock, they went for passes, for the TD. It failed, but that's not playing safe! That narrative has got to go. Chiefs did more tweaking in the 2nd half, and yes I do feel they were coached better, but you guys act like the Bills were blown out. Did McD dropped passes, did he miss the field goal? I am NOT saying he is the answer. I too feel sometimes he is not clutch and might be very good but not great. But he IS very good. Nothing like your own fanbase to find all the faults of their own players and coaches, while thinking other coaches and players are so awesome. Just like a nagging wife. I've listened to some call in shows and other content not affiliated with the Buffalo area, people that are fans of other teams sharing their opinion about the game and the Bills. Consensus is that he needs to go. Not only that, with the past playoff performance over the last few years, they see the Bills as mediocre and wasting Allen's talent and attribute it to coaching. It basically feels like a couple of years ago the Bills had respect and now they are looked at with a "lol" mentality and perennial division or wild card bouncers. The fake punt wasn't "aggressive", it was stupid. Callers have laughed at that play and stated that if you're going to go for it, put the ball in Allen's hands. I wouldn't call it aggressive, it was dumb, just dumb. With regard to the clock, if the plan was to run out the clock, why go for the TD? Are you running out the clock or are you going for the score regardless of the clock? Instead of picking one he tried to do both. That makes no sense to me. So he tried to run the clock yet was fine giving KC 2:00 for the go ahead score when they were moving the ball at will? Maybe it's me, but I just can't wrap my head around what the point or intent of that plan was. I'm just making a rant, nothing against your post. I can see how it can look aggressive, but in reality, it really looks more like confusion and stupidity. I def want this guy gone, especially with the quality of available coaches which does not happen very often to have such high end options. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 6 forced punts in 4 playoff elimination games is the most pathetic stat I could possibly imagine for a defensive minded coach. I don't even know where to begin with that number when I herd it this morning. 1 turnover in 3 playoff games vs Chiefs and that was the fumble out of the endzone that just happened. What exactly is this guy good at if he has zero answers in the playoffs. I still can't believe that statistic is real... 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 6 hours ago, Man with No Name said: Brady's offense is a reflection of what mcdermott is asking him to do. it's this "complimentary football" nonsense. basing so many of our calls on burning clock instead of going with highest percentage plays from down to down. ESPECIALLY when you are losing. and the fake punt was incredibly stupid. people understand being aggressive. but asking DAMAR HAMLIN to make a play is a non-starter. There is nothing we did against the Chiefs that was conservative. Literally nothing. In fact, every play people are mad about were plays we were aggressive lmao including the fake punt you are complaining about, which was stupid, but also the polar opposite of conservative. So be mad at McD all you want, but to sit here and complain about us being too conservative vs KC is the equivalent of going outside and claiming the sky is orange instead of blue. Edited January 23 by Alphadawg7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessImproverMan Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Mahomes has never been sacked or intercepted by the Bills defense in a playoff game. Anyone who defends McDermott as a good coach after this fact is an idiot. While we had injuries at linebacker, we had two first round picks chosen by McDermott playing defensive line as well as a highly paid free agent he brought in who all failed to sack Mahomes. Premium capital he chose with Beane to invest in a line that failed. Poyer and Hyde were two other McDermott choices who failed to stop Kelce from repeatedly running wide open and failed to make Ints. McDermott is Schottenheimer 2.0. His defenses feast on bad teams. Fail in key playoff games. Allen continues to break NFL records and have near perfect to perfect statistical playoff games and cannot beat the Chiefs because McDermott cannot coach a defense well enough when he is handed so much privilege and power with that side of the ball compared to the offense. Dude should be fired but we have an owner who is apparently an anti American terrorist sympathizer (see McDermotts quotes on 9/11). We need a true American patriot like Bill Belichick to coach us who can coach. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 23 hours ago, BigDingus said: Let's not forget Andy Reid's playoff history before Mahomes. How many NFC playoff games did he lose with those Eagles teams? Then a few more with the Chiefs. It took him a long, long time to get where he is now. McDermott doesn't have the wins now, but Reid made the playoffs a dozen times before getting over the hump (yes, he did make a SB appearance with the Eagles once too). McDermott has his Mahomes in Allen. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryMadman Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: McDermott is the Marvin Lewis of Marty Schottenheimers. McDermott is worse for the simple fact he has Josh freaking Allen and Lewis and Schotts didn't. So essentially Lewis and Schotts did more with less. The choice is simple, can't keep McD. Edited January 23 by LarryMadman 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 hours ago, Gregg said: Why would you have no problem with it. I do. We will be wasting another year of Allen's prime. As fans our opinions are meaningless, but Terry better realize it will be much harder to sell tickets in the new stadium at those increased prices and PSL fees if the team is declining. The new stadium will buy him a year or two since everyone will be curious to check the new place out. But after that hello empty seats. Would I rather move on? Yes. Rebuilding a coaching landscape here would be the best option. But there are certainly reasons and circumstances that mitigate him for a return… I don’t know, given where we were at mid season, ended up the #2 and how he had guys playing well who were in and out of the lineup I give him some for. Giving him one more year is due to the fact of what he’s done; completely turned a club around that is now consistently in the playoffs we just haven’t got it done. If history repeats itself then you part ways. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phypon Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, BBFL said: Would I rather move on? Yes. Rebuilding a coaching landscape here would be the best option. But there are certainly reasons and circumstances that mitigate him for a return… I don’t know, given where we were at mid season, ended up the #2 and how he had guys playing well who were in and out of the lineup I give him some for. Giving him one more year is due to the fact of what he’s done; completely turned a club around that is now consistently in the playoffs we just haven’t got it done. If history repeats itself then you part ways. Valid points, but I think (and from what many others have said) is that the crop of available replacements this year contains proven, heavy hitters. Who knows what the coaching crop will look like next year. In my opinion, why wait til next year with the options available. If you give hime one more year, you may as well give him 2 or 3 or 4. I think that is what is adding a lot of fuel to the already burning fire. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 8 minutes ago, BBFL said: Would I rather move on? Yes. Rebuilding a coaching landscape here would be the best option. But there are certainly reasons and circumstances that mitigate him for a return… I don’t know, given where we were at mid season, ended up the #2 and how he had guys playing well who were in and out of the lineup I give him some for. Giving him one more year is due to the fact of what he’s done; completely turned a club around that is now consistently in the playoffs we just haven’t got it done. If history repeats itself then you part ways. Good points but there are a lot of good coaches available now. The playoff failures have gotten old. Who knows what coaches will be available next year. Sean is a good coach in that he changed the culture here. A lot of regular season winning with division titles. But it is reasonable for Bills fans to want the organization to move on from him given the playoff failures. He has been here 7 years, and he still can't get them over the hump. I expect he will remain HC as I doubt Terry fires him but another playoff failure next year and I could see changes. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) Anyone listen to Jeremy and Joe this morning on WGR? Jeremy had the Bills Defensive stats in their last 4 Playoff losses and good grief! I knew it was not good. But it's so far beyond bad it's laughable... 16 TD's, one turnover and 6 total punts in the last 4 Playoff losses... 3.52 points per drive... 3.9 if you take out the 4 end of half/end of game nothing drives. It's tough to find PPD stats online. I did find a tweet from Jan 4th saying the Cardinals were last in the NFL in PPD at 2.5 and the Seahawks were 29th at 2.2 PPD... I totally get it was 3 Mahomes and a Burrow... But two of those were Home games... It's so very bad... Defensive Head Coach... Edited January 23 by KOKBILLS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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