So we're firing McD, right?

[Bill51390]

No way McDermott is fired. We went from 6-6 to AFCE champs and #2 seed, all after firing our OC. The defense was absolutely decimated by injuries. Healthy defense Bills beat the Chiefs no doubt. Question should be, will Brady be back. He did a good job, the running game improved. The passing game declined. Don’t feel he was utilizing Diggs correctly. Allen played better down the stretch, but I don’t think that was Brady’s doing. In an interview on McAfee, I think it was Morse who said that after they fell to 6-6 Mcdermott basically just cut the team lose and told them not to worry about mistakes and to just go out their and play. Morse said it took the pressure off the players. 
 

This told me that Allen was being held back until it was loose and over time. Which I get to an extent, they don’t want him to get hurt. But I don’t care anymore, just let Allen be him. We need to play with the heart that this team played with after we fell to 6-6 every damn game. Hopefully Mcdermott learned from that and doesn’t hold these guys back again. 
 

The focus now needs to be, get the best option for OC in here. Get a legit deep threat. Improve the pass rush and get our Poyer and Hyde replacements. 

[ngbills]

Nearly every loss this year it was the D letting the team down in big spots. That is McD. 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

Why did he choose to go toward the windier side of the field in the 4th quarter? That was a weird decision. 

[Thrivefourfive]

That’s a confirmative, OP

[TheFunPolice]

There will never be a window to fire him because with Allen he will consistently win enough to make the playoffs.

 

Therefore, this team will need to find a way to win with him at HC. You could do worse, I guess.

 

 

[Chugga]

The biggest falsehood is the fact that people will relate Brady vs Manning as Mahomes vs Allen so the narrative is we are just waiting for Allen to break through like Manning did.

 

But it wasn’t just Brady vs Manning.  It was Belicheck vs Dungy.  And sadly Reid vs McDermott is an unfair fight.

[chongli]

 

[GASabresIUFan]

4 minutes ago, Chugga said:

And sadly Reid vs McDermott is an unfair fight.

Do you think that is what they said in Philly about Andy Reid?  Do you think thought Reid was the best coach in the NFL when they ran him out of town like the poeple here are attempting to do with McD?

 

 

[benderbender]

It’s never his fault is it? No answers to 13 seconds or Cincinnati. Frazier was maybe fired? Or he left? Or he took money to not be DC? Everyone was just hurt so we couldn’t play defense for 3 1/2 quarters? He even said himself that he thought a fake freaking punt would keep his crappy D off the field! THAT is what you want again? More non-answers? 

[Governor]

Just now, benderbender said:

It’s never his fault is it? No answers to 13 seconds or Cincinnati. Frazier was maybe fired? Or he left? Or he took money to not be DC? Everyone was just hurt so we couldn’t play defense for 3 1/2 quarters? He even said himself that he thought a fake freaking punt would keep his crappy D off the field! THAT is what you want again? More non-answers? 

The defensive guru didn’t want his defense on the field.

[Chugga]

Just now, GASabresIUFan said:

Do you think that is what they said in Philly about Andy Reid?  Do you think thought Reid was the best coach in the NFL when they ran him out of town like the poeple here are attempting to do with McD?

 

 

Andy wasn’t the best coach in the NFL when they fired him.  He was stagnant and had hit his ceiling in Philly.  So yes I’m sure it’s exactly what they said.  They got rid of him and won a Super Bowl.

[LarryMadman]

Can't keep going forward with McDummie, it really is that simple.

[billieve420]

5 minutes ago, Bill51390 said:

No way McDermott is fired. We went from 6-6 to AFCE champs and #2 seed, all after firing our OC. The defense was absolutely decimated by injuries. Healthy defense Bills beat the Chiefs no doubt. Question should be, will Brady be back. He did a good job, the running game improved. The passing game declined. Don’t feel he was utilizing Diggs correctly. Allen played better down the stretch, but I don’t think that was Brady’s doing. In an interview on McAfee, I think it was Morse who said that after they fell to 6-6 Mcdermott basically just cut the team lose and told them not to worry about mistakes and to just go out their and play. Morse said it took the pressure off the players. 
 

This told me that Allen was being held back until it was loose and over time. Which I get to an extent, they don’t want him to get hurt. But I don’t care anymore, just let Allen be him. We need to play with the heart that this team played with after we fell to 6-6 every damn game. Hopefully Mcdermott learned from that and doesn’t hold these guys back again. 
 

The focus now needs to be, get the best option for OC in here. Get a legit deep threat. Improve the pass rush and get our Poyer and Hyde replacements. 

I am not handing Brady the job before at least bringing in other candidates for an interview. Blame the personnel but the passing offense has progressively gotten worse since the bye week last season.

[GASabresIUFan]

3 minutes ago, Chugga said:

Andy wasn’t the best coach in the NFL when they fired him.  He was stagnant and had hit his ceiling in Philly.  So yes I’m sure it’s exactly what they said.  They got rid of him and won a Super Bowl.

5 years and two coaches later.

Edited January 22 by GASabresIUFan

[Heavy Kevi]

3 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

 

There it is

 

The rebuttal with no quantifiable metrics, so it can't be proven false.

[Chugga]

Just now, GASabresIUFan said:

5 years later.

Lol you literally used the worst argument you could have.  Andy Reid was a fantastic coach he did a lot to turn around the Eagles and was light years ahead of McDermott as the Eagles were a staple of the NFC championship game.  But he became stagnant.  His approach wasn’t working, he was losing grip of the team and he was deservingly fired.

 

They then WON THE SUPERBOWL.

 

Ask any Philly fan if they think they made the right decision.

[SCBills]

I can’t take him anymore. 
 

There’s always an excuse..

 

-Second half collapse against Houston but we weren’t ready

 

-AFC CG no show against KC but we weren’t ready

 

-Damar Hamlin/Mental Exhaustion last year 

 

-No one has a clue what happened in 13 seconds but apparently he’ll never speak in depth on it, ever

 

-Absolute no show tonight but injuries 

 

So apparently, for this defense to perform in big moments, with a defensive HC, they need to be in a good mental head space and completely healthy.  
 

Then, maybe, we can see what he can do in a big moment.

 

They say you need luck and/or bounces.  Yet NE dominated the AFC and now its KC… just lucky all the time, I guess. 
 

Or maybe Spags adjusted, with injuries as well, and took away our RB run game, forcing Allen to rely on Sherfield and whoever this guy that body snatched Diggs this year is. 
 

….because winning teams have winning coaches. 

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, Chugga said:

Lol you literally used the worst argument you could have.  Andy Reid was a fantastic coach he did a lot to turn around the Eagles and was light years ahead of McDermott as the Eagles were a staple of the NFC championship game.  But he became stagnant.  His approach wasn’t working, he was losing grip of the team and he was deservingly fired.

 

They then WON THE SUPERBOWL.

 

Ask any Philly fan if they think they made the right decision.

They didn't go right from Reid to Pederson. They had two years of Chip Kelly in between.

[Avisan]

Defense got the stops we needed to win the game.

 

Offense couldn't execute when it counted in the last two minutes.  The plays were there to be made, and the players didn't make them.

 

I was stressed on the final drive, as were we all, but the strategy was sound.  It almost worked.  It SHOULD have worked.  Take Diggs underneath on 2nd and 9, choke KC to death with no time left on the clock for the reprisal TD.  It was his best option, and I wish Allen had taken it.  If you take the 30-yard shot there, it needs to be perfect.  He just needed to get the ball in the neighborhood of Diggs, and that's a first down with the clock still running.

Brady understood this.  Manning understood this.  The old guard has commented on the current crop of QBs looking for the big highlight plays and not taking what's there for them to take.  It continues to hold true.

 

I don't blame the loss on Allen.  He played a hell of a game.  There were plenty of things that could have gone differently to make the last few minutes of the game play out differently.  That was his moment to keep slowly driving the dagger in, though, and he went for the quick strike that would leave Patrick Mahomes 1:55 on the clock with 2 TOs and 4-down territory the whole way down the field.  Brady or Manning take Diggs on the crosser, there.  I wish Allen could do the same.

[Freddie's Dead]

You forgot the "Fire him right ***** now!  (and then hang up)" option....

[Heavy Kevi]

2 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

They didn't go right from Reid to Pederson. They had two years of Chip Kelly in between.

 

But they were aggressive enough to keep making changes until it worked

[Dr.Sack]

Can’t cut him. He’s got to defend the AFC East Title. 

[Nklaiste1]

Probably not likely but any chance we could hire Harbaugh? 

[Heavy Kevi]

Just now, Nklaiste1 said:

Probably not likely but any chance we could hire Harbaugh? 

 

Yeah why not?

 

Harbaugh would LOVE to coach Josh Allen

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Avisan said:

Defense got the stops we needed to win the game.

 

Offense couldn't execute when it counted in the last two minutes.  The plays were there to be made, and the players didn't make them.

 

I was stressed on the final drive, as were we all, but the strategy was sound.  It almost worked.  It SHOULD have worked.  Take Diggs underneath on 2nd and 9, choke KC to death with no time left on the clock for the reprisal TD.  It was his best option, and I wish Allen had taken it.  If you take the 30-yard shot there, it needs to be perfect.  He just needed to get the ball in the neighborhood of Diggs, and that's a first down with the clock still running.

Brady understood this.  Manning understood this.  The old guard has commented on the current crop of QBs looking for the big highlight plays and not taking what's there for them to take.  It continues to hold true.

 

I don't blame the loss on Allen.  He played a hell of a game.  There were plenty of things that could have gone differently to make the last few minutes of the game play out differently.  That was his moment to keep slowly driving the dagger in, though, and he went for the quick strike that would leave Patrick Mahomes 1:55 on the clock with 2 TOs and 4-down territory the whole way down the field.  Brady or Manning take Diggs on the crosser, there.  I wish Allen could do the same.

This is the problem though. 
 

Allen was pretty much perfect all game. 
 

He made one mistake going for the jugular, bad decision and he couldn’t get the throw there. 
 

One mistake from him in an otherwise flawless game and we can’t overcome it.  
 

Coaches can’t help him out.. players don’t pick him up..

 

Yet Mahomes misses guys open in the end zone twice on the same drive and they fumble the ball out of the end zone …. And win. 

[Dick_Cheney]

3 minutes ago, Avisan said:

Defense got the stops we needed to win the game.

 

Offense couldn't execute when it counted in the last two minutes.  The plays were there to be made, and the players didn't make them.

 

I was stressed on the final drive, as were we all, but the strategy was sound.  It almost worked.  It SHOULD have worked.  Take Diggs underneath on 2nd and 9, choke KC to death with no time left on the clock for the reprisal TD.  It was his best option, and I wish Allen had taken it.  If you take the 30-yard shot there, it needs to be perfect.  He just needed to get the ball in the neighborhood of Diggs, and that's a first down with the clock still running.

Brady understood this.  Manning understood this.  The old guard has commented on the current crop of QBs looking for the big highlight plays and not taking what's there for them to take.  It continues to hold true.

 

I don't blame the loss on Allen.  He played a hell of a game.  There were plenty of things that could have gone differently to make the last few minutes of the game play out differently.  That was his moment to keep slowly driving the dagger in, though, and he went for the quick strike that would leave Patrick Mahomes 1:55 on the clock with 2 TOs and 4-down territory the whole way down the field.  Brady or Manning take Diggs on the crosser, there.  I wish Allen could do the same.

Not sure I would day the defense got the stops needed to win the game. 

[GETTOTHE50]

He’s not going to get fired unless next year is the same result.

 

he deserves another chance for seeing the mistake Dorsey was and firing him. he and joe finally developed a run game.

 

he deserves one more year with a slightly different core. After all, the players have to make the plays at the end of the day. 

[DapperCam]

I don’t think he has what it takes to win the Super Bowl. He also has enough success to not be fired (thanks to Josh Allen mostly).

 

Biggest indictment for me, is that his defenses perform poorly in the playoffs. That is supposed to be his entire thing, and they have performed poorly over multiple playoffs.

[GETTOTHE50]

I also think Brady is next in line to be the head coach if McD can’t deliver the Super Bowl next year 

[Chugga]

3 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

They didn't go right from Reid to Pederson. They had two years of Chip Kelly in between.

The fact remains that Andy Reid wasn’t winning the eagles a Super Bowl.  Someone else did.  Dungy wasn’t winning the Bucs a superbowl but someone else did.

Sometimes people are only meant to take you so far.  Andy Reid was fantastic for the Eagles but eventually when you hit the same brick wall over and over, year after year you start to lose the players and when he lost the players the last couple of years with the eagles were AWFUL.

 

How many times can we run into the same Chiefs buzzsaw and not lose our players?

[QCity]

6 minutes ago, Avisan said:

Defense got the stops we needed to win the game.

 

 

 

This is an interesting take. Every time KC got the ball there were only two outcomes - were they scoring 3 or 7?

[Heavy Kevi]

6 minutes ago, Avisan said:

Defense got the stops we needed to win the game.

 

Offense couldn't execute when it counted in the last two minutes.  The plays were there to be made, and the players didn't make them.

 

I was stressed on the final drive, as were we all, but the strategy was sound.  It almost worked.  It SHOULD have worked.  Take Diggs underneath on 2nd and 9, choke KC to death with no time left on the clock for the reprisal TD.  It was his best option, and I wish Allen had taken it.  If you take the 30-yard shot there, it needs to be perfect.  He just needed to get the ball in the neighborhood of Diggs, and that's a first down with the clock still running.

Brady understood this.  Manning understood this.  The old guard has commented on the current crop of QBs looking for the big highlight plays and not taking what's there for them to take.  It continues to hold true.

 

I don't blame the loss on Allen.  He played a hell of a game.  There were plenty of things that could have gone differently to make the last few minutes of the game play out differently.  That was his moment to keep slowly driving the dagger in, though, and he went for the quick strike that would leave Patrick Mahomes 1:55 on the clock with 2 TOs and 4-down territory the whole way down the field.  Brady or Manning take Diggs on the crosser, there.  I wish Allen could do the same.

 

This is a weird take.

 

It was one of the worst defensive performances I can remember.

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, Chugga said:

The fact remains that Andy Reid wasn’t winning the eagles a Super Bowl.  Someone else did.  Dungy wasn’t winning the Bucs a superbowl but someone else did.

Sometimes people are only meant to take you so far.  Andy Reid was fantastic for the Eagles but eventually when you hit the same brick wall over and over, year after year you start to lose the players and when he lost the players the last couple of years with the eagles were AWFUL.

 

How many times can we run into the same Chiefs buzzsaw and not lose our players?

for the Eagles to win, they had to cut it all down. New coach, but also all new players including a new QB. it was a studs-out rebuild. 

[Avisan]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

This is the problem though. 
 

Allen was pretty much perfect all game. 
 

He made one mistake going for the jugular, bad decision and he couldn’t get the throw there. 
 

One mistake from him in an otherwise flawless game and we can’t overcome it.  
 

Coaches can’t help him out.. players don’t pick him up..

 

Yet Mahomes misses guys open in the end zone twice on the same drive and they fumble the ball out of the end zone …. And win. 

Yeah, he needed more help from his skill players.  Given the circumstances, he needed that flawless finishing drive.  He didn't deliver it.

 

Brady and Manning in their prime deliver it.  Allen goes for the big play.  Allen is nearly impossible to defend when he's in the zone, and I'm beyond thankful the Bills have him.  That doesn't change that he had the opportunity to seal the game and didn't deliver.  He is far from alone in that from this game.  But he's on the couch with the rest of us, now.

[Nklaiste1]

I say yes but only if we can hire the right guy to replace him. (For example Harbaugh).

[Chugga]

2 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

for the Eagles to win, they had to cut it all down. New coach, but also all new players including a new QB. it was a studs-out rebuild. 

BUT THEY DID IT.  That’s the whole point.  They moved on from a coach who had gotten them to a superbowl and 4 championship games because they felt they hit a wall.

 

But here we are hitting the same wall EVERY year and we are trying to talk ourselves out of the wall existing 

Edited January 22 by Chugga

[Governor]

4 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

I also think Brady is next in line to be the head coach if McD can’t deliver the Super Bowl next year 

Brady should leave right now if he can. This ship is sinking.

[Avisan]

6 minutes ago, Dick_Cheney said:

Not sure I would day the defense got the stops needed to win the game. 

They did, though.  Offense floundered (twice!) with the Chiefs up by 3.  Defense got the Offense the ball back without further points.  Offense had the chance to put it away at the end due to those stops.

5 minutes ago, Heavy Kevi said:

 

This is a weird take.

 

It was one of the worst defensive performances I can remember.

Our back seven was made out of duct tape, spit, and wishes.  They did enough.

[HappyDays]

Congratulations Sean McDermott on breaking yet another NFL record in a loss. Something similar happened in the Eagles game if I recall correctly. Our head coach finds new and exciting ways to lose games.

[GASabresIUFan]

14 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

They didn't go right from Reid to Pederson. They had two years of Chip Kelly in between.

Don’t let facts get in the way of an argument. 

 

If we follow his rationale, the Bills should fire McD, fire the coach who replaces him and then maybe we’ll win a SB with the coach after that 5 years after letting McD go.  Geez that makes sense.