Da webster guy Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I disagree with the approach that "we need to get __________ more involved in the passing game" We have the kind of quarterback that knows where the hot reads are and is good at improvising. We saw what happened when Brady tried to force Stef into the passing game about a month ago with those screens that were an obvious example of over-gameplanning and it cost us several possessions. Get the ball to wherever Josh decides the coverage dictates, and if there's a scramble/play extension it goes to the guy he can see that is reacting properly to the qb and presenting a decent target. Shakir and Kincaid are our top two receivers for the past month when the game is on the line, and next week it could be Steph and Knox, or even Cookie. Shakir is awesome and still learning, like Kincaid, but they seem to be very sticky handed when it comes to clutch catches and will be getting plenty of targets along the way. Both fast with good YAC for a slot and TE, these guys are the future of our team and have proven it lately. Go Bills ! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 45 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: From a YAC/R and hands perspective he is. I'm sorry but I have to disagree here. If we can get Shakir the ball 30 yards downfield, I will take that over a dumpoff to Cook every time. Even if Cook was the most amazing ever, more often than not he is not making up those 30 yards. I do love Cook in the area you refer to but Im still taking that 30 yards every time. I don't think most limit "best offensive weapon" to those criteria. Outside of Josh, Diggs is still the best weapon, despite his rough 2 months. Shakir is a guy you surprise a Defense with now and then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I don't think most limit "best offensive weapon" to those criteria. Outside of Josh, Diggs is still the best weapon, despite his rough 2 months. Shakir is a guy you surprise a Defense with now and then. Shakir is our most reliable and most explosive weapon by a country mile. Diggs is our most elite weapon, but his play has been off for half the year now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Love me some Shakir. Best YAC guy we've had in quite some time. He needs the ball more. Averaging 53.6 ypg over the last 10 and that includes the goose egg he put up against Dallas. He's arrived as a top end No. 3 receiver, in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gobills404 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 5 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: You want to get the ball to your playmakers first. Shakir is doing fine in his role Shakir is easily the best playmaker on this team. Nobody has made big plays on consistent basis more than him. Edit: no response, typical Edited January 9 by gobills404 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Paulson Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 8 hours ago, Scott7975 said: This dude is our most explosive playmaker. Shakir currently ranks 4th in the league in yards after catch per reception with a whopping 7.6. Only Kittle, Rashee Rice, and Deebo are higher than that. His expected is 4.6 which means he gets 3 more yards than he is expected to get. The next best Bill on the list is Kincaid at 4.5 yac/r expected 4.3. Shakir also leads the league in catch% at 86.7%. We need to get Shakir the ball more. He is our best offensive weapon. What a value draft pick this was. he reminds me of Andre Reed when he would leave people in the dust on those crossing routes. no one else on the Bills offense really runs away from people like he does. Edited January 10 by Robert Paulson 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Scott7975 said: And Davis blocked two defenders allowing the play. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 6 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: He'll get his chance this weekend, with Gabe down. Praise the Lord! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Eastport bills Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 I hope we can see this great young player reach his full potential in Buffalo because he will be great. His ability to get open and make clutch catches is becoming critical to our winning games. I think he could be our #2 or a better slot receiver than Beasley at his best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 The bills suck at screen plays but every time Shakir catches a screen it always looks smooth and goes for big yardage 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Agreed! Sit Davis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 3 hours ago, Scott7975 said: Allen is really struggling throwing the ball laterally with accuracy. Great stuff by Shakir. 6 minutes ago, Returntoglory said: Agreed! Sit Davis. These players are not interchangeable. They do entirely different things in terms of skill sets. An increase in Shakir snaps would likely mean less Kincaid/Knox/Gilliam etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 He’s sneaky good. He seems to take good angles on guys once he gets the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) I saw a tweet earlier but lost it related to Kincaid, Shakir and Cook so I crunched the numbers myself. They have accounted for 2,861 yards from scrimmage of their 6518 yards on the season. That accounts for 43.8% of the bills total yards this season. Just need another WR in round 1 to get the youth movement going full steam. Edited January 10 by The Wiz 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 9 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: I’m not sure if he’s our ‘best weapon’ but I’d like to see the Bills start trusting the new guys a bit more. They’ve relied on Diggs and Davis, and Knox for years now…and for good reason. But…it’s time for the natural evolution to Shakir, Kincaid, and someone else (draft pick?) going forward. I mean, I don’t know the calls vs the performance but I do wonder why he’s had to work so hard to get gabe Davis levels of trust who seems to have a lot of challenges I’d be fascinated to talk to the OCs involved about the WR room 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 4 hours ago, Scott7975 said: Poor man’s Bease who could end eventually make Bease a poor man Shakir. I love his quickness. Great make up for a slot guy. He works out with Moulds in the off-season as well and I’m a hooker for some Moulds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaBillsJunkie Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 9 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: I’m not sure if he’s our ‘best weapon’ but I’d like to see the Bills start trusting the new guys a bit more. They’ve relied on Diggs and Davis, and Knox for years now…and for good reason. But…it’s time for the natural evolution to Shakir, Kincaid, and someone else (draft pick?) going forward. I wish we could add Cook to this list, but he is still hit or miss, especially with those recent drops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 54 minutes ago, TampaBillsJunkie said: I wish we could add Cook to this list, but he is still hit or miss, especially with those recent drops. Drops and fumbles. Also as fast as Cook is, he always looks slow with the ball to me. I think he lacks initial burst or something and has to ramp his speed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 It's not even close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butch rolle Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 A friend of mine is a huge Boise State fan and while he's not an NFL fan, he never misses a chance to recap Shakir's performance from the prior Bill's game. He told me that Shakir was an absolute swiss army knife in college and they would put the ball in his hands however possible, not only on kick returns but in the run game as well. Looking at his college stats, sure enough he did get about 20 carries per year and averaged 6ypc. I wonder if some of these jet sweep type plays that Lil' Dirty used to run for us, which have been largely ineffective with Harty, could be utilized with Shakir? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Brett Kollman (ymmv) hyped him up last year as the Bills' "Diet Deebo": 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 11 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: I haven't seen Cook having to make any great catches 30 yards down the field. Both wide open touchdowns that he's dropped were right in his hands. He's a bad receiver. Swing passes, screens, sure. But I'd much rather Shakir get these opportunities than Cook. And Kincaid is going to be a stud so more for him is fine by me. Cook? No. 10 hours ago, Scott7975 said: Cooks drop% is nearing 10% while his avg depth of target is 2.5 yards btw. His hands have not been good over this stretch. Not even just in catches but holding the ball. He almost fumbled again this past game. Yeah I appreciate Cook's explosiveness and his improvement this year but I don't need to see him get more touches. I don't consider him a dependable player and his level of ball security makes me nervous. Shakir is blossoming before our very eyes. He's an all-around receiver who does everything well. He can beat man with quickness and speed and has a great feel for finding openings in zone. I definitely want to see Shakir and Kincaid continue to grow into larger roles. One of the best things about the Miami game for me was Josh settling down and taking the layups. That's why he was 30 of 38 and highly efficient. He was also 8-10 in the 2nd half of the Patriots game after he decided to throw underneath to open receivers. I believe that Josh can become the QB he was in 2020 when he completed 69.2% of his passes and threw only 10 interceptions. Actually I think he should be able to complete 75% of his throws. If Josh exercises a bit more discipline as a thrower, the Bills should be unbeatable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 He is not our best offensive weapon but he has developed this year into the guy I thought he could be coming out. I had a 3rd round grade on him and thought he was a steal in the 5th. But he came from a really gimmicky offense at Boise and my prediction at the start of last season was it'd take some time and he'd start to come on late last year. He didn't, he struggled all year to separate and to catch the ball and then he had a poor camp this past summer and there was a point where I thought it might not happen. But 611 yards in his second season... 363 of them since Brady took over. Lots of encouragement that he can really be a part of this team the next couple of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNMBillsFan Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Statistically he had an amazing year for his limited targets. He led the league in yards per target with 13.6. The 10th best in the league was only 10 yards per target. That's a 3.6 yards difference between the #1 and #10. He led the league in W/R catch rate with a 86.7% The 10th best W/R catch rate was 73.4%, again a significant difference. 3rd longest reception in the NFL for 81 yards. He Led the NFL in Receiving Success Rate with 73.3% (a successful catch as one which gains at least 40% of the yards required on first down, 60% of the yards required on second down, and converts third and fourth downs.) 12th in yards per catch with 15.7 Was 136th in the NFL with 45 targets, however he was 66th in the league with 611 yards for the season. They need to try to feed him the ball more, hopefully he can produce similar results with more targets. Go Bills!! Next Year!!!! https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/receiving.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 Nice core of shakir and dalton kincaid future is brighter with them blossoming - now we need another wr - and more touches for those guys cook - yeah had drops - coming along as well out of the backfield - great running this year offensive line is SOLID imo this team is better than bills fans admit heading into next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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