Milanos Milano Posted December 19, 2023 Author Share Posted December 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said: Isaiah Hodgins is 6'4" 4.6 40 but the Bills felt the need to stash him on the PS He’s officially listed at 6’3” so I didn’t include him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, Araiza Curse said: He’s officially listed at 6’3” so I didn’t include him. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_Hodgins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 9 minutes ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said: Isaiah Hodgins is 6'4" 4.6 40 but the Bills felt the need to stash him on the PS That’s where he belongs. He’s not a roster-able NFL WR unless you’re the Giants imo. Jag of all jags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted December 19, 2023 Author Share Posted December 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_Hodgins Let the NFL know. He’s officially listed as 6’3” on the site. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Coot Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 12 hours ago, Araiza Curse said: Harold Carmichael was 6’8” and ran a 4.6 (Good) With modern training methods it's possible that Carmichael could have run a 4.4 or better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 12 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Wanted to draft Equanimeous St. Brown the year we picked Allen. He's almost 6'5" and ran a 4.48 40. We passed on him for Ray-Ray in the 6th. Guess it didn't matter. Both Key and Peele All-Stars, tough choice.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 In all reality, catching what is thrown to the receiver is the number one attribute for any WR, the other things certainly help but…, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 3 hours ago, Mango said: Megatron was an absolute stud. But there is a reason I said Moss was the most talented WR ever and not the best WR ever. Other guys have gotten close to Moss or surpassed him based on consistent working as close as possible to their ceiling. But I don't think there was a better WR in the history of the sport than try hard Randy Moss. I cannot argue with that Bills Brother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 4 hours ago, MPL said: He was for one play against the Jacksonville Jaguars, and that's how I'll choose to remember him. So zay Jones was good for us Being a good person and good football player aren't a package deal lol 4 hours ago, Araiza Curse said: He had 4 seasons with 1k yards, will mark him down as elite for now. Do you have a link to approximate 40 time? I can’t find anything about his speed other than he was a 100m champion. He actually ran the 100 yard dash back in the day. I don't think it was meters yet And they did say he ran a 10 second.. I've never seen a 40 time for him so I just extrapolated it... 4.5 something seems right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted December 19, 2023 Author Share Posted December 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: In all reality, catching what is thrown to the receiver is the number one attribute for any WR, the other things certainly help but…, Obviously this is true, but I was really curious if being fast and tall would help find some statistical advantage for success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, Araiza Curse said: Obviously this is true, but I was really curious if being fast and tall would help find some statistical advantage for success. Ah, good enough 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted December 19, 2023 Author Share Posted December 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Don Otreply said: Ah, good enough 👍 If you find others, please post them here. There are definitely more, I just haven’t gone through all the years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 14 hours ago, mrags said: Calvin Johnson was a cheat code. The best WR I’ve ever seen play and it’s not even close. I don’t care what the arguments are for Rice. Johnson would have destroyed every Rice record if he played 17 years. Which would have been 4 years less than Rice. Dude was a monster. Given his averages Johnson would have come up 200 receptions, 700 yards, and 39 touchdowns short of all of the records. Also cant imagine a wideout that large would have played until 38, but thats just me. I think Johnson used his natural size and speed to overpower guys, but his hands were pretty average. I think Moss was more naturally gifted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said: Given his averages Johnson would have come up 200 receptions, 700 yards, and 39 touchdowns short of all of the records. Also cant imagine a wideout that large would have played until 38, but thats just me. I think Johnson used his natural size and speed to overpower guys, but his hands were pretty average. I think Moss was more naturally gifted. So… playing 4 hears less he’d be only 700 yards short. That’s 1 season right there, or maybe just some phenomenal years in the middle to make up for it. Same thing with the receptions and TDs. 2-3 years at the most and he has those as well. Not to mention the passing game in the league has become more and more wide open now than even when he played. Yes, I know that argument is there for Rice as well. But Rice played until he was 40+. He was also on teams that were more ahead of their times than anyone else in the league at the time. Maybe the Oilers were close. But nobody was slinging it like the 49ers were back in the day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, mrags said: So… playing 4 hears less he’d be only 700 yards short. That’s 1 season right there, or maybe just some phenomenal years in the middle to make up for it. Same thing with the receptions and TDs. 2-3 years at the most and he has those as well. Not to mention the passing game in the league has become more and more wide open now than even when he played. Yes, I know that argument is there for Rice as well. But Rice played until he was 40+. He was also on teams that were more ahead of their times than anyone else in the league at the time. Maybe the Oilers were close. But nobody was slinging it like the 49ers were back in the day. Aside from TO I am not sure I've ever seen a more physical wideout than Megatron but its just too many what ifs to even have the discussion about Rice's records. Even though Johnson didnt exactly play in the most wide open version of the NFL, it had become pretty modernized by the time he was in his prime. Detroit with Stafford were throwing the ball a good 200 times more a year than the 49ers were with Montana and Rice. Not to mention Rice played in a time where defensive backs were allowed to play a lot more physical game. Even when considering Johnson's career if he had played a few more years, you just cant account for the possible injuries. I think it says even more for Rice that he wasnt a genetic freak like Megatron, TO, or Moss. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Aside from TO I am not sure I've ever seen a more physical wideout than Megatron but its just too many what ifs to even have the discussion about Rice's records. Even though Johnson didnt exactly play in the most wide open version of the NFL, it had become pretty modernized by the time he was in his prime. Detroit with Stafford were throwing the ball a good 200 times more a year than the 49ers were with Montana and Rice. Not to mention Rice played in a time where defensive backs were allowed to play a lot more physical game. Even when considering Johnson's career if he had played a few more years, you just cant account for the possible injuries. I think it says even more for Rice that he wasnt a genetic freak like Megatron, TO, or Moss. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen someone doubled and triple covered so much as Megatron and he would still come down with it. The defenses knew it was going there and there was nothing they could do to stop it. I’m not arguing that Rice wasn’t amazing. I’m arguing that Megatron was the most dominant WR that I’ve ever seen play. Different kinds of players. Still, if I was choosing an all time team and I had my first shot at any WR to ever play the game. It’s would be Megatron and it wouldn’t be close for me. In fact I’d pick multiple other WRs over Rice in that scenario. Moss, Owens, Harrison for sure. Guys like Hill are the new Rices. Amazing at route running and just so damn fast. In the end, Hill may have a shot at some records if he stays healthy and his speed doesn’t drop off a cliff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 (edited) Brandon Marshall 6'5" 232 ran a 4.53 Ed McCaffrey 6'5" 215 ....... trying to find his 40 time. Edited December 19, 2023 by Maine-iac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 are we forgetting the guy on the texans, was it andre johnson? he was so friggen good, but i suppose 6'3 and 4.41 speed. he was HUGE tho, like 230. as great as all these guys were, i think T owens might be the best wr ever. every team he played on he made their O way better, even the bills! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haze_21 Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 White Matt Jones who liked white powdery substances. 6'6 height 242 lbs 4.37 40 40" vert 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0017 Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 (edited) Has anyone mentioned DK Metcalf 6’4 236 lbs and ran a 4.33!!! his career is still just getting started but he’s a beast and has great hands. Edited December 19, 2023 by 0017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 Does Harold Carmichael qualify? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 38 minutes ago, Haze_21 said: White Matt Jones who liked white powdery substances. 6'6 height 242 lbs 4.37 40 40" vert That reminded me of Terrelle Pryor. I think they both played QB at one time and ended up at WR. 6'4" 230 lbs 4.4 40 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 46 minutes ago, 0017 said: Has anyone mentioned DK Metcalf 6’4 236 lbs and ran a 4.33!!! his career is still just getting started but he’s a beast and has great hands. He is in the opening post. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 16 hours ago, Mango said: Randy Moss is the most talented WR to ever play the position. End thread. Agreed. Megatron comes close second to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 The upcoming draft is very intriguing at WR. There is a higher than average number of receivers who possess size and a fair to elite amount of speed: Marvin Harrison Jr. - 6'4" 4.39 Rome Odunze - 6'3" 4.37 Xavier Legette - 6'3" 4.29 Johnny Wilson - 6'7" 4.42 Adonai Mitchell - 6'4" 4.50 Keon Coleman - 6'4" 4.46 All numbers are estimates at this point from www.nfldraftbuzz.com Most of these guys, if not all of them, will go in the first round of the draft. There are a couple more receivers who combine elite speed with average height that could go in the first round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiracleAtRich1393 Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/hakeem-butler I desperately wanted DK Metcalf and when Beane traded up I thought he went and got him. Alas, it was Cody Ford instead. Thought Hakeem Butler (6'5" 227 4.48) would have been a good consolation prize on day 3. Yikes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Maine-iac said: Brandon Marshall 6'5" 232 ran a 4.53 Ed McCaffrey 6'5" 215 ....... trying to find his 40 time. They didn’t have 40 times when Ed McC played. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Chris Conley? 6'3" 205lbs 4.35 40 45" vertical His athleticism was/is off the charts. Never clicked on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 18 hours ago, Mango said: Randy Moss is the most talented WR to ever play the position. End thread. Exactly he supposedly ran a 4.25 https://www.the33rdteam.com/remembering-vikings-drafting-randy-moss-25-years-later/#:~:text=Randy Moss at Marshall.,record among NFL draft prospects. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 hour ago, BigAl2526 said: The upcoming draft is very intriguing at WR. There is a higher than average number of receivers who possess size and a fair to elite amount of speed: Marvin Harrison Jr. - 6'4" 4.39 Rome Odunze - 6'3" 4.37 Xavier Legette - 6'3" 4.29 Johnny Wilson - 6'7" 4.42 Adonai Mitchell - 6'4" 4.50 Keon Coleman - 6'4" 4.46 All numbers are estimates at this point from www.nfldraftbuzz.com Most of these guys, if not all of them, will go in the first round of the draft. There are a couple more receivers who combine elite speed with average height that could go in the first round. I think you’re right about them all likely to go in the first round. Harrison and Odunze, at least to me, are off the cards and will be drafted in the top 15 barring an absolute bomb at the combine. Legette or Coleman wouldn’t be a bad consolation prize out of those 6 guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Forgot our own James Hardy ..... 6'5" 220lbs ran a 4.49 40. Never realized the rest of his story. Another troubled receiver along with Jones and Pryor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Worthington Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Renaldo Nehemia is only 6 ft 1 but ran the 40 in 4.1 secs. I think the fastest man to ever play football. As a track athlete ran the 100m in 10.24 secs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/19/2023 at 12:38 AM, Araiza Curse said: Harold Carmichael was 6’8” but he ran a 4.6 , however he had great hands and could separate. Plaxico Burress was 6’5” and ran a 4.59. Calvin Johnson was 6’5” and ran a 4.35 . Randy Moss was 6’4” and ran a 4.3ish DK Metcalf was 6’4” and ran a 4.33 I can’t think of any other tall AND fast WRs . Can you help me list all 6’4” or taller WRs that also ran at least a 4.4 or faster. As of now, this metric appears perfect in determining success. If you are 6’4”+ and run fast, just draft them with confidence. After you help me list all the NFL players, can you help find me some of the tallest and fastest people that don’t play football. Usain Bolt is 6’5” and can run a 4.22 (Super Bowl, retired and in street clothes) . Imagine if he could have trained to be a football player. I wonder if it’s possible to be much taller than 6’5” and being able to run a 4.4 or faster. THANKS EVERYONE FOR THE INPUT! Calvin Johnson was 6’5” and ran a 4.35 (Elite) Randy Moss was 6’4” and ran a 4.3ish (Elite) DK Metcalf was 6’4” and ran a 4.33 (Elite) Christian Watson was 6’4” and ran a 4.36 (Good) Marquez Valdez-Scantling was 6’4” and ran a 4.37 (Meh) Stephen Hill was 6’5” and ran a 4.39 (Bad) Keyshawn Johnson was 6’4” and ran a 4.41 (Elite) Miles Boykin was 6’4” and ran a 4.42 (Bad) Chase Claypool was 6’4” and ran a 4.42 (Meh) Nico Collins was 6’4” and ran a 4.45 (Good?) Jalen Hurd was 6’5” and ran a 4.47 (Bad) AT Perry was 6’5” and ran a 4.47 (Bad-Meh?) Equanimeous St. Brown was 6’5” and ran a 4.48 (Meh) James Harty was 6’6” and ran a 4.49 (Bad) Dorian Green Beckham was 6’5” and ran a 4.49 (Bad) Limas Sweed was 6’4” and ran a 4.5 (Bad) AJ Green was 6’4” and ran a 4.5 (Elite) Michael Pittman Jr was 6’4” and ran a 4.52 (Good) Quentin Johnston was 6’4” and ran a 4.52 (Meh?) Mike Evans was 6’5” and ran a 4.53 (Elite) Mike Strachan was 6’5” and ran a 4.53 (Bad) Courtland Sutton was 6’4” and ran a 4.54 (Good) Allen Lazard was 6’4” and ran a 4.55 (meh) Mack Hollins was 6’4” and ran a 4.55 (Bad-Meh) Justin Shorter was 6’4” and ran a 4.55 (Bad-Meh?) Donald Hayes was 6’4” and ran a 4.57 (Bad) Drake London was 6’4” and ran a 4.58 (Good?) Tee Higgins was 6’4” and ran a 4.59 (Good) Plaxico Burress was 6’5” and ran a 4.59 (Good) Harold Carmichael was 6’8” and ran a 4.6 (Good) Sean Dawkins was 6’4” and ran a 4.61 (Good) Kelvin Benjamin was 6’5” and ran a 4.61 (Bad-Meh) Justyn Ross was 6’4” and ran a 4.64 (Bad?) Irvin Charles was 6’4” and ran a 4.66 (Bad?) Ed McCaffrey was 6’5” and ran a 4.69 (Good) Lil Jordan Humphrey was 6’4” and ran a 4.75 (Bad) Jake Bobo was 6’4” and ran a 4.99 (Bad) It appears that the 4.4 is a good approx line so far. 2 meh/bad 4 good/elite I would never consider putting Keyshawn Johnson in the same Category as Moss or Calvin Johnson. Those two guys were almost always the best player on the field. Also if we are calling 4.5 fast, seems like 6’3” can be tall. TO agrees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 The problem with Tall + Fast guys is they're often "high hipped" so it's harder for them to run precise routes. That's why so many of them fail. With long legs, it's hard to get twitchy action at the hips. If you remember the knock on DK Metcalf and reason for him dropping to late in the 2nd round, it was a concern that his limited route tree would make his routes predictable. A lot of people want to take a victory lap on predicting DK's success, but it was an incredibly rare accomplishment that he learned how to be more of a precise route runner after college. A player close to home who plays with "high hips" is Gabe Davis. He wins downfield and on simple patterns, but has trouble separating in short areas because it's hard for him to turn rapidly and run crisp routes. He's only 6'2'' but it's the major issue with a lot of these guys. The opposite of that spectrum is Stef Diggs. The difference becomes very clear when you look at Gabe winning routes vs Diggs winning routes. I prefer route winners over "Big and Fast" guys, but it's nice to have both. The unicorns are the ones who can somehow bend like a 5'10'' WR at 6'4''. In short, the best predictor of success is definitely not "who is the biggest and fastest." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted December 21, 2023 Author Share Posted December 21, 2023 On 12/20/2023 at 6:58 AM, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I would never consider putting Keyshawn Johnson in the same Category as Moss or Calvin Johnson. Those two guys were almost always the best player on the field. Also if we are calling 4.5 fast, seems like 6’3” can be tall. TO agrees I was just posting all 6’4” + players and their respective 40times. Keyshawn had 4 1,000 seasons and 2 900 seasons. That’s why I included him, not necessarily because I thought he was as good as Megatron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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