Matt_In_NH Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I mean the cap is an issue and a reset of sorts is needed but first of minimum three years...you thought that and said that more than once? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, entropyrules said: well thats the beauty of this site as everyone has a right to an opinion. I doubt that the Bills will get rid of McDermott or do anything drastic with changing the roster. So we shall see if your premise that the cap is not a real hindrance proves out in the next two years. The one thing I would disagree with is I clearly stated I wanted to keep Allen so your comment about Trent Edwards was a bit disingenuous. I didn't say you wanted to get rid of Allen. I am saying when you have a guy like Allen in your prime you do everything you can at all times to keep talent around him and the best coaching you can. If the cap is maxxed out and money is pushed down the road that is fine, keep doing it as long as he is here. A few of the big contracts will be gone in a few years and other guys who are older will be replaced. my point is that there is absolutely no way in hell you ever say well we will clean up the cap and try to compete in 3 years when you have this QB and this offense. No way and anybody they bring in to be the head coach or possible GM in the future should be asked to leave the office as soon as they say this. The first task here is to go out and get the best staff they can get and then let that staff make the changes to the defense they want and then let them coach it their way. The current situation is not a good one and the defense and special teams simply keep making mistakes late to get them beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 There are more to contracts than just the surface value. You don’t know what team cap increases will be, what restructure savings are, and what kind of gymnastics can be played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 When you have "Franchise QB" figured out, everything else can be changed on the fly. There is no need for down times, especially multi-year rebuilds, when we have Josh on the roster. Just retool and go. Bring in a new HC, new coordinators, some new players on defense and let's go. Yes, the Defense will look significantly different next year as our vets age out. That is life. Not some grand mismanagement. Out of all the players named in the original post, Von Miller is the only real issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Don't care that we have the melon farmer and some think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. This team is in year one of a minimum three year playoff drought. "Why, Pine?" You might ask. Well, it's simple, really. It's the salary cap. (All numbers 2024 per spotrac) First up is the melon farmer himself, at a whopping 47 MILLION dollars next year. He's gotta be a whole lot better than what he is at that price tag. Next we have the illustrious Non Miller with a 23 MILLION dollar cap hit for zero tackles, zero pressures, zero forced fumbles, zero production. The next nothingburger with an enormous cap hit is Dawson Knox, who's got us on the hook for 14.4 million dollars. Tre White is next, feel bad for the guy, but his career is over. 16.6 against the 24 salary cap. That's 101 million dollars in cap hoovered up by four players, and we can't really do a whole hell of a lot to get out from under that load in 24 or 25. Now, that only half the equation. The other half is the replacements to be necessary in the upcoming two years: Hyde - washed Poyer - washed Milano - love the guy, but I have doubts about his future long term Morse - long in the tooth Davis - need better Epenesa/Groot - given the cap, no way we keep both Diggs - yes, diggs. He's 29 THIS YEAR. We're going to need to replace him soon. This list isn't all inclusive but you get the point. The point is, we're not WASTING the melon farmer's prime years, we've WASTED them. By the time this team next sniffs the playoffs, it'll be the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty-six, and Josh Allen will be 30 years old. Will he be better at 30 than now? I have my doubts. What's the fix? ***** if I know at this point but what I do know is this team, as it's constituted today is done now and into the intermediate term. Flane away haters, but numbers don't lie. You lost me at “He's gotta be a whole lot better than what he is at that price tag”. Did you see the game last night? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 At this point, it really doesn't matter. As long as McD is here, the team will continue in quicksand, even if they make the playoffs. They are unable to win meaningful, close games with the conservative nature and scared coaching tactics. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: At this point, it really doesn't matter. As long as McD is here, the team will continue in quicksand, even if they make the playoffs. They are unable to win meaningful, close games with the conservative nature and scared coaching tactics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Don’t see why Josh’s salary is such a big part of this. Josh is the 9th highest paid QB in the League this year, with players such as Russel Wilson, Deshuan Watson and Kyler Murray being paid more, and Guys like Daniel Jones right behind (40 mil average instead of 43). As that contract gets older, more QBs will be paid more. As it is right now, Josh has been giving good value for that contract, leading the league in total TDs (by 5), and 3rd in passing yards. Cut down on the turnovers and he’d be the best in the league, as it is, he’s still playing as a top 10 QB for sure, which fits his salary. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tierlifer Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 28 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: At this point, it really doesn't matter. As long as McD is here, the team will continue in quicksand, even if they make the playoffs. They are unable to win meaningful, close games with the conservative nature and scared coaching tactics. Well said. I’d like to add that if this season continues to downward spiral and miss the playoffs…and if the Pegulas decide to stand pat with McD, then that shows me they aren’t committed to winning but committed to being just ok and relevant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tierlifer said: Well said. I’d like to add that if this season continues to downward spiral and miss the playoffs…and if the Pegulas decide to stand pat with McD, then that shows me they aren’t committed to winning but committed to being just ok and relevant. They gotta keep up the luxurious lifestyles Edited November 27, 2023 by Dablitzkrieg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Why are we farming melons 🍈? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 As long as Josh is on the feld we have a chance ! With that being said - yes the cap thing isn't good as you said replacements all be hard the draft will be the Bills best friend for the next little while and this team will look totally different in a short time . We have to hope Beane can do what he did when he got here the first year or so and do it again ... Have Faith in the Beane !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Me thinks someone love’s attention, how can I create maximum engagement ? For my whole life, I didn't know if I even really existed. But I do, and people are starting to notice. Kinda sad actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I agree that the cap is going to be a mess next year, but Allen is one of the few guys actually worth his contract. The going rate for a franchise QB is 50+ per season and Allen is 100% playing at that level. Even with such a massive amount of our team cap dedicated to defense and defensive players on IR. I wonder if we'll take a bath next year with a new HC to reset the cap situation. No reason to think we couldn't be completely re-tooled with a clean salary cap slate by the 25-26 season though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Don't care that we have the melon farmer and some think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. This team is in year one of a minimum three year playoff drought. "Why, Pine?" You might ask. Well, it's simple, really. It's the salary cap. (All numbers 2024 per spotrac) First up is the melon farmer himself, at a whopping 47 MILLION dollars next year. He's gotta be a whole lot better than what he is at that price tag. Next we have the illustrious Non Miller with a 23 MILLION dollar cap hit for zero tackles, zero pressures, zero forced fumbles, zero production. The next nothingburger with an enormous cap hit is Dawson Knox, who's got us on the hook for 14.4 million dollars. Tre White is next, feel bad for the guy, but his career is over. 16.6 against the 24 salary cap. That's 101 million dollars in cap hoovered up by four players, and we can't really do a whole hell of a lot to get out from under that load in 24 or 25. Now, that only half the equation. The other half is the replacements to be necessary in the upcoming two years: Hyde - washed Poyer - washed Milano - love the guy, but I have doubts about his future long term Morse - long in the tooth Davis - need better Epenesa/Groot - given the cap, no way we keep both Diggs - yes, diggs. He's 29 THIS YEAR. We're going to need to replace him soon. This list isn't all inclusive but you get the point. The point is, we're not WASTING the melon farmer's prime years, we've WASTED them. By the time this team next sniffs the playoffs, it'll be the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty-six, and Josh Allen will be 30 years old. Will he be better at 30 than now? I have my doubts. What's the fix? ***** if I know at this point but what I do know is this team, as it's constituted today is done now and into the intermediate term. Flane away haters, but numbers don't lie. Hyde - CUT Poyer - CUT Milano - Let him be Morse - Move on Davis - Let go in FA Epenesa/Groot - given the cap, no way we keep both (agreed, and let them develop) Diggs - yes, diggs. He's 29 THIS YEAR. We're going to need to replace him soon. (Agreed. WR in the 1st must be the priority) Tre- Injury settlement/Cut Von - Massive Cap hit, sit him and have him do nothing but pass rush on 5 man fronts, or cut. There is a down year coming next year, that I didn't expect this year. If Terry doesn't do something massive (Fire Mcdermott and hire Frank Reich) then he won't be selling PSL's and Season tickets very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 hours ago, mrags said: I’ve gotta give you credit. The best part of this post is coining the name “NON Miller”. Thank you for that Awesome. I love it and will use it going forward! 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, LabattBlue said: Awesome. I love it and will use it going forward! 😂 Listen. It’s not mine. Gotta give @Pine Barrens Mafiathe credit in this one. But I am using it also. Already started. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 hours ago, BuffaloBill said: Really? Would you like to return to the draught era QB’s? The Josh Allen hate by some on this board is out of control. The fact that some people can not see how great he is and how many problems he masks is incredible to me. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, Einstein said: The fact that some people can not see how great he is and how many problems he masks is incredible to me. Unfortunately, this “fact” is the reason why McDummy and BB keep underinvesting in the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I remember this guy’s posts heading into the season. Can’t fool me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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