Per Benjamin Allbright, McDermott's "seat is warm"

[JohnNord]

14 minutes ago, juno999 said:

McD promoted Dorsey even though he had no experience as an OC.  This was a bad hire and another mistake by McD.  Not a firable offense by itself but just one more reason to make a change at HC. 

 

My biggest issue with McD is he loses too many games that they should win.  Over his entire tenure as coach.  Too many turnovers, penalties, mistakes, missed assignments, dropped passes, wrong use of timeouts, bad challenges, and too many men on a missed GWFGA. 

 

A few isolated losses here and there where a player blows it, ok that happens to every team, but there is just too much overall inconsistency with this team.  This team has talent and should be playing at a higher level of play.  They are underperforming and that is the HC's fault.  He's gotta go.

I think the Dorsey hire looks bad in hindsight but in January 2022.  Josh had an incredible game against KC and you wanted to keep as much consistency around the offense with Daboll leaving.  Plus Dorsey was Josh’s preference as OC.  I think they could have replaced him after season one but once again it was the coordinator Josh wanted.   They also had their moments and were ranked highly last season offensively, so keeping him was no stretch.  
 

Both McDermott and Beane showed patience and faith and once it was clear it wasn’t working they made a move

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

the Bills needing the breaks to fall their way to lose 10-3 in the wildcard vs KC needing the breaks to fall their way to win the SB does not help your argument imo

 

 

It completely does because it’s the same thing.  You’re playing the whole “if…then” game.  We could do this all day.  
 

I’ll start…If Scott Norwood doesn’t miss the FG in SB25 the Bills go on to win 2 more.

 

If the Bills stopped the home run throwback they would win the SB in 2001.

 

Since you love to play If-Then, I’m sure you have others.  

[GoBills808]

14 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I think the Dorsey hire looks bad in hindsight but in January 2022.  Josh had an incredible game against KC and you wanted to keep as much consistency around the offense with Daboll leaving.  Plus Dorsey was Josh’s preference as OC.  I think they could have replaced him after season one but once again it was the coordinator Josh wanted.   They also had their moments and were ranked highly last season offensively, so keeping him was no stretch.  
 

Both McDermott and Beane showed patience and faith and once it was clear it wasn’t working they made a move

It completely does because it’s the same thing.  You’re playing the whole “if…then” game.  We could do this all day.  
 

I’ll start…If Scott Norwood doesn’t miss the FG in SB25 the Bills go on to win 2 more.

 

If the Bills stopped the home run throwback they would win the SB in 2001.

 

Since you love to play If-Then, I’m sure you have others.  

To be clear that's not what I'm saying

 

I'm saying I don't find making the playoffs in 2017 a particularly compelling point in McDermott's favor

[JohnNord]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

To be clear that's not what I'm saying

 

I'm saying I don't find making the playoffs in 2017 a particularly compelling point in McDermott's favor

Overall I don’t really either.  The person who started this argument said he was no better than Doug Marrone in 2014 which I disagreed with.  
 

I think the coaching job McDermott did with the a lousy roster in 2017 was far superior to any of the previous Bills coaches during the drought.  He did more with much less

[Nextmanup]

On 11/26/2023 at 8:47 PM, Beast said:

Now, I would love to see the Bills go in another direction but, unfortunately, I just don’t see that happening.

 

I think a lot of fans agree with this,  but I think it's actually possible, this year.

 

Not highly likely, but possible.  How the season ends will play a role.

 

 

[Doc]

It’s playoffs or bust for McD. 

[Wayne Arnold]

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I don’t really get how he’s cowardly.  I mean I’m not saying he’s good by any means but he’s been bringing arguably too much heat on those game winning drives for the other team 😂. 

 

is he cowardly for not going for that 4th and medium in ot?  I don’t think any coach is going for that in that spot.  The eagles would only be in 4 down territory until field goal range and if you hold them to a fg the next score wins 

 

He's cowardly for kneeling the ball and depending on a 50/50 coin flip instead of his generational quarterback, an OLine playing great, the best WR this franchise has ever had.

[Gregg]

Throwing this out there. It was the back page story on yesterday's Daily News and Jay Glazer has also reported it. There is tension between Daboll and Wink Martindale. Glazer even hinted that Martindale might not even finish the season. This is one of those where there is smoke there is fire deals. Assuming Sean is back in 2024 but gives up the DC duties. Any interest in Martindale as DC if he leaves the Giants. Something to keep an eye on.

[Coach Tuesday]

From today’s Athletic, former GM Randy Mueller:

 

To be fair, some of the Bills’ issues are injury-related, but some have been a function of McDermott’s ill-timed blitzes and less-than-ideal execution. By replacing his defensive coordinator last off-season and installing himself, he has to be directly accountable for the unit’s results. His somewhat defensive responses to questions about his decisions are seen by some as an effort to pass the buck. I would love to see more transparent self-accountability. Sometimes a little humility can go a long way.

[Bruffalo]

With the reports about Lawson and Phillips going ballistic towards an Eagles' fan (initially reported he was making death threats, but new footage shows that likely was not the case), I feel like this is just more fuel to the fire that McDermott doesn't have this team focused and prepared for the adversity of playing these big games.  

 

The team is sloppy (not excusing the awful refereeing though) and that's falling on the HC. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

17 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

He's cowardly for kneeling the ball and depending on a 50/50 coin flip instead of his generational quarterback, an OLine playing great, the best WR this franchise has ever had.

I’m all for firing a guy not getting results and will def not defend all mcdermotts actions but I really think you can justify either decision that specific time
 

20 seconds to drive down the field in a bad weather game where your receivers already dropped 6-7 passes to get in fringe field goal range for a struggling kicker feels like it’s just as likely to lose you the game as win you the game 

 

 

 

On 11/28/2023 at 8:24 PM, Nextmanup said:

I think a lot of fans agree with this,  but I think it's actually possible, this year.

 

Not highly likely, but possible.  How the season ends will play a role.

 

 

I think if we go 9-8 or 10-7 and just miss the playoffs he probably stays.  Losing record though and he’s done imo 

[LabattBlue]

@Simon Why is Allbright not a “random talking head”? 😂

[Simon]

3 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

@Simon Why is Allbright not a “random talking head”? 😂

 

In the first couple hours it was posted it had already generated about 10 pages of quality conversation from multiple thoughtful posters.

By the time I saw it, it wasn't something I wanted to bury when that many people were engaged.

[AZSanta]

McDermott has to go after this season. I think most of us can agree on that. No fan base comes together and gets something done the way Bills Mafia does.  I’m calling for every single one of us to flood One Bills Drive with emails, letters, calls, whatever is needed to convince Pegula we do not want Mcdumbass coaching this team next year. I will be forever be thankful he was able to end the drought in his first season. Unfortunately, that was his greatest accomplishment. He doesn’t have what it takes to be a head coach in the NFL. Any coach will have a high % winning record with Josh Allen as QB. We can not waste another season of Allen’s prims years with him as our coach. Let’s get it done Mafia. Who’s with me? 

[mannc]

On 11/28/2023 at 5:21 PM, JohnNord said:

Overall I don’t really either.  The person who started this argument said he was no better than Doug Marrone in 2014 which I disagreed with.  
 

I think the coaching job McDermott did with the a lousy roster in 2017 was far superior to any of the previous Bills coaches during the drought.  He did more with much less

That lousy roster was good enough the previous year (before the addition of White, Dawkins and Milano) to win 8 games under the amazing leadership of Wrex Ryan.

[JohnNord]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

That lousy roster was good enough the previous year (before the addition of White, Dawkins and Milano) to win 8 games under the amazing leadership of Wrex Ryan.

It was a much worse roster…and they won 7 games, not 8.  

[BuffaloBillyG]

17 minutes ago, AZSanta said:

McDermott has to go after this season. I think most of us can agree on that. No fan base comes together and gets something done the way Bills Mafia does.  I’m calling for every single one of us to flood One Bills Drive with emails, letters, calls, whatever is needed to convince Pegula we do not want Mcdumbass coaching this team next year. I will be forever be thankful he was able to end the drought in his first season. Unfortunately, that was his greatest accomplishment. He doesn’t have what it takes to be a head coach in the NFL. Any coach will have a high % winning record with Josh Allen as QB. We can not waste another season of Allen’s prims years with him as our coach. Let’s get it done Mafia. Who’s with me? 

 

Same vibe😂😂

[mannc]

6 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

It was a much worse roster…and they won 7 games, not 8.  

The Bills would have won 8 that year, but Pegula fired Ryan before the last game of the season because Ryan was going to try to win against the Jets, who were pathetic in 2017.  Tyrod was benched and the mini-tank improved the Bills’ draft slot from 16 to 10.

[FLFan]

24 minutes ago, AZSanta said:

McDermott has to go after this season. I think most of us can agree on that. No fan base comes together and gets something done the way Bills Mafia does.  I’m calling for every single one of us to flood One Bills Drive with emails, letters, calls, whatever is needed to convince Pegula we do not want Mcdumbass coaching this team next year. I will be forever be thankful he was able to end the drought in his first season. Unfortunately, that was his greatest accomplishment. He doesn’t have what it takes to be a head coach in the NFL. Any coach will have a high % winning record with Josh Allen as QB. We can not waste another season of Allen’s prims years with him as our coach. Let’s get it done Mafia. Who’s with me? 

If that does not work, you could try holding your breath and stomping your feet.

[JohnNord]

17 minutes ago, mannc said:

The Bills would have won 8 that year, but Pegula fired Ryan before the last game of the season because Ryan was going to try to win against the Jets, who were pathetic in 2017.  Tyrod was benched and the mini-tank improved the Bills’ draft slot from 16 to 10.

LOL so they didn’t win 8 games like you said?

[mannc]

Just now, JohnNord said:

LOL so they didn’t win 8 games like you said?

They were a .500 team that intentionally lost the last game of the season, like I said.