DORSEY FIRED, Joe Brady Interim OC

[Green Lightning]

12 minutes ago, 34-30 said:

DC's are smart. Very smart. They watch the film. They take away what you want to do and force you to adjust and do something different. Its up to the offense..up to the QB...to make the adjustment and take what is left to them. Do that well and it forces the defense to do something else..opening up what you did originally..what you want to do.

 

Defenses know that Allen will throw it to them.  No need to readjust.  They know he'll beat them at times..a few plays here, a few plays there. But until he stops giving it away, they'll swallow their medicine on a few drives.  

 

Guys..his game isn't growing. If he has to be "freed" and allowed to do what he wants, thats not growth. Because teams aren't going to let that happen.  You can harp on coaching all you want...and yes, coaches had issues..but Allen needs to grow his game. He needs to stop pouting and looking lost and moping through a press conference and the turnovers have to stop. 

 

I don't think they will.  This is who he is. He's not a savior. He's a highly talented kid with major flaws. And teams are exploiting those flaws.

Valid points. But you grow your game when your OC is your boss and not your buddy. Josh needs a guru to make him grow as a QB. He regressed a lot under Dorsey.

[GoBills808]

Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Then I stand corrected!

 

That's even more concerning, then, if he's putting in the work and getting WORSE.

 

I'm confused by the whole thing at this point tbh

 

i mean they clearly made strides to change aspects of the offense from last season to this and that's born out in Allen's rushing, ADOT, etc yet haven't been able to find a consistent winning formula within scheme

 

imo and it's broken record at this point but we lack the horses on offense top to bottom and they keep trying to paper over it

[Aussie Joe]

1 hour ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

For those blaming Josh;  have you ever seen a qb lead the team in passing and rushing more times in a game than him?

 

Yes he's turning the ball over too much.  No he is not the problem.   He's a generational talent.  That doesn't make him immune to criticism but saying he's at fault is crazy, emotional talk.

Sorry .., but the turnovers are part of the  problem ..

 

He needs to get better too… 

 

I mean, you can respect his ability and the responsibility that he has to carry… and still expect that he has to take  better care of the ball…

Edited November 14, 2023 by Aussie Joe

[cgg716]

13 minutes ago, 34-30 said:

DC's are smart. Very smart. They watch the film. They take away what you want to do and force you to adjust and do something different. Its up to the offense..up to the QB...to make the adjustment and take what is left to them. Do that well and it forces the defense to do something else..opening up what you did originally..what you want to do.

 

Defenses know that Allen will throw it to them.  No need to readjust.  They know he'll beat them at times..a few plays here, a few plays there. But until he stops giving it away, they'll swallow their medicine on a few drives.  

 

Guys..his game isn't growing. If he has to be "freed" and allowed to do what he wants, thats not growth. Because teams aren't going to let that happen.  You can harp on coaching all you want...and yes, coaches had issues..but Allen needs to grow his game. He needs to stop pouting and looking lost and moping through a press conference and the turnovers have to stop. 

 

I don't think they will.  This is who he is. He's not a savior. He's a highly talented kid with major flaws. And teams are exploiting those flaws.

Good coaches hide defiences mediocre coaches can't fix them, bad coaches create them, like McDermott 

[L Ron Burgundy]

4 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

Seen or heard any reports of him still working with Palmer? I haven't.

 

Ok.  Does that mean he doesn't?  You are just speculating.  We have no clue how hard he worked on football in the offseason.   

[BeastMaster]

6 minutes ago, 34-30 said:

If he's leading in passing and rushing..thats a major issue with the offense. And if he's leading the offense in rushing and hurdling people, eventually your "generational talent" is going to be on the sideline taking up a huge chunk of your cap while some no name leads you nowhere. Because that no name isn't going to lead you in rushing and won't do much in the pass game either. 

 

He's not a generational talent.  A generational talent wears #15 and plays in KC.  He's just a very talented kid with major holes in his game. Nothing wrong with that. He's one of the most talented QB's in the league. The problem is we're starting to see major holes in his makeup as well.  He's not handling adversity all to well.

Put Mahomes in Buffalo with McDermott and Josh in KC with Reid and you would be saying Josh is the guy and Mahomes is the one with holes in his game.

 

Coaching matters, and this staff has screwed Josh up...BADLY

[Big Turk]

14 minutes ago, I'm Spartacus said:

Orlovsky seems extremely intelligent (at least to me), about offensive philosophy and insight. I was spitballing about hiring him as OC, but what makes your counter opinion/comment on him so sure fire wrong as a OC pick? Lets hear your best hire as OC my friend, so we can pick apart your opinion.

 

There is no surefire pick.  There are only ones that at least show they know how to coach Monday-Saturday first before they get a chance to call plays on Sunday.

 

 

[buffalo2218]

Just now, ProcessTruster said:

Mid season OC changeouts very rarely go well.   

Something had to be done, as stagnant as this offense has been, how much worse can it get? 

[34-30]

2 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Mahomes has had major, major advantages over Josh team-wise.  This year not receiving corp but every other year.   Offensive line and coaching as well.  He's had one offense to learn his career so far too.  

 

They are both generational qbs to me.  There are plays Pat can't make that Josh can and vice-versa.

 

Allen is closer to Justin Herbert than he is Patrick Mahomes.

[L Ron Burgundy]

3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Sorry .., but the turnovers are part of the part of the problem ..

 

He needs to get better too… 

 

I mean, you can respect his ability and the responsibility that he has to carry… and still expect that he has to take  better care of the ball…

Absolutely on needing to improve.   Him needing to improve and him being the problem, or part of it, aren't the same.  He's trying to do too much.

Edited November 14, 2023 by L Ron Burgundy

[BuffaloMatt]

3 hours ago, Bob Jones said:

Should have canned McClappy too, obviously. Dorsey is the scapegoat. He didn’t drop balls or throw INTs or fumble the ball. X4

The past six games (whole season) our offense has been predictable. The opposing DCs look like they are coaching the 85 Bears. This has made executing the plays more difficult and in turn has bearing on the turnovers, all year, not just last night. 

[folz]

This is why you don't let your QB make major decisions, like who should be the OC.

 

Pure speculation here, but could it be that since Josh wanted Dorsey so much that he continued backing him when other players (particularly Stef) saw major issues with the offense and/or Dorsey himself? Could this be what cooled their relationship, what Stef was upset about, what the problem in the locker room is? If Josh was on an island in his support of Dorsey, or if there was a split in the locker room about it (like with a QB controversy) that could be a cause of the "lack of fun," subdued, depressed sideline demeanor of the team and/or certain players, not being on the same page, etc. There are problems if your QB isn't the team leader with everyone following him...or if the team leaders aren't all pulling in the same direction.

 

If that were true, it still wouldn't leave McDermott blameless. He obviously needed to address that situation earlier then. Plus, he's the one that ultimately made the decision to hire Dorsey.

 

Well, now McD gets the rest of the season to prove that either Dorsey was the problem, or if instead Sean, himself, has lost this team. This team has suffered so much heartbreak and bad luck over the last two years that maybe the players have just lost faith in McDermott's "process." We'll see.

 

But, if he can't turn them around and go on a streak to end the season, then I'll no longer have confidence that he could turn them around next year. Sometimes you just need a change to exorcise all the bad juju that has built up.

 

At the start of the season I thought there is no way that McDermott gets fired unless the team totally tanks, which I didn't think possible, but here we are. Seven bad games out of ten isn't a slump, it is a collapse. Not sure if my speculations are correct, but there is obviously something seriously wrong with this team.

[I'm Spartacus]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

There is no surefire pick.  There are only ones that at least show they know how to coach Monday-Saturday first before they get a chance to call plays on Sunday.

 

 

Ok, you can expect a call from Sean this week.

[BuffaloMatt]

And they should have shitcanned Special Teams too. 

[Bill Grundy]

Rightly so. Dorsey has been a disaster. I didn't like him when he had his schoolboy breakdown last year and I don't like that he's been all about himself and not about the talent at his disposal. A toxic hire.

 

Definitely an act of self preservation from SM. But a good one. There's still a minor glimmer of hope of playoff football and SM is too central to so much of the side to get rid now out of spite. The season isn't mathematically over and it's not time to give up - but we miss nothing in Dorsey's absence. 

Edited November 14, 2023 by Bill Grundy

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, BuffaloMatt said:

The past six games (whole season) our offense has been predictable. The opposing DCs look like they are coaching the 85 Bears. This has made executing the plays more difficult and in turn has bearing on the turnovers, all year, not just last night. 

 

This has been a 2nd half of the season issue since 2021...the question needs to be asked, is the Daboll style offense short on "answers" once the DC's are able to adjust and take away what you do best?

2 minutes ago, I'm Spartacus said:

Ok, you can expect a call from Sean this week.

 

How would that make any sense based on what I said?  I'm not a football coach coaching Monday-Saturday.

[Brandon]

6 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

May have been heavily pressured to make a change or it was him to go 

 

Yeah,  I suspect that he had to unload Dorsey.  I'm glad it happened now rather than after the season.  If they continue to lose,  there won't be any more excuses. 

[L Ron Burgundy]

2 minutes ago, 34-30 said:

 

Allen is closer to Justin Herbert than he is Patrick Mahomes.

Herbert is great but I disagree.

 

I guess it's crazy to me the people that want to move on from him.  Your opinion and mine don't differ too much.

[WideNine]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

If Brady gets this O to light up the Jets he instantly becomes the hottest OC in the league.

 

I would temper that enthusiasm.

 

Outside of a very successful stint at LSU where one could argue he had an embarrassment of riches coaching Burrow and Chase, what has he done in the NFL?

 

And this is the dude that has been in the QB room with Allen during this performance regression.

 

Maybe more a joy and energy vampire than savior.

 

 

 

[DCBongo]

Dorseys play calling was not consistent.  He took away scripted QB runs, he never took Josh on.  Daboll would reem him when needed and pump him up when deflated.  I hope Brady stays on the sidelines so he can talk with Josh instead of QB1 sitting alone and looking despondent.