Wayne Arnold Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Just now, MJS said: So wrong. Allen is a a big problem right now. Turnovers are the biggest deciders of games. Allen turns it over more than anyone in the league. He's a Top 3 quarterback who isn't quite playing at that level despite leading the NFL in touchdowns. But that's a short-term problem. Coaching is a much bigger problem and much more to blame for the 5-5 record than our elite quarterback making a few mistakes. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkirk Donski Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, Bad Things said: Now, are just saying that? I’ve been calling Wgr for years. I’m a man of my word dammit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostbite Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 hours ago, boyst said: Yeah, all that's true but Denver is a terrible football team that we couldn't get off the field. We are supposed to have a better defense than most of the league even with injury. We have all these pretty stats, EPA, etc. but the defense has multiple chances to win this game and end last night and didn't. It has happened, what, like 3 times this year? Jacksonville? New England? The the NY? They got lucky against the giants, too. Think it's unfair to come at the defense here. They did get off the field. The offense kept putting them back out there through turnovers and 3 and outs. The last Broncos drive was pitiful no doubt but you really couldnt ask the defense to do more the rest of the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, 90sBills said: Man the length some fans go to excuse our franchise QB from any accountability. No wonder he feels like not working hard in the offseason to improve. In his mind he probably thinks he’s the greatest because most of the fanbase keep saying it. He's not playing to his full potential right now. That happens to quarterbacks - even the great ones have rough stretches when the program is stale from a coaching staff that has lost the team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sestak4ever Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 McDermott was fired by Andy Reid because he constantly failed to adjust when his schemes weren’t working. Seems like he never learned from it. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 16 minutes ago, clayboy54 said: I think you're incorrect about that. Dorsey is an "I'm the smartest guy in the room" type guy. Remember the temper tantrum? Yes, he is a bright young mind. He is exceptionally smart. But, anyone who thinks they're so much smarter than the rest is bound to fail. You also typically lose the respect of your subordinants too, because you simply do not listen to their input, or put them in the best position to take advantage of their strengths. Instead, you force them into positions that suit you. So, Dorsey tried to show-up McD and the other coaches every day. He also tried to do the same to his offense. Buh bye, Kenny! I'm unaware of Dorsey trying to show up the other coaches. Where did you hear that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 It just really doesn't sit well with me that in a game where there was a glaring problem with the teams preparedness and execution in all three phases, that they singled out the guy that probably deserved the least amount of blame lastnight. McDermott needs to be held accountable 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-30 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said: He's a Top 3 quarterback who isn't quite playing at that level despite leading the NFL in touchdowns. But that's a short-term problem. Coaching is a much bigger problem and much more to blame for the 5-5 record than our elite quarterback making a few mistakes. QB's turning it over at this rate aren't elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: What do you mean- benching cook turned him into abeast. It might have been tone of the few things they did right that game who knows if it would have been different had he stayed in. dorsey likely had to abandon all of the plays he had drawn up, regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Frostbite said: Think it's unfair to come at the defense here. They did get off the field. The offense kept putting them back out there through turnovers and 3 and outs. The last Broncos drive was pitiful no doubt but you really couldnt ask the defense to do more the rest of the game. Seems to happen every loss. The offense is clunky, frustrating to watch, struggles to put points on the board. The defense is plucky and does a good job of preventing scores and keeping the team in it. At the end of the game the offense steps up and takes the lead with a clutch touchdown. And then Defense chokes and loses at the last second. It's a theme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: He's a Top 3 quarterback who isn't quite playing at that level despite leading the NFL in touchdowns. But that's a short-term problem. Coaching is a much bigger problem and much more to blame for the 5-5 record than our elite quarterback making a few mistakes. I don't understand how anyone is blaming the execution of the players for these losses as if there's no direct correlation between player success, playcalling, and game preparation during the week. The coaches are responsible for getting their players ready to play and execute the gameplan. The coaches are responsible for the gameplan. When one guy is making a blunder then it's on the player. When everyone is doing it then it is on the coaching. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, Frostbite said: Think it's unfair to come at the defense here. They did get off the field. The offense kept putting them back out there through turnovers and 3 and outs. The last Broncos drive was pitiful no doubt but you really couldnt ask the defense to do more the rest of the game. i can ask them to tackle better. to not have breakdowns in their execution. to make better reads. they haven't lost a game this year by attrition. they've not been seeming to play tired. just uninspired and demotivated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-30 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 14 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: He consistently scores more touchdowns than anyone. Touchdowns are a good thing. In a list of 100 things that has to be fixed with this franchise, Josh Allen is not on the list. Not only is he in the top 100..he's in the top 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Dave Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Just now, Wayne Arnold said: Seems to happen every loss. The offense is clunky, frustrating to watch, struggles to put points on the board. The defense is plucky and does a good job of preventing scores and keeping the team in it. At the end of the game the offense steps up and takes the lead with a clutch touchdown. And then Defense chokes and loses at the last second. It's a theme. YES! That is EXACTLY how most of the past several games have gone. The defense plays OK most of the game but then chokes in the very end (They basically choked in the Giants loss too, but the TD pass went incomplete). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Cheney Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 minute ago, BeastMaster said: It just really doesn't sit well with me that in a game where there was a glaring problem with the teams preparedness and execution in all three phases, that they singled out the guy that probably deserved the least amount of blame lastnight. McDermott needs to be held accountable It is also not the first time that this has been evident. Regardless of the issue of players executing properly, it's very clear that this team has and has had a serious leadership problem, and that the decision making ability of the coaches is simply not at a championship level of performance. Unless Joe Brady is able to scheme a truly dominate offense that compensates for these other errors and shortcomings, I think that McD is done after this year. Almost for certain if we miss the playoffs, and still very likely if we fall short of the AFC Championship Game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 About time too. Not putting James Cook back in after getting the ball ripped out in order to help him regain confidence was not the right thing to do. Ken Dorsey turned Josh Allen into Sam Darnold...If you consistently throw an interception on one particular pass play...take it out of the playbook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Just now, 90sBills said: Sure why not. Don’t care about interceptions as he’s throwing them to the other teams almost on a weekly basis. But it’s no big deal. I’m sure there’s no stats at all that supports losing the turnover battle in a game leads to losing games. No, it's really not a big deal unless the QB is throwing an unusually high number of them. 14 or 15 a year, which is what it has been before now is definitely manageable. The Bills' record in recent years before this one is proof enough of that. Whatever is wrong with this offense is more than just interceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 8 minutes ago, I'm Spartacus said: I would look to hiring Dan Orlovsky as OC during the off season. Thank god you’re not in charge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, Sestak4ever said: McDermott was fired by Andy Reid because he constantly failed to adjust when his schemes weren’t working. Seems like he never learned from it. Why didn't Terry see this as a huge red flag? Maybe because Andy hadn't landed Patrick yet. McDermott is an incredibly stubborn and conservative coach. That's why he never got along with Daboll. Diggs was right...Daboll was right....and the insufferable McD fanboys were just too naive to see it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heels20X6 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 31 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: I know some felt this would be a desirable OC landing spot, but is it really? You want to attach yourself to McD right now? He has a history of releasing coordinators and he's on his way out the door. No sane OC would take this job. I agree we needed to move on, but I don't see what I just outlined as not being the state of the union. The opportunity would be there to take over as HC if he's shown the door mid-season, It's a backdoor way to becoming an HC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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