34-30 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 10 minutes ago, Heels20X6 said: EXACTLY. This is the issue I have with the offense. There are no major injuries (Knox aside) but they are unable to get into any sort of rhythm. There is no reason for this team to be relying on the defense in a two-minute drill to protect a 1-4 point lead. Against these mediocre teams like the Jets, Pats and Broncos, they should be spotting the defense a 21-30 point lead. It's baffling how out of sync they are. DC's are smart. Very smart. They watch the film. They take away what you want to do and force you to adjust and do something different. Its up to the offense..up to the QB...to make the adjustment and take what is left to them. Do that well and it forces the defense to do something else..opening up what you did originally..what you want to do. Defenses know that Allen will throw it to them. No need to readjust. They know he'll beat them at times..a few plays here, a few plays there. But until he stops giving it away, they'll swallow their medicine on a few drives. Guys..his game isn't growing. If he has to be "freed" and allowed to do what he wants, thats not growth. Because teams aren't going to let that happen. You can harp on coaching all you want...and yes, coaches had issues..but Allen needs to grow his game. He needs to stop pouting and looking lost and moping through a press conference and the turnovers have to stop. I don't think they will. This is who he is. He's not a savior. He's a highly talented kid with major flaws. And teams are exploiting those flaws. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 25 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Agree...it's easy to break down stuff on Twitter...he has never been a coach...how did that work out for Jeff Saturday and the Colts? Orlovsky seems extremely intelligent (at least to me), about offensive philosophy and insight. I was spitballing about hiring him as OC, but what makes your counter opinion/comment on him so sure fire wrong as a OC pick? Lets hear your best hire as OC my friend, so we can pick apart your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 For those blaming Josh; have you ever seen a qb lead the team in passing and rushing more times in a game than him? Yes he's turning the ball over too much. No he is not the problem. He's a generational talent. That doesn't make him immune to criticism but saying he's at fault is crazy, emotional talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballhawk Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: No, but guys like Tre/Von/Hyde/Poyer it most CERTAINLY is. True but on balance with: Milano (27) Benford (23) Sherfield (27) Knox (26) Harris (26) Shorter (23) Doyle (25) It's not entirely age driven, in fact as far as roster construction goes there's a pretty decent amount of young guys injured as well. Look I get injuries are often perceived as a weak excuse, all I'm saying is in the extreme (though few NFL coaches will ever acknowledge it publicly) there is a tipping point... Edited November 14, 2023 by Ballhawk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful Dodger Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 The thing that most confused me about Dorsey is that as soon as something worked, he would immediately do something else. In the Cinci game, on the first drive, they had a lot of success with an uptempo, no-huddle offense, so of course they went away from that for much of the rest of the game. Then, when time was nearly out and they had to drive the ball down the field quickly, they did, easily. I could never figure out what was going on in the guy's head. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: If this thing flops there will be nowhere left to turn with McDermott. Worry about the defense blowing leads and stay the ***** out of the offensive room. If you wanna show Brady how to get guys wide open on 3rd down, show him tapes of opponents against our defense Fire the defensive coordinator! Accountability! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, 34-30 said: DC's are smart. Very smart. They watch the film. They take away what you want to do and force you to adjust and do something different. Its up to the offense..up to the QB...to make the adjustment and take what is left to them. Do that well and it forces the defense to do something else..opening up what you did originally..what you want to do. Defenses know that Allen will throw it to them. No need to readjust. They know he'll beat them at times..a few plays here, a few plays there. But until he stops giving it away, they'll swallow their medicine on a few drives. Guys..his game isn't growing. If he has to be "freed" and allowed to do what he wants, thats not growth. Because teams aren't going to let that happen. You can harp on coaching all you want...and yes, coaches had issues..but Allen needs to grow his game. He needs to stop pouting and looking lost and moping through a press conference and the turnovers have to stop. I don't think they will. This is who he is. He's not a savior. He's a highly talented kid with major flaws. And teams are exploiting those flaws. Whoever you are, you need to post more, this is 100% correct. His first three seasons, he spent the offseason putting in the WORK to elevate this game. Haven't seen that the past two. Is it that he thinks he's made it now that he's sitting on a veritable mountain of cash? Who knows 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jukester Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, I'm Spartacus said: Orlovsky seems extremely intelligent (at least to me), about offensive philosophy and insight. I was spitballing about hiring him as OC, but what makes your counter opinion/comment on him so sure fire wrong as a OC pick? Lets hear your best hire as OC my friend, so we can pick apart your opinion. Funny thing is, in the segment with McAfee today, he said he is interested in and hopes to get a shot at an NFL OC job some day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-30 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: For those blaming Josh; have you ever seen a qb lead the team in passing and rushing more times in a game than him? Yes he's turning the ball over too much. No he is not the problem. He's a generational talent. That doesn't make him immune to criticism but saying he's at fault is crazy, emotional talk. If he's leading in passing and rushing..thats a major issue with the offense. And if he's leading the offense in rushing and hurdling people, eventually your "generational talent" is going to be on the sideline taking up a huge chunk of your cap while some no name leads you nowhere. Because that no name isn't going to lead you in rushing and won't do much in the pass game either. He's not a generational talent. A generational talent wears #15 and plays in KC. He's just a very talented kid with major holes in his game. Nothing wrong with that. He's one of the most talented QB's in the league. The problem is we're starting to see major holes in his makeup as well. He's not handling adversity all to well. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Whoever you are, you need to post more, this is 100% correct. His first three seasons, he spent the offseason putting in the WORK to elevate this game. Haven't seen that the past two. Is it that he thinks he's made it now that he's sitting on a veritable mountain of cash? Who knows Oh you're an expert on his offseason. Got it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Just now, L Ron Burgundy said: Oh you're an expert on his offseason. Got it. Seen or heard any reports of him still working with Palmer? I haven't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Honestly surprised McD had the stones to do this midseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Seen or heard any reports of him still working with Palmer? I haven't. he still does 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said: This sounds like the theme of "Team of Rivals," and I don't agree. I've been blessed to be part of some very high-performing military and business teams that were characterized by great relationships. There was no complacency. Patton once said something to the effect that if ten people are thinking alike, then only nine are thinking. Disagreement is a necessary part of a leadership team. But the members of the team can still have great relationships. Look at Earnest Shackleton's leadership team. His men described Shackleton like this, "The greatest leader than ever came on God's green earth, bar none..." "I don't think there's any doubt that we all owe our lives to his leadership...." "For all the best points of leadership the palm must be given to Shackleton." There was extraordinarily little "friction/tension" on his leadership team. Shackleton, in fact, did everything he could to minimize the tension and maximize the harmony. His leadership team had great relationships and accomplished amazing things together. Excuse my ignorance. But who is Earnest Shackleton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 minute ago, QCity said: Honestly surprised McD had the stones to do this midseason. May have been heavily pressured to make a change or it was him to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Just now, GoBills808 said: he still does Then I stand corrected! That's even more concerning, then, if he's putting in the work and getting WORSE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 minute ago, 34-30 said: If he's leading in passing and rushing..thats a major issue with the offense. And if he's leading the offense in rushing and hurdling people, eventually your "generational talent" is going to be on the sideline taking up a huge chunk of your cap while some no name leads you nowhere. Because that no name isn't going to lead you in rushing and won't do much in the pass game either. He's not a generational talent. A generational talent wears #15 and plays in KC. He's just a very talented kid with major holes in his game. Nothing wrong with that. He's one of the most talented QB's in the league. The problem is we're starting to see major holes in his makeup as well. He's not handling adversity all to well. Mahomes has had major, major advantages over Josh team-wise. This year not receiving corp but every other year. Offensive line and coaching as well. He's had one offense to learn his career so far too. They are both generational qbs to me. There are plays Pat can't make that Josh can and vice-versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Just now, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Then I stand corrected! That's even more concerning, then, if he's putting in the work and getting WORSE. Maybe the offensive coordinator and scheme stinks, and the small success Allen has was despite that. It’s possible… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Absolutely insane to me that having 12 men on the field during the final kick was the nail in the coffin for Dorsey. If we squeak out a win , dorsey isn't fired and we are probably stuck with him for the rest of the year. Losing that game may have been the best thing that could have happened to this franchise. Is this the turning point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 3 hours ago, May Day 10 said: Its about time. I was worried that McDermott was going to save this bullet to sacrifice to the angry gods at the end of the season. Let's go now!!! Mid season OC changeouts very rarely go well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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