DORSEY FIRED, Joe Brady Interim OC

[Big Turk]

Listening to McD's Press Conference. He said something interesting about why he made the changes and something that stuck out to me was that he said "sometimes there are a lot of things that are in the margins that don't necessarily get noticed and you have to take pride on doing things the right way."  

 

Translation to me is that Dorsey allowed sloppiness in practice that then translated over to games.  

[Augie]

 

 

This is more entertaining than the games!   😋

[MrJanuary]

1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

He has the potential to be as good as Mahomes.  Maybe better.  But he's currently playing at a lower level.  

 

LMAO

Edited November 14, 2023 by MrJanuary

[Scott7975]

6 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Players are saying its too complicated? The general consensus on the board is that it is too bland and basic and defenses key in on it. 

 

Yes at least 3 players have commented that its the most complicated offense they have ever seen.  That includes Diggs making the comment as well.  I don't care what the general consensus on the board is.  It can be both bland and basic from a presnap standpoint and complicated post snap when most of the board, including myself has no idea what they are looking at.  @HoofHearted has said these guys can run like 5 different routes between pre and post snap.  You think thats easy for everyone to be on the same page all the time?

 

Bottom line is these guys need to get back to basic football.  Dorsey wasn't getting the job done.  The QB isnt getting traded because he throws INTs.  Cook isnt getting traded because he fumbled the football. Kincaid isnt getting traded because he dropped a football. Diggs isnt getting traded because the media wants to stir drama.  They also can't just status quo every week.  Change needed to happen.  This isn't just about one week.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Scott7975

[BeastMaster]

Just now, Big Turk said:

Listening to McD's Press Conference. He said something interesting about why he made the changes and something that stuck out to me was that he said "sometimes there are a lot of things that are in the margins that don't necessarily get noticed and you have to take pride on doing things the right way."  

 

Translation to me is that Dorsey allowed sloppiness in practice that then translated over to games.  

Maybe he can then talk about the special teams failures like the one that cost us the win lastnight, and why teams can move the ball against his defense at will when the game is on the line?

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Yes at least 3 players have commented that its the most complicated offense they have ever seen.  That includes Diggs making the comment as well.  I don't care what the general consensus on the board is.  It can be both bland and basic from a presnap standpoint and complicated post snap when most of the board, including myself has no idea what they are looking at.  @HoofHearted has said these guys can run like 5 different routes between pre and post snap.  You think thats easy for everyone to be on the same page all the time?

 

Bottom line is these guys need to get back to basic football.  Dorsey wasn't getting the job done.  The QB isnt getting traded because he throws INTs.  Cook isnt getting traded because he fumbled the football. Kincaid isnt getting traded because he dropped a football. Diggs isnt getting traded because the media wants to stir drama.

It's mostly his brother stirring the drama on Twitter, but yeah.

[SoonerBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Norcalbillsfan said:

Agreed, it's a pretty perfect situation for Brady (other than facing the jets D). He's getting a healthy offense at its rock bottom, he can go in and scheme some simple run game to play action and at least make it look like the offense is semi competent and it's a win for him.

Just go into the playbook and find what he ran with Burrow at LSU.  Plays are freaking plays, concepts are concepts.

 

There ARE plays he ran at LSU just naming convention is different.  

 

Look K gun this ****   12-15 pass plays and 7-8 run plays  based on the opponent that week.  Just go simple and execute

[boyst]

7 minutes ago, schoolhouserock said:

Daboll and zen are two concepts that don’t belong together.

 

I can see trust, however.

You only saw him during games. 

[What a Tuel]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Yes at least 3 players have commented that its the most complicated offense they have ever seen.  That includes Diggs making the comment as well.  I don't care what the general consensus on the board is.  It can be both bland and basic from a presnap standpoint and complicated post snap when most of the board, including myself has no idea what they are looking at.  @HoofHearted has said these guys can run like 5 different routes between pre and post snap.  You think thats easy for everyone to be on the same page all the time?

 

Bottom line is these guys need to get back to basic football.  Dorsey wasn't getting the job done.  The QB isnt getting traded because he throws INTs.  Cook isnt getting traded because he fumbled the football. Kincaid isnt getting traded because he dropped a football. Diggs isnt getting traded because the media wants to stir drama.

 

Well there have been opposing defensive players that have made claims of a basic offense which is where I believe people are picking it up from.

 

That and the route trees aren't very creative with wrs bunched together all the time, but I guess that could be the complexity? 

[SoonerBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Listening to McD's Press Conference. He said something interesting about why he made the changes and something that stuck out to me was that he said "sometimes there are a lot of things that are in the margins that don't necessarily get noticed and you have to take pride on doing things the right way."  

 

Translation to me is that Dorsey allowed sloppiness in practice that then translated over to games.  

Sounds like dorsey was afraid to upset Josh.  If so tough ****  Josh needs a foot in his butt with how crappy he has been playing.  Davol was on him hard.

 

Hell maybe thats part of the problem. Maybe Josh needs to toughen up.  Hell  who knows anymore

[Heitz]

4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Listening to McD's Press Conference. He said something interesting about why he made the changes and something that stuck out to me was that he said "sometimes there are a lot of things that are in the margins that don't necessarily get noticed and you have to take pride on doing things the right way."  

 

Translation to me is that Dorsey allowed sloppiness in practice that then translated over to games.  

 

At least he said things were not going the way he wanted, the O hasn't been making strides and it was time to make a change.  Sure was... 👀👀👀  

 

Also acknowledged that the O was good against Miami, but has sucked the rest of the season.  Sure has.  

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Well there have been opposing defensive players that have made claims of a basic offense which is where I believe people are picking it up from.

 

That and the route trees aren't very creative with wrs bunched together all the time, but I guess that could be the complexity? 

 

I'm not smart enough to know.  I know what I heard from players mouths though.  

[schoolhouserock]

5 minutes ago, boyst said:

You only saw him during games. 

You saw him more?

[DapperCam]

11 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Players are saying its too complicated? The general consensus on the board is that it is too bland and basic and defenses key in on it. 

 

I think it's complicated because there are a million options the receivers can take on their routes depending on what the defense shows. The problem is that Allen and the WR have to see the same thing.

It's simple and predictable because we seem to just line up and go. No motion, no jet sweeps, no mixing it up with different types of running plays.

It requires perfection from the players to run well, which isn't reasonable.

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Yes at least 3 players have commented that its the most complicated offense they have ever seen.  That includes Diggs making the comment as well.  I don't care what the general consensus on the board is.  It can be both bland and basic from a presnap standpoint and complicated post snap when most of the board, including myself has no idea what they are looking at.  @HoofHearted has said these guys can run like 5 different routes between pre and post snap.  You think thats easy for everyone to be on the same page all the time?

 

Bottom line is these guys need to get back to basic football.  Dorsey wasn't getting the job done.  The QB isnt getting traded because he throws INTs.  Cook isnt getting traded because he fumbled the football. Kincaid isnt getting traded because he dropped a football. Diggs isnt getting traded because the media wants to stir drama.  They also can't just status quo every week.  Change needed to happen.  This isn't just about one week.

They are professional football players... People have been running run n shoot concepts for 30 years

 

College teams have it down to a science... It's not exactly brain surgery for NFL wide receivers to run option routes... We were well oiled machine running them with Beasley and diggs and John Brown

 

What we are is a sloppy offense and that all comes down to coaching

 

 

[NewEra]

13 minutes ago, FireChans said:

What?

Consider the source

[What a Tuel]

1 minute ago, DapperCam said:

 

I think it's complicated because there are a million options the receivers can take on their routes depending on what the defense shows. The problem is that Allen and the WR have to see the same thing.

It's simple and predictable because we seem to just line up and go. No motion, no jet sweeps, no mixing it up with different types of running plays.

It requires perfection from the players to run well, which isn't reasonable.

 

Do we think Joe Brady will run a different offense? How is he expected to put something like that into place? Or do we just fly by the seat of our pants for two weeks and work it out in the bye?

[Bruffalo]

5 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Sounds like dorsey was afraid to upset Josh.  If so tough ****  Josh needs a foot in his butt with how crappy he has been playing.  Davol was on him hard.

 

Hell maybe thats part of the problem. Maybe Josh needs to toughen up.  Hell  who knows anymore

What a leap in logic. There was nothing said to indicate that at all. 

[DapperCam]

Just now, What a Tuel said:

 

Do we think Joe Brady will run a different offense? How is he expected to put something like that into place? Or do we just fly by the seat of our pants for two weeks and work it out in the bye?

 

I don't think it is likely he will run a different offense. My guess is he picks the simplest subset of the offense and run that. A "back to basics" sort of thing. Maybe during the bye week he can come up with some of his own wrinkle.

[Scott7975]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

What we are is a sloppy offense and that all comes down to coaching

Yeah kinda what I said in the beginning.  Its the coaches job to get these guys to execute and he has had a year and a half to do so.  It aint working.  Time for change. Unfortunately, its late in the year to change anything significant.  All they can really do at this point is put together a package of stuff they work well at.  This year is shot.