Nuncha Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) Has this coaching staff EVER benched anyone for underperforming? It's beyond time to send a message. Edited October 23, 2023 by Nuncha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Buffalo68 said: By pointing out one change that should be contemplated? Because it doesn't matter in the end. Shakir or Davis makes no difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Nuncha said: Has this coaching staff EVER benched anyone for underperforming? It's beyond time to send a message. Dorian williams at halftime of... this game? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 8 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I think the issue is run blocking. This staff is in love with Gabe. Not sure how effective Shakir is at run blocking I see gabe motion inside - and I’m think here comes a run. And then he usually always loses vs a Lb and DE. So. Yea. Don’t run that play. Let’s see other wr on outside. Run harty on clearing routes from outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I'd also like to see a bit more of harty than we're seeing. Davis at 96% of snaps completely limits what you can do with your other players since its a split between kincaid, knox, sherfield, harty, shakir. Just too many people moving in and out of the lineup to make any level of consistent impact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 How quickly we forget Shakir's drop issues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Virgil said: How quickly we forget Shakir's drop issues Desperation has that effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Agreed. He can run a route Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Shakir is sneaky quick in his routes. He does have a case of the drops as well but at least he can give you more in route running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juno999 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) Need to do something different on offense. Run 11 personnel more and see if they can get production from another receiver besides Diggs. Edited October 23, 2023 by juno999 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: Dorian williams at halftime of... this game? LOL that has been an ongoing thing since Milano went down. Trying to figure out who is better at the position doesn't count as a "benching". Williams will probably start Thursday. Edited October 23, 2023 by Nuncha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 38 minutes ago, Virgil said: How quickly we forget Shakir's drop issues No one has forgotten. But he’s improved dramatically. Davis simply sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I think Shakir did his job yesterday....but to be fair he didnt look great prior to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Davis is the same he always has been. Occasional impact game, then many games of poor showings. He has a limited route tree, unreliable hands, and can’t get separation anywhere that doesn’t require him running mostly in straight lines. Shakir has been making plays every time he is called upon this year, and with the dominant number of snaps being given to Davis at WR while also running 12 personnel so often, it had severely limited the targets and snaps for guys like Shakir. Davis is getting too many reps to be producing this little. Time to get other guys involved who are better route runners and more reliable hands, and that starts with Shakir at WR and Kincaid at TE. As Josh says, there are a bunch of OC's in the stands, and I'm sure Cover 1 and Joe Marino will rush in to defend Gabe's honor in the All-22 - he was open, that's a tough defense, Josh just didn't look his way, his wasn't the primary read. Blah, blah, blah. He MUST be on the field because he blocks well - in fact - Sal C just repeated this AGAIN on WGR right now. Our GM just gushes over how hard Gabe works. But yes, said this after the Jets game, skill position is average, and why Gabe can't be rotated for at all? Anyone signing up for 4-5 more years of Gabe Davis as your #2? What would happen if you took Gabe off the field and just put Harty in his place? Or run 11 with Diggs - Harty - Shakir - Kincaid? I don't know that it solves finishing on 1st half drives, but 4 catches - 27 yards the last two weeks for Gabe. Edited October 23, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrochester55 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) It is clear that Gabe Davis is not a #2 and is better suited as a #3 or #4 deep option, but no one on the team right now is good enough to replace him. What has Shakir done outside of preseason that made you saw "wow, he is going to be a starter for years"? It's the same trap that we fell into during the drought era, if someone does anything in a position with no production we overrate that and imagine them as better than they end up being. There is a difference between better than other bad players and good. Even marginal players like Deonte Thompson and David Nelson can have 40-60 catches a season if in a scheme with no one to throw to. If someone wants to argue that Shakir should get reps over Sherfield and Harty, I am 100% on board. As a steady #2 receiver or over Davis, I am not there yet. I would rather have Buffalo trade for a veteran receiver if they want to try and be a serious playoff contender. I would even take back Beasley Or Brown as they are today at this point over Davis, Harty and Sherfield. Of course if Buffalo does fall out of contention, then things change and I agree with Seeing what Shakir and Shorter can do so that we can see if they add value to the team long term. Edited October 23, 2023 by dgrochester55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 wont matter , neither are the answer Get some high end talent to go with your stud qb Beane Quit effing around and get real nfl weapons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 we are running stuff that doesnt' work, we are running stuff that does work, and we are running some real goof stuff that needs to get gone. we still can score on anyone, allen is still allen. im for whatever change up will loosen things up. one thing, we nee allen, cook, diggs, and dalton w the ball in their hands making plays more, not less. bringing in murray to run picks and knox to drop targets just isn't working. allen isnt' running at all now. that's a serious weapon we haven't taken the safety off of yet. i do think if we can get better prepared pre snap sooner (we figure it out, but late in the game), and just design stuff to hit those 3 weapons and allen, we can be monsters again. on d, we need mcd to earn his paycheck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: hard to drop passes on a 4 yard route Knox manages. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 On third and Long Shakir runs an eight or 10 yard route well short of the sticks, and Allen throws it beyond the sticks for an incomplete pass. Don’t know who is wrong there, but I have to think the idea is to run a route beyond the sticks and pick up the first down. there seem to be a perfect hole where Allen threw the ball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Williams Available Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 10 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I think the issue is run blocking. This staff is in love with Gabe. Not sure how effective Shakir is at run blocking Blocking is the most teachable skill for a WR. Route running and catching, not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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