Alphadawg7 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Davis is the same he always has been. Occasional impact game, then many games of poor showings. He has a limited route tree, unreliable hands, and can’t get separation anywhere that doesn’t require him running mostly in straight lines. Shakir has been making plays every time he is called upon this year, and with the dominant number of snaps being given to Davis at WR while also running 12 personnel so often, it had severely limited the targets and snaps for guys like Shakir. Davis is getting too many reps to be producing this little. Time to get other guys involved who are better route runners and more reliable hands, and that starts with Shakir at WR and Kincaid at TE. 11 1 17 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Not sure Shakir has more reliable hands, but I love the potential of he and Kincaid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I think the issue is run blocking. This staff is in love with Gabe. Not sure how effective Shakir is at run blocking 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 23, 2023 Author Share Posted October 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I think the issue is run blocking. This staff is in love with Gabe. Not sure how effective Shakir is at run blocking Shakir had several nice blocks today that I saw and last week too. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I’m with you regarding Kincaid....along with Diggs and Cook, they were the only 3 players who showed up on Offense. There is no reason Kincaid shouldn’t be getting the second most targets behind Diggs. 3 1 5 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 23, 2023 Author Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Not sure Shakir has more reliable hands, but I love the potential of he and Kincaid. He has no dropped passes this year while Knox and Davis are out there killing drives with drops 2 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Throwing deck chairs off the Titanic. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Let Gabe rotate with the others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 23, 2023 Author Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Dr.Sack said: Let Gabe rotate with the others. Exactly…This is my point, he isn’t doing enough to dominate the snap count like he has, especially since Dorsey is obsessed with the 12 personnel which further limits the other receivers usage 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: Exactly…This is my point, he isn’t doing enough to dominate the snap count like he has, especially since Dorsey is obsessed with the 12 personnel which further limits the other receivers usage Scrap 12 for 11. And play Kincaid 90% of those snaps in 11 or more. Knox is a blocker and RZ only target. He’s just not good between the 20s. 2 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Davis is the same he always has been. Occasional impact game, then many games of poor showings. He has a limited route tree, unreliable hands, and can’t get separation anywhere that doesn’t require him running mostly in straight lines. Shakir has been making plays every time he is called upon this year, and with the dominant number of snaps being given to Davis at WR while also running 12 personnel so often, it had severely limited the targets and snaps for guys like Shakir. Davis is getting too many reps to be producing this little. Time to get other guys involved who are better route runners and more reliable hands, and that starts with Shakir at WR and Kincaid at TE. i see your Shakir and raise you Andy Beasley, i mean Isabella in the slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouds Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I’d love for Shakir to get some serious targets but he’s not even getting love in the slot right now. Hard to see a scenario where they give him more run over Gabe when they don’t give him targets in the slot. The personnel usage is a downright disaster so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: He has no dropped passes this year while Knox and Davis are out there killing drives with drops I think I remember one vs Jags on third down that should have been caught, probably wasn't scored a drop tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) I just wish Gabe Davis was good again. How about that? Isn’t that what coaches are supposed to do? Especially at this level, right? And it’s not just McDermott. Dorsey runs the offense. He can call Davis in, and set him up for more success. And, if he has a limited route tree, then scheme to get him open. He’s a dynamic deep threat, scheme that more than once a game. It’s on Davis to make plays, and stop the drops. I don’t understand how he has regressed so much over the past season. It’s not his ankle anymore. Edited October 23, 2023 by RobbRiddicksTDLeap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Ballin Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 29 minutes ago, Special K said: I’m with you regarding Kincaid....along with Diggs and Cook, they were the only 3 players who showed up on Offense. There is no reason Kincaid shouldn’t be getting the second most targets behind Diggs. Agreed regarding Kincaid. Rookie Tight End of the Detroit Lions, Sam LaPorta, is getting tons of targets becoming the 2nd WR. Josh Allen, Dorsey, and McDermott need to establish this for Kincaid ASAP. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 At this point I'm moving on from Davis. Not just from a contract basis but targets too. We can no longer waste going his way. It's not like he's getting retained. Give Shakir & Kincaid all Gabe's targets. Time for Josh to start developing a better throwing relationship with these 2. Besides I still think they go after Adams. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: At this point I'm moving on from Davis. Not just from a contract basis but targets too. We can no longer waste going his way. It's not like he's getting retained. Give Shakir & Kincaid all Gabe's targets. Time for Josh to start developing a better throwing relationship with these 2. Besides I still think they go after Adams. That would be fantastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouds Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) https://x.com/Cover1/status/1716176555326537766?s=20 Great throw by Josh but Shakir knows hes not getting the ball from the jump, lol, and it's 1st down. Edited October 23, 2023 by bouds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 29 minutes ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said: I don’t understand how he has regressed so much over the past season. He hasn't regressed. He's actually having a more efficient season than usual this year. He is just inherently a limited player. And you can't scheme up a bunch of slow developing vertical routes every game, which is all that Davis is really good for. They have intentionally lowered his targets, they just haven't really had anyone worthwhile to redistribute them to. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 40 minutes ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said: I just wish Gabe Davis was good again. How about that? Isn’t that what coaches are supposed to do? Especially at this level, right? And it’s not just McDermott. Dorsey runs the offense. He can call Davis in, and set him up for more success. And, if he has a limited route tree, then scheme to get him open. He’s a dynamic deep threat, scheme that more than once a game. It’s on Davis to make plays, and stop the drops. I don’t understand how he has regressed so much over the past season. It’s not his ankle anymore. Has he regressed? Or has he just not improved? Was Davis ever "good" outside of 2 or 3 games? Think it's been a myth outside of a couple games and that he is a large target that Allen can find when in scramble mode which has led to memorable plays 12 minutes ago, HappyDays said: He hasn't regressed. He's actually having a more efficient season than usual this year. He is just inherently a limited player. And you can't scheme up a bunch of slow developing vertical routes every game, which is all that Davis is really good for. They have intentionally lowered his targets, they just haven't really had anyone worthwhile to redistribute them to. I would love to see a bigger split between Davis, Shakir and harty in snaps as an outside receiver opposite diggs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I think the issue is run blocking. This staff is in love with Gabe. Not sure how effective Shakir is at run blocking Shakir is used in game to block. Usually him and Davis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Give Shakir Knox’s targets. Couldn’t hurt. 😎 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Bench Knox at times for more Shakir snaps and give Shakir some of Davis snaps. All year Shakir has made key catches in his limited snaps. Keep expanding his role he is a really solid WR between him and Kincaid Josh has some solid slot weapons to work with. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Shakir lacks RAC, but he does catch virtually every ball when targeted. Kincaid too. The two laggards, Davis & Knox need less targets and snaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Davis is the same he always has been. Occasional impact game, then many games of poor showings. He has a limited route tree, unreliable hands, and can’t get separation anywhere that doesn’t require him running mostly in straight lines. Shakir has been making plays every time he is called upon this year, and with the dominant number of snaps being given to Davis at WR while also running 12 personnel so often, it had severely limited the targets and snaps for guys like Shakir. Davis is getting too many reps to be producing this little. Time to get other guys involved who are better route runners and more reliable hands, and that starts with Shakir at WR and Kincaid at TE. I’m 100% on board with this. Shakir has earned a bigger role in what has turned into a busted offense. He and Kincaid should be the 2 and 3 options (alongside Cook). Park Knox on the bench or in the OL to block. 27 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: Shakir lacks RAC, but he does catch virtually every ball when targeted. Kincaid too. The two laggards, Davis & Knox need less targets and snaps. everyone on this team lacks YAC. Not that some of them can’t produce it, that’s a OC issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Seasoned vets don’t get sat under McD for poor play, just a talking to on a weekly basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Shakir and Sherfield should play over Gabe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Let Gabe rotate with the others. Seemed like he was yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: That would be fantastic Sure, add another old to the roster, why not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 dorsey should be drawing up plays to get the ball to diggs, kinkaid, and cook over all others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Davis is the same he always has been. Occasional impact game, then many games of poor showings. He has a limited route tree, unreliable hands, and can’t get separation anywhere that doesn’t require him running mostly in straight lines. Shakir has been making plays every time he is called upon this year, and with the dominant number of snaps being given to Davis at WR while also running 12 personnel so often, it had severely limited the targets and snaps for guys like Shakir. Davis is getting too many reps to be producing this little. Time to get other guys involved who are better route runners and more reliable hands, and that starts with Shakir at WR and Kincaid at TE. Can we have discussions without this nonsensical “prove me wrong” crap? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 6 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: He has no dropped passes this year while Knox and Davis are out there killing drives with drops hard to drop passes on a 4 yard route Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Scrap 12 for 11. And play Kincaid 90% of those snaps in 11 or more. Knox is a blocker and RZ only target. He’s just not good between the 20s. Agree. Knox cost nearly cost us the game last week. And this week his drop on 4th and 2 altered the game IMO potentially out of our favor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 7 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Shakir has been making plays every time he is called upon this year, and with the dominant number of snaps being given to Davis at WR while also running 12 personnel so often, it had severely limited the targets and snaps for guys like Shakir. Davis is getting too many reps to be producing this little. Time to get other guys involved who are better route runners and more reliable hands, and that starts with Shakir at WR and Kincaid at TE. , When they threw to Shakir late in the game and he made a clutch catch I yelled out the same thing. Seems like most of the good teams have a Shakir type player. Runs good routes, quick, good hands. Gabe is most effective (or used to be) when he runs straight down the field. Otherwise he seems kinda slow and easy to cover on short and intermediate routes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 6 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Scrap 12 for 11. And play Kincaid 90% of those snaps in 11 or more. Knox is a blocker and RZ only target. He’s just not good between the 20s. This is probably the best single observation I have seen posted on the board regarding yesterday's game and the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo68 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 7 hours ago, That's No Moon said: Throwing deck chairs off the Titanic. By pointing out one change that should be contemplated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 The use of Shakir is a puzzle to me. I thought he was brought in to fill the Beasley role but to date he seems to simply pop up out of nowhere from time to time and rarely where I expect. I’d love to see him used for those quick slants that Josh knew he could always throw to Cole when he needed an easy first down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Multiple obvious offensive changes needed. 1) Davis in Rotation until a reliable #2 can be found to both separate and catch the ***** ball! 2) Stone Hands Knox replaced by Morse, because he clearly cannot catch the ***** football! 3) Allen starts running again. This means Ds must spy and/defend which should open up WRs & TEs. 4) NO handoffs from Shotgun ever again. 5) Allen sneaks his big ass body with 1/ 1-2 yards to go… EVERY ***** TIME… and practice that Philly masse play! 6) Swing plays and some misdirection are incorporated by the OC. 7) The OC is on a short leash not to F up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 With a lucrative contract on the line, I would think we are seeing the best version of Gabe Davis. That being said if this is Gabe's best, he might be released instead of being offered a lucrative contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) Put Shakir on the the 9’ers Phins or Chefs 😉 he’d probably be racking up numbers. We have a staff that can scheme worth garbage. 8 receptions 9 targets this year. Throw him the ball. Edited October 23, 2023 by PayDaBill$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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