FireChans Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 13 minutes ago, finn said: Yeah, that's the usual argument. No disrespect intended, but it's lazy thinking. Are Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, and Trent Dilfer also better than Marino because they each won a Super Bowl? You have to take into account all sorts of other factors, especially the quality of the team around the QB, but also the coaching, ownership, the era (e.g., PI penalties), and how many healthy years he played. I'm not dissing Brady (although I despise his Marcia face), but having watched both him and Marino, there's no question, to me, that Marino was better. Put him on Brady's teams, let him play there until he was 45, and he would have won more championships. Is the difference between 1 to zero different than 7 to zero? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 59 minutes ago, FireChans said: Is the difference between 1 to zero different than 7 to zero? Some would say it's infinitely different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, finn said: Yeah, that's the usual argument. No disrespect intended, but it's lazy thinking. Are Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, and Trent Dilfer also better than Marino because they each won a Super Bowl? You have to take into account all sorts of other factors, especially the quality of the team around the QB, but also the coaching, ownership, the era (e.g., PI penalties), and how many healthy years he played. I'm not dissing Brady (although I despise his Marcia face), but having watched both him and Marino, there's no question, to me, that Marino was better. Put him on Brady's teams, let him play there until he was 45, and he would have won more championships. You play. To win. The game. Winning isn’t the only metric to use when evaluating QB, but it’s an important one. QBs do more than throw the ball. Taking care of the ball, not taking sacks, calling audibles, making clutch plays, and leadership are all important factors when evaluating a QB. I’m thinking that Brady was better than Marino in all of these facets. I used to think Bellichek was the best coach of all time. His record without Brady is making me reconsider that evaluation. Edited October 2, 2023 by pennstate10 Bellicheck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Might as well put this here. Go vote. https://www.nfl.com/voting/air-and-ground/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 On 10/2/2023 at 1:06 PM, finn said: Yeah, that's the usual argument. No disrespect intended, but it's lazy thinking. Are Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, and Trent Dilfer also better than Marino because they each won a Super Bowl? You have to take into account all sorts of other factors, especially the quality of the team around the QB, but also the coaching, ownership, the era (e.g., PI penalties), and how many healthy years he played. I'm not dissing Brady (although I despise his Marcia face), but having watched both him and Marino, there's no question, to me, that Marino was better. Put him on Brady's teams, let him play there until he was 45, and he would have won more championships. Toss in Mark Rypien Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 On 10/2/2023 at 11:25 AM, finn said: Some would say it's infinitely different. or undefined Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Come on Bills Mafia. Get your multiple votes in for Josh!🤘 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 4 hours ago, The Wiz said: Might as well put this here. Go vote. https://www.nfl.com/voting/air-and-ground/ This is different from the NFL's Weekly winners on Offense/Defense/ST for AFC and NFC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Idk I think Diggs should be PotW. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 27 minutes ago, ganesh said: This is different from the NFL's Weekly winners on Offense/Defense/ST for AFC and NFC. I know that but didn't feel it was necessary to start a 2nd thread that was basically related to the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills742 Posted October 4, 2023 Author Share Posted October 4, 2023 Thread updated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Dude needs to step it up, 4 games into the season now and only has 2 offensive player of the weeks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 7 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said: Dude needs to step it up, 4 games into the season now and only has 2 offensive player of the weeks! He’s just knocking the rust off. He should be fine in a week or 2 🤞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 From Bills PR (what an easy job): Josh Allen has been named AFC Offensive Player of the Week. Allen has now been named player of the week in 5 of his 11 career regular season games vs. the Miami Dolphins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 16 hours ago, dma0034 said: Idk I think Diggs should be PotW. Honestly I think he’d have been nominated if Josh didn’t go 158.3 - it’s literally the best score you can get. 5TD’s and 4 incompletions is just a crazy stat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Allen has now been named player of the week in 5 of his 11 career regular season games vs. the Miami Dolphins. That is too funny. “Who’s your daddy, phish people?” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Just now, WhoTom said: I hate how their relationship is in such decline. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 2 hours ago, WhoTom said: He had to say it to keep Baby Stef in line! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 3 hours ago, H2o said: I hate how their relationship is in such decline. If he took any praise for it the media would have came back and said "Josh thinks he's the reason he won this award?!?!?!" And then show a picture of diggs looking like he's yelling at Josh but it was actually right after the last TD he threw him and they were celebrating.... Or...... Were they????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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