The 2023 - ??? Edmunds Report

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

In fairness, there were a lot of people who loved Edmunds in Bills land.

 

they have disappeared and walk among us in shadow now. But we will never forget.

They spent two day two picks on linebackers in the last 2 years?

 

How is that “little?” 

Oh good … the safety sized guy who was benched or the one named after a ghost, because of what happens on game day? 

Is that the complication of big moves to address the situation 

??

Bernard gets dinged like he was all preseason and the offense will need to put up 50 ppg 

[GaryPinC]

2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

be glad all you want. Several things can be true.

 

1) despite Edmunds lack of instincts, his size and athleticism made him an effective starter in the middle of an excellent defensive year after year 

2) he wasn’t worth the deal he got from Chicago based on his shortcomings and he rarely created turnovers or factored into the pass rush 

3) most people who zeroed in on blaming him for long running plays have no clue how a gap defense works 

4) he still put enough good work on film to get paid a lot of money and multiple pro bowl nods. 
5) his availability has been very high

6) the organization did little to backfill a pretty critical area of the defense and one injury to milano (3rd season ending injury) later the defense is hosed 

7) he never really lived up to his draft pick

8- several good players considered him a good player.

 

1.  You forgot to mention Matt Milano helped make him an effective starter by helping cover for his shortcomings.  Bernard allowed Milano to become even more effective until the injury.

2.  Yep

3.  Most people who absolve Edmunds on long running plays ignore the fact that Edmunds dogs it regularly when the play is not right in front of him and refuses to physically take on blocks, preferring to backpedal relentlessly.

4.  He put enough good work on film in a contract year for a Chicago team desperate to make a splash after letting a quality LB walk.  Too many outsiders watch a couple tackle highlights, look at his physical size, how he called the defense and don't delve into how he actually plays the game.  Suckers.

5.  Yes, because he abhors physical contact unless he is the only one who can make the tackle.

6.  Bernard is a definite upgrade but the FO could have done more.  The defense is getting hosed by losing Tre, Daquan, Oliver(short term) and Milano.  Not Edmunds.  It would be even worse if we had kept slacker Edmunds.

7.  Yep

8.  What does that mean and who really cares?  Making a couple tackles and calling the defense earn him some appreciation but good is not great.

 

Pick a Bears game from this season, type in "Bears vs ________ highlights" and watch the 10 to 15 minute video.  Focus exclusively on him and watch how much he dogs it out of his total plays when he should be fighting through blocks, closing to the ball and assisting on tackles.  Can't be any more obvious than that.  

[Mikie2times]

He had an interception 

 

[dorquemada]

46 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

He had an interception 

 

 

HOW DID BEANE LET THIS GUY GO

[Virgil]

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Can someone make this embed.  I don't know what I'm doing wrong

 

 

Edited November 20 by Virgil

[Low Positive]

 

[LabattBlue]

15 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

 

….but the wingspan AND he is only 19 or 20.  
 

All of his defenders during his time as a Bill should be embarrassed.  

[Logic]

Pretty crazy that Edmunds is in his 6th year and is still just 25 years old.

Unfortunately, like his "physical freak who got drafted really young" predecessor Amobi Okoye, he never quite became the player that his physical talents suggested he had the potential to become.

Ya win some, ya lose some.

Luckily for the Bills, Brandon Beane and his scouts were right on Terrel "too small to play linebacker, looks more like a safety, total waste of a draft pick" Bernard, and here we are.

[BarleyNY]

13 minutes ago, Logic said:

Pretty crazy that Edmunds is in his 6th year and is still just 25 years old.

Unfortunately, like his "physical freak who got drafted really young" predecessor Amobi Okoye, he never quite became the player that his physical talents suggested he had the potential to become.

Ya win some, ya lose some.

Luckily for the Bills, Brandon Beane and his scouts were right on Terrel "too small to play linebacker, looks more like a safety, total waste of a draft pick" Bernard, and here we are.

 

Smaller LBers are becoming the norm in the NFL. It is one reason that the run game is making a relative resurgence. I would argue that we are already seeing premiums on DTs that can keep those smaller LBs clean. 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, LabattBlue said:

….but the wingspan AND he is only 19 or 20.  
 

All of his defenders during his time as a Bill should be embarrassed.  

 

Actually right now, I think the ones who should be embarrassed are those who wanted to take Beane to the woodshed for his total waste of a 3rd round pick on Terrel Bernard (and Dorian Williams seems to be showing some promise as well - knock wood)

 

1 hour ago, Virgil said:

https://x.com/KevinMassare/status/1726641779745910906?s=20

 

Can someone make this embed.  I don't know what I'm doing wrong

 

 

 

 

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Edited November 20 by Beck Water

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

Actually right now, I think the ones who should be embarrassed are those who wanted to take Beane to the woodshed for his total waste of a 3rd round pick on Terrel Bernard.

 

So all the Edmunds apologists are forgiven now that he was kicked to the curb by the Bills?

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

Actually right now, I think the ones who should be embarrassed are those who wanted to take Beane to the woodshed for his total waste of a 3rd round pick on Terrel Bernard (and Dorian Williams seems to be showing some promise as well - knock wood)

 

 

 

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I forgive no one!

[Beck Water]

8 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

So all the Edmunds apologists are forgiven now that he was kicked to the curb by the Bills?

 

Sorry, I'm not usually too much into toting around other people's receipts so I don't think about "forgiving".  It's also a thing that some here are very binary in their take.  You're either a "hater" or an "apologist" or whatever.

 

I can tell you that there were a lot of posts I saw where people were totally over-the-top in their takes that Edmunds was a terrible, horrible, no good very bad player.  Well, if that's true, I doubt the Bills woulda picked up his 5th year option nor that he'd be given the 5th highest ILB contract in FA.  FO's do make mistakes but overall the market is efficient, and Bears HC Eberflaus does know something abaout D.

 

Note I'm not saying he deserved that contract, or that the Bills should have kept him.  And I suppose there were some people who argued that he was an exceptional player, but most of what I can recall as "apologists" seemed more along the lines of "he doesn't suck, he's not a bad player, he actually plays decently" which is not exactly overpraising him.

[TwistofFate]

 

 

Classic Edmunds from 3 years ago.  I'm glad he's gone. 

 

For as terrible as Bernard was last year, he's made huge strides.  Bernard is is more productive in his first year as a starter than Edmunds in his third. 

 

Oh, and Bernard Tea Bagged the Jets Qb, something Edmunds never did. 

[Richard Noggin]

6 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

 

 

Classic Edmunds from 3 years ago.  I'm glad he's gone. 

 

For as terrible as Bernard was last year, he's made huge strides.  Bernard is is more productive in his first year as a starter than Edmunds in his third. 

 

Oh, and Bernard Tea Bagged the Jets Qb, something Edmunds never did. 

 

Couldn't even finish the fairly short lowlights video. He was such a "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" player in years 2-4. And that's with sincere apologies to players named Jane (and women in general). He had some flashes early, and a few physical plays in his fifth season...but what a waste of a specimen overall.  

 

Inexcusable the way he saw blockers as a genuine problem. Like he intentionally stopped his momentum to engage with them. Consistently stood up and pushed back. So bizarre when much smaller guys like Milano and now Bernard can look beyond the blockers and continue to attack the play, going right through obstacles at times. It's more about what's between the ears.