Is Sean McDermott our version of Doug Collins?

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

And who do you want to replace him with, an offensive minded coach like Cowhard states.  Matt Rhule and Kliff Kingsbury are both available.  How'd they work out?  I see Sean Payton was mentioned above, Sean Peyton who had a worse overall record than McD and had a top QB.

 

As soon as you change HC you'll also need to change a number of players to fit his style and will be taking a "short step" back and who knows if ever even get back to where they are now.  Much better chance you'll end up in worse situation than we are just based off many more HC failures than successes.

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

This all or nothing concept is incredible to me. The goal is to win, not disputing that. Win a Super Bowl.

 

Winning a Super Bowl is ***** hard. 

 

Agreed. Which is why a HC can’t be the one to squander legitimate opportunities when they present themselves. 13 seconds is on McDermott and is the poison that will eventually kill his tenure here. It will take another year or two to finish the job, but I believe that (and the immediate aftermath) was the point of no return for him here. His failures in the moment and afterward changed how he was viewed and trusted by the locker room. Now it is too late to undo that damage and it just has to play out. 

[Gugny]

He’s our version of Aaron Boone. 

[Rigotz]

McDermott put his nuts on the table this year and said “I’ll call the defense myself.”

 

If you don’t appreciate that and think it deserves one more shot, you don’t know what good looks like.

[First Round Bust]

No - Pegula is a conservative - the only thing liberal about him is his quest for money

[BuffaloBillyG]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Brandon has ZERO power to decide to go in a different direction. How are people STILL confused about the Bills heirarchy seven years into this regime? 

 

Will Terry? It would take more than 1 more year of playoff losses.

In fairness, we now have more than 1 year of playoff losses. While the QB Terry reportedly was enamored by has bounced the Bills from the playoffs twice, won 2 Super Bowls and 2 MVPs. The same QB McDermott didn't want to take at their draft spot because it "sent the wrong message" reportedly. And while I agree that the way the hierarchy at OBD at minimum places McD and Beane on even ground (if not Sean holding more power) I do believe Terry would consultant Beane for an opinion on the matter should he start thinking about making a move at HC.

 

Look, I like Sean. I don't think many coaches would have gotten 13 wins out of a team that went through as much as the Bills did last year. I have a ton of respect for the job he has done in turning this franchise from a joke to "playoff caliber" to "Championship Caliber". Despite what many claim he's done a great job I'm growing from a very conservative coach his first 2 years to a coach that will take as many or more chances than many. 

 

However at some point I also believe it's fair to question if Sean is a coach that can make a difference and get over that hump or if he's along for the ride. An early playoff exit this year and I think he enters next season firmly on the hot seat. Especially if Pegula has to witness it happen by the hand of the first player he wanted to pick.

 

 

[Gregg]

9 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Agreed. Which is why a HC can’t be the one to squander legitimate opportunities when they present themselves. 13 seconds is on McDermott and is the poison that will eventually kill his tenure here. It will take another year or two to finish the job, but I believe that (and the immediate aftermath) was the point of no return for him here. His failures in the moment and afterward changed how he was viewed and trusted by the locker room. Now it is too late to undo that damage and it just has to play out. 

 

With the new stadium on the way, higher ticket prices and PSL fees I don't think Terry will accept letting the damage play out. Now more than ever Beane and McDermott have to win otherwise say hello to empty seats at the new place. 

[HT02]

No

[Billsatlastin2018]

Another buffoon like response in a critical, go to the AFC Championship, Home Playoff game?

 

Uhhhh… hell YEAH!

 

Why would you keep him? Flatlined his course.
 

‘13 Seconds’ is the tell on his tombstone!

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Who is our Phil Jackson then???

 

Hopefully he’s not coaching the Giants.

[mjt328]

In my opinion, Sean McDermott deserves one more season to get the Bills over the hump.

 

Back in the 2020 AFC Championship, the Bills were still totally outmatched in talent by the Chiefs.  Going into the season, I was hoping for the AFC East title and at least one playoff win.  They accomplished that, so I felt like it was a successful season.

 

The last two postseasons are strikes one and two.  The 2021 AFC Divisional loss (13 seconds) was a horrific breakdown of coaching strategy, and really made me question McDermott's ability to direct his team in a high pressure situation.  Last year's mess against the Bengals, in particular the defensive gameplan, told me that he learned nothing from his previous two playoff exits.

 

There are some other great coaches who took some time to finally break-through.  Andy Reid obviously comes to mind.  Bill Cowher was another.  But with our franchise QB in the prime of his career, we don't have the luxury of waiting a decade for him to get it right.  I'm willing to sit-back and see what happens this season.  But McDermott should be on the hot-seat if we aren't lifting the trophy in February.

 

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

Patient organization in Pittsburgh.  Pegula I believe grew up a Steelers fan growing up so it's just one of the reasons I believe McDermott really has to screw up royally for him to ever be fired.

Well, Sean has done that once already, 13 seconds cough cough, so it appears Sean has maybe nine lives. 
 

I truly appreciate McDermott, he with Beane saved this team from continuing to be the laughing stock they were, those two turned the Bills into a competitive Football team in short order, they are light years a head of those times, which weren’t that long ago. As much as I have whined about the teams short falls, I’m not ready by a long shot to give up on Beane & McDermott. Better the devil you know, as the saying goes. 

[Billsflyer12]

I’m beginning to see a trend now for people defending McDermott to just say, “well who are you going to replace him with?”

 

So as long as one can’t definitively provide a name that will guaranteed be better then McD he can just have his job forever?

 

Not sure why NFL coaches have such a different standard than NFL players and coaches in other major sports leagues around the world.  

 

 

 

[Einstein]

46 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

McD deserves to be on the hot seat IMO.

 

I still believe his seat is warmer than most realize.

 

DC gone. ST gone. WR coach gone. 
 

He is running out of coaches to blame and fire.

[Gregg]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

Patient organization in Pittsburgh.  Pegula I believe grew up a Steelers fan growing up so it's just one of the reasons I believe McDermott really has to screw up royally for him to ever be fired.

 

Terry wasn't so patient with the Sabres when they were a clown show all of those years. The Bills of the last 6 years have been much better than the Sabres of the past decade, but Terry has shown he will make major changes if he feels it's necessary. New stadium on the way the Bills better field a winning product considering what the cost will be for fans to attend their games.

[MJS]

6 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

He’s more Phil Jackson with that Triangle philosophy and zen wrestling mantra. 

You messed up the pattern!

[Royale with Cheese]

I hope not.

[AuntieEm]

50 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

T0ny Dungy had t0 be fired f0r Tampa t0 get 0ver the hump.

 

C0uld be the same here.

 

als0 H0w in the hell is Dungy in the Hall 0f Fame?

 

   Wasn't Dungy the first black HC to win the Super Bowl?  Being first always gives you an edge to get voted in at least for coaches. 

Just like Marv Levy coach of only team to go to 4 SB in a row, got in hall of fame even when there are Bills fans that don't think he was a good enough coach because his team never won one. 

 

 

[BarleyNY]

34 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

With the new stadium on the way, higher ticket prices and PSL fees I don't think Terry will accept letting the damage play out. Now more than ever Beane and McDermott have to win otherwise say hello to empty seats at the new place. 

 

I’m sure the Pegulas want to win a SB, but they’re also businesspeople. They embraced the opportunity to make a SB run as well as use the associated fan fervor to get themselves a new stadium. It will be interesting to see how hard they go after a SB now that the stadium is in hand. 

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, BarleyNY said:

 

I’m sure the Pegulas want to win a SB, but they’re also businesspeople. They embraced the opportunity to make a SB run as well as use the associated fan fervor to get themselves a new stadium. It will be interesting to see how hard they go after a SB now that the stadium is in hand. 

 

Just look at the Jets and Giants as examples. At Giants Stadium both teams sold out the stadium with season tickets holders and had a waiting list as well. At MetLife both teams now advertise to buy season and individual tickets. PSL were a disaster in the NYC market. It also didn't help that both teams sucked for the past decade. If the Bills in a much smaller market without the corporate support that the NYC area can offer, they better put a winning product out there or they will be playing in front of sparse crowds like the Jets and Giants did.