Big Turk Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 6 hours ago, DCbillsfan said: If this is all true, this is a bizarre way to attract a HC opportunity. Would have been way better off staying as the Bills DC and get over the hump. That's how you create demand for yourself. Seems like he basically is saying either I'll get a head coaching shot again or I'm done coaching. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: You can fall on a squib kick without killing any time… they could’ve had it at the 25 with no time lost that’s a fact … it’s not a guarantee you kill 5 seconds and hold them behind the 25 they could fall on it at the 25-30 pretty sure the clock starts as soon as the ball hits the ground Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 (edited) 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: pretty sure the clock starts as soon as the ball hits the ground No it doesn’t … it starts when it’s touched AND you’re allowed to give yourself up killing zero time Edited May 31 by Buffalo716 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: No it doesn’t … it starts when it’s touched AND you’re allowed to give yourself up killing zero time I'm almost positive the Chiefs squibbed the last kickoff vs Eagles in the Super Bowl and a couple seconds ran off the clock before the guy fell on it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: You can fall on a squib kick without killing any time… they could’ve had it at the 25 with no time lost that’s a fact … it’s not a guarantee you kill 5 seconds and hold them behind the 25 they could fall on it at the 25-30 We will never know what happened, but it appeared to be a major major mistake and coat Farwell his job. Odds are in your favor to take at least some time off the clock... Great example, week 6 vs Chiefs...we score a TD with 16 seconds left. Guess what happened next: squib kick (not even a great one), picked up at the 20 and returned to the 28, took 4 seconds off the clock. That's about as comparable as we'll ever get/prediction as to what would gave occurred. That would have, in most likelihood, been enough to win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 Just now, GoBills808 said: I'm almost positive the Chiefs squibbed the last kickoff vs Eagles in the Super Bowl and a couple seconds ran off the clock before the guy fell on it I’m 100% positive the clock doesn’t start until it is touched If that Happened it’s a clock error … im 100% sure of the rule 1 minute ago, MasterStrategist said: We will never know what happened, but it appeared to be a major major mistake and coat Farwell his job. Odds are in your favor to take at least some time off the clock... Great example, week 6 vs Chiefs...we score a TD with 16 seconds left. Guess what happened next: squib kick (not even a great one), picked up at the 20 and returned to the 28, took 4 seconds off the clock. That's about as comparable as we'll ever get/prediction as to what would gave occurred. That would have, in most likelihood, been enough to win And the chiefs went down and scored… and it wasn’t a life or death playoff … if it was they might of fell on it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I’m 100% positive the clock doesn’t start until it is touched If that Happened it’s a clock error … im 100% sure of the rule And the chiefs went down and scored… and it wasn’t a life or death playoff … if it was they might of fell on it They scored with 1 second (week 6 game), which would have been time expired in the playoff game. And yes, perhaps they fall on it in playoff game at the 20. That sets them back 5 yards and might have been the difference. Point is you squib 100x out of 100. And the prior poster is correct, that was the more aggregious blunder of the infamous 13 seconds That also doesn't exonerate Frazier/defense. I'm glad he's taking a year off, we needed a change...hopefully Coach can get this defense to be more clutch. Edited May 31 by MasterStrategist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 Just now, MasterStrategist said: They scored with 1 second (week 6 game), which would have been time expired in the playoff game. And yes, perhaps they fall on it in playoff game at the 20. That sets them back 5 yards and might have been the difference. Point is you squib 100x out of 100. And the prior poster is correct, that was the more aggregious blunder of the infamous 13 seconds They could’ve got the squib at the 30…. Point is Nobody knows how a squib woulda worked in the playoff BECAUSE you can fall on it at the 25-30… even 35… it’s not a guarantee you pin them behind the 20 thats true devils advocate … squib kick doesn’t guarantee a win 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 7 hours ago, wppete said: He will definitely get interviews. Highly doubt anyone hires him as a Head Coach….. BTW I thought he was taking a year off and coming back as the Bills DC? 😂 A return to the Bills was one of several possibilities for Frazier. It is still a possibility until either the Bills or Frazier rule it out, but it may never have been the most likely possibility. Frazier has always hoped for another crack at a head coaching gig, and the Bills may well decide to go in a different direction anyway after McDermott tries his hand at calling defensive plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 2 hours ago, holla83 said: The Chiefs had all three timeouts left. The Bills played off and protected the sidelines. Middle of the field was wide open. It was garbage coaching. Not even up for debate. Squib kick and play your normal defense, the Bills win the game! Yep, and everyone recognized that and then went on with their lives. They didn't dwell on it like Bills fans continue to do. 1 hour ago, Chaos said: 25 years from now, there is some reason to discuss the Bills under Sean McDermott during the week break between the championship games, and the Super Bowl. What do you think headlines this NATIONAL TV discussion. (This assumes there is still a nation, TVs, the NFL, and the Super Bowl. all of which is questionalble) I don't understand your question. Are you asking if people will be discussing those couple of plays 25 years from now? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 4 hours ago, StHustle said: I gotta say I hate this argument. McD has a headset on and overhears the play calls and at the late stage of the game should have been right next to Leslie discussing the strategy. Furthermore it’s HIGHLY unlikely he makes that mistake again. You can’t judge a man’s whole value as a coach based on one series. Leslie as HC with a good defensive coordinator can do we’ll. Definitely better than a number of current HCs. With all that said, enjoy retirement Leslie. You do realize that Leslie literally made the same mistake against the Chiefs last year, letting them score w/ 15 seconds before the half. Excited to see what Sean can do with the Def. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Paulson Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 13 seconds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 3 hours ago, Big Turk said: Seems like he basically is saying either I'll get a head coaching shot again or I'm done coaching. That's pretty much how I read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Limeaid Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 I think only way Frazer gets a head coach job if a team is falling apart and they need someone to help fix the relationships in it. It is something he has shown he can do well. All of the players respect him. As part of agreement signing him team front office may dictate to him he needs to keep a promising coach who needs seasoning and is promised to be next head coach position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 11 hours ago, JohnNord said: Former Bills Defensive coach Leslie Frazier spoke to Albert Breer of Si.com. He is saying that he’s optimistic to get a HC job in 2024, and his plan to step away this season was to “re-charge” to prepare for a HC position. Most interesting quote was: ”Hopefully, an owner will give me a chance to talk to him about an opportunity,” Frazier said. “If that doesn’t happen, I’m good. I’ve had a good career. I’m good. My goal is to be a head coach. I know I don’t have much time left, I’m at an age where it seems like owners are going younger and younger, but I think I have some things I can bring to the table. We’ll see what happens.” Does this mean that Les is retired unless he can find a HC spot? Contrary to what some may say, his defenses always rank at the NFL. Believe it or not, If you look at the totality of his defensive rankings the past few years, he has a stronger resume than Vic “the genius” Fangio. With that being said, if HC is his goal, it’s going to ridiculously tough to catch on after the way the 2022 season ended. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/05/30/leslie-frazier-hopefully-ill-have-a-chance-to-interview-for-head-coaching-jobs-in-2024/ Good for him... don't let the door hit him in the **** on the way out. 13 seconds. As Chef Ramsey would say The Fish is Raw... Our new defense is going to crush Miami. BILLIEVE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 12 hours ago, JohnNord said: With that being said, if HC is his goal, it’s going to ridiculously tough to catch on after the way the 2020, 2021 and 2022 seasons ended. Fixed it for ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 5 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said: You do realize that Leslie literally made the same mistake against the Chiefs last year, letting them score w/ 15 seconds before the half. Excited to see what Sean can do with the Def. I'd argue the rest of the game was his greatest performance as defensive coordinator. Effectively blitzing Mahomes which is a feat in itself. Playing a 3-2-6 dime package they rarely showed before confusing Mahomes and Reid. Playing different coverage concepts on both sides of the field on the same play. Where was this ingenuity when it mattered? I get not having Von hurt them in that regards against the Bengals but still....that game plan against them was just awful. 12 hours ago, ScottLaw said: A power house who have won all of 0 SBs and 0 conference championships… He’d have more respect had his(and Sean’s)defenses not ***** the bed in every elimination game since coming here. Held the Jaguars to 10 points in 2017 season. Held the Ravens to 3 points in 2020. Held the Patriots to 17 points (seven of them in garbage time) in 2021. All elimination games. Average defensive performance against the Texans, Colts, and Fish. All elimination games. If your point was they were awful against elite offenses in the playoffs then I'd agree with that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 9 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: You can fall on a squib kick without killing any time… they could’ve had it at the 25 with no time lost that’s a fact … it’s not a guarantee you kill 5 seconds and hold them behind the 25 they could fall on it at the 25-30 good point... I meant to say kick it in the field of play force them to return it. like Bass had been doing all season.. just a complete failure of coach to player communication. I still cannot understand why no one in the media has not pressed to get to the bottom of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 16 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: He certainly deserves another coordinator spot. He’s had a top 10 unit every year in BUF. 13 seconds is squarely on McDermott who has authority over everyone. I mean yes and no. Frazier called those 2 defensive plays not McD I still think Hill taking it to the house on their previous possession got into Fraziers head and he went super conservative to avoid something like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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