Hopkins released by Arizona (7/16: signed by Titans)

[Chandler#81]

9 hours ago, Augie said:

 

But, what does this mean for the Easter Bunny? 

 

I’m in wait an and see mood. I don’t want to get all excited, only to be disappointed. 

I heard he ran off with the tooth farie

[BuffBills51]

This usually plays out two ways. Either the player wants to win a ring and signs with a competitor or they chase their last big paycheck. It seems the majority of the time the player chases the highest paycheck. 

[BADOLBILZ]

6 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I think Hopkins is still an Elite WR. And I would like us to get him.

 

But these ideas that there is absolutely no pitfall to the type of contract it would take to get him and that if Hopkins himself chooses to sign elsewhere that it's Brandon Beane's fault and he needs to pay are ridiculous.

 

 

What do YOU actually envision the long term cap consequences being if they sign Hopkins?    

 

As a professional numbers person myself..........I'm quite certain the the consequence may be just one very silent offseason where they lose a good young player in UFA and have to cut some veteran defenders they'd prefer not to..........followed by a year with a bottom third of the league defense and the Bills offense having to win a lot of shootouts.........and then the following offseason being back in the market for free agents and balancing the roster again.

 

There isn't going to be any big roster teardown that isn't going to have to come ANYWAY.    In the next few years Von, Diggs, Hyde, Poyer, White, Dawkins, Morse, Milano and Taron are all going to age out most likely.     They started this ball rolling when they traded the chance at a 21-22 year old rookie WR to get Stefon Diggs.  It accelerated their development but sure.......that comes at a cost.   You aren't going to get 10 years out of a 26-27 year old acquisition.  

 

If they draft smartly and do what it takes to make Josh Allen look like a $50M QB year-in-and-out.........which is easier to pull off when he has a Lombardi trophy to his name...........then they will have access to very good replacement personnel at team friendly prices.

 

[Special K]

8 hours ago, SACTOBILLSFAN said:

Per a buddy of mine that knows the KC director of player personnel Tim Terry, Hopkins to KC. No idea on any details or if it’s actually a done deal but I know that he knows Terry and he’s never given me a scoop or anything so take it for what it’s worth. 

 

My girlfriend's cousin's neighbor's aunt works for the Atlanta Falcons, and per her, the Falcons are not signing D-Hop................so take it for what it's worth..............

 

 

 

(Seriously, I hope you are wrong!)

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, arcadia bob said:

Update....See previous post.... Bills made DH a offer on a 2-year deal. Told it was a very good offer with great bonuses etc. but DH wants a few things in the contract that BB doesn't want to include. I asked if he was still in play for KC and he said he doesn't know. Just passing on what I've been told ,,,,,,

what does DH want that BB does not?

[Einstein]

9 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

They started this ball rolling when they traded the chance at a 21-22 year old rookie WR to get Stefon Diggs.  

 

Great point.

 

We have now traded both the Mahomes pick, and the Jefferson pick.

 

We traded the picks that became the best QB in the league, and the best WR in the league.

[transplantbillsfan]

6 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

here we go again with the CAP!! 
 

Teams who have Owners that are willing to throw Cash $ around get to play by a slightly different set of rules.

 

 

 

How would anyone be against this?

 

I actually like Gabe and think the injury really affected him last year and think he's due for a bounce back year...

 

BUT...

 

3 years with Diggs & DHop along with Gabe's final "prove it" year plus Knox, Kincaid, & Cook for multiple years

 

vs

 

Praying for Gabe to finally be the #2 we all hoped for along with giving us a hometown discount 

 

...

 

choice seems obvious...

 

Especially when you consider all the draft picks we still have next year. Who's to say we also don't just trade up for Marvin Harrison Jr. as Diggs and Nuke settle into their 30s?

[BADOLBILZ]

16 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Great point.

 

We have now traded both the Mahomes pick, and the Jefferson pick.

 

We traded the picks that became the best QB in the league, and the best WR in the league.

 

 

Which supports 3 notions.........having a franchise QB can cover up for a ton of personnel mistakes(and JA17 might be the second best QB in football)......... the Belichick take that you have to be making bad moves all the time to be bad in the NFL because there are abundant chances to make up for said mistakes..........and the old axiom that it's better to be lucky than good.

 

Bill Polian lucked into having the exclusive negotiating rights to Jim Kelly.    He parlayed that Buffalo luck into taking two other jobs where he got a chance to draft a franchise QB very early in the draft.   He hit on one of 2 and now.......largely due to fortune........ people look back on him like he was great.    

 

But he is also the dumbass that traded Marshall Faulk for a second round pick so he could pick another RB 4th overall..............and then watched Faulk become the best player in football the next few seasons while he struggled to build a championship caliber defense.   Faulk went to 2 SB's and won one.   Edge James aged out before the Colts won Polian's one career SB with Joseph Addai at RB.   Polian also refused to trade draft picks to add talent to put those SB Bills teams over the top.........to this day it's still inexplicable to me that he wasn't in on Charles Haley.   It was exasperating in real time.  The Niners traded him to their biggest traditional rival,  which illustrates how desperate they were to move him.  

 

 

 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

How would anyone be against this?

 

I actually like Gabe and think the injury really affected him last year and think he's due for a bounce back year...

 

BUT...

 

3 years with Diggs & DHop along with Gabe's final "prove it" year plus Knox, Kincaid, & Cook for multiple years

 

vs

 

Praying for Gabe to finally be the #2 we all hoped for along with giving us a hometown discount 

 

...

 

choice seems obvious...

 

Especially when you consider all the draft picks we still have next year. Who's to say we also don't just trade up for Marvin Harrison Jr. as Diggs and Nuke settle into their 30s?

 

Not gonna be able to trade up into the Top 5 when we're picking at 32 😉

 

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

Great point.

 

We have now traded both the Mahomes pick, and the Jefferson pick.

 

We traded the picks that became the best QB in the league, and the best WR in the league.

 

Terrible f'n luck. No one could have foreseen either happening. 

 

Luckily, the Mahomes move (plus moving Cordy Glenn) facilitated us getting Josh, Tre, and Edmunds (who we got 5 years out of) and Jefferson got us Diggs. 

 

So it still worked out fairly comparable.

Edited May 29 by BillsFanForever19

[TheWeatherMan]

3 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Great point.

 

We have now traded both the Mahomes pick, and the Jefferson pick.

 

We traded the picks that became the best QB in the league, and the best WR in the league.

Best WR in the league is disputable, Mahomes at QB isn’t.  

Edited May 29 by TheWeatherMan

[UKBillFan]

6 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Great point.

 

We have now traded both the Mahomes pick, and the Jefferson pick.

 

We traded the picks that became the best QB in the league, and the best WR in the league.

 

But probably the right approach at the time. I'd love to switch offences/schemes for a game and see if Mahomes could do any more than Josh with what he's given - especially without the Kelce safety blanket and Reid play calling. Not saying he isn't a world class QB but he's got a world class team. 

 

Diggs for Jefferson was also probably the right call, even in hindsight. At that point of time, the Bills needed experience at WR, someone to help Josh along. We say 'Mahomes wouldn't have done as well at Orchard Park', but I don't think Jefferson would have done as well here either.as number one WR. Now Diggs AND Jefferson, on the other hand...

[BananaB]

6 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Great point.

 

We have now traded both the Mahomes pick, and the Jefferson pick.

 

We traded the picks that became the best QB in the league, and the best WR in the league.

 

Allen is the best QB in football. There isn’t a player in the game that is asked to do more for his team than him. They got drafted to completely opposite situations and KC was by far the more appealing place to land. 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, BananaB said:

Allen is the best QB in football. There isn’t a player in the game that is asked to do more for his team than him. They got drafted to completely opposite situations and KC was by far the more appealing place to land. 

 

I'll hold off on saying who is the best, but I'm more than fine taking Josh over Mahomes and I doubt the Bills would have drafted Jefferson.  But give me Reid and Spagnuolo any day.

Edited May 29 by Doc

[MasterStrategist]

8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

What do YOU actually envision the long term cap consequences being if they sign Hopkins?    

 

As a professional numbers person myself..........I'm quite certain the the consequence may be just one very silent offseason where they lose a good young player in UFA and have to cut some veteran defenders they'd prefer not to..........followed by a year with a bottom third of the league defense and the Bills offense having to win a lot of shootouts.........and then the following offseason being back in the market for free agents and balancing the roster again.

 

There isn't going to be any big roster teardown that isn't going to have to come ANYWAY.    In the next few years Von, Diggs, Hyde, Poyer, White, Dawkins, Morse, Milano and Taron are all going to age out most likely.     They started this ball rolling when they traded the chance at a 21-22 year old rookie WR to get Stefon Diggs.  It accelerated their development but sure.......that comes at a cost.   You aren't going to get 10 years out of a 26-27 year old acquisition.  

 

If they draft smartly and do what it takes to make Josh Allen look like a $50M QB year-in-and-out.........which is easier to pull off when he has a Lombardi trophy to his name...........then they will have access to very good replacement personnel at team friendly prices.

 

From one professional number guy to another, I'd agree overall:

1. 1 year in the future, likely the Groot or Elam draft class, we will be heavily hampered cap-wise.  This will almost certainly lead to us being unable to sign 1 or 2 of the following long term: Groot, Elam, Cook, or Spencer Brown.

 

2. Likely sacrifices our competitive balance for 1-2 years total.  Not a horrible team, but not going to be top 3 in the AFC, unless Beane crushes the draft these years. Josh Allen and a few others, while trying to find 1-3 new core players via draft

 

3. Short term, Davis and Ed gone after this year.  Which might happen regardless, depends how you view this loss (both are polarizing to fans).  Beane has stated his thoughts on both guys, unprovoked by questions on either player, when discussing teams longer term plans

 

This is what reality will be, and boils down to whether Beane thinks Dhop is worth that. 

 

Alternatively, we have more flexibility with signing our own guys.  Who at this point, there isn't a "sure fire" we MUST resign guy, out of all the players mentioned above. 

 

But, it comes with the ability to do so if someone makes a big improvement and/or gives flexibility to add another piece (ie Dhop at a different position next season).  

 

I won't speak for all posters who have cap concerns with signing Dhop.  But that's how I view it, and analyze the pros/cons of the teams immediate and future competitive balance.

[Chaos]

9 hours ago, NewEra said:

Not for me. My family being comfortable is the most important thing in my life.  I turn down more lucrative jobs on the reg.  Probably 2-3 jobs a year on average.  
 

 

Ah, so you are the USA. 

[John from Riverside]

8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

What do YOU actually envision the long term cap consequences being if they sign Hopkins?    

 

As a professional numbers person myself..........I'm quite certain the the consequence may be just one very silent offseason where they lose a good young player in UFA and have to cut some veteran defenders they'd prefer not to..........followed by a year with a bottom third of the league defense and the Bills offense having to win a lot of shootouts.........and then the following offseason being back in the market for free agents and balancing the roster again.

 

There isn't going to be any big roster teardown that isn't going to have to come ANYWAY.    In the next few years Von, Diggs, Hyde, Poyer, White, Dawkins, Morse, Milano and Taron are all going to age out most likely.     They started this ball rolling when they traded the chance at a 21-22 year old rookie WR to get Stefon Diggs.  It accelerated their development but sure.......that comes at a cost.   You aren't going to get 10 years out of a 26-27 year old acquisition.  

 

If they draft smartly and do what it takes to make Josh Allen look like a $50M QB year-in-and-out.........which is easier to pull off when he has a Lombardi trophy to his name...........then they will have access to very good replacement personnel at team friendly prices.

 

I agree with this reinforcements for the defense are going to have to come through the draft. We are going to need guys like say Dorian Williams to hit.

[ScottLaw]

16 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

From one professional number guy to another, I'd agree overall:

1. 1 year in the future, likely the Groot or Elam draft class, we will be heavily hampered cap-wise.  This will almost certainly lead to us being unable to sign 1 or 2 of the following long term: Groot, Elam, Cook, or Spencer Brown.

 

2. Likely sacrifices our competitive balance for 1-2 years total.  Not a horrible team, but not going to be top 3 in the AFC, unless Beane crushes the draft these years. Josh Allen and a few others, while trying to find 1-3 new core players via draft

 

3. Short term, Davis and Ed gone after this year.  Which might happen regardless, depends how you view this loss (both are polarizing to fans).  Beane has stated his thoughts on both guys, unprovoked by questions on either player, when discussing teams longer term plans

 

This is what reality will be, and boils down to whether Beane thinks Dhop is worth that. 

 

Alternatively, we have more flexibility with signing our own guys.  Who at this point, there isn't a "sure fire" we MUST resign guy, out of all the players mentioned above. 

 

But, it comes with the ability to do so if someone makes a big improvement and/or gives flexibility to add another piece (ie Dhop at a different position next season).  

 

I won't speak for all posters who have cap concerns with signing Dhop.  But that's how I view it, and analyze the pros/cons of the teams immediate and future competitive balance.

As of right now out of that group, Groot strikes me as the only guy worth the extension… maybe Ed, but not sure I trust giving Ed a big contract extension. 
 

Spencer Brown and Cook? 😅

[NewEra]

23 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Ah, so you are the USA. 

And Josh allen never running is the right answer

[4merper4mer]

8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

 

If they draft smartly and do what it takes to make Josh Allen look like a $50M QB year-in-and-out.........which is easier to pull off when he has a Lombardi trophy to his name...........then they will have access to very good replacement personnel at team friendly prices.

 

Can you name one team that shows this theory to be true?  
 

The Rams and Bucs are done with Super Bowls for a while.  Unless I’m missing something that leaves the Chiefs and I’m not sure they have used this formula so far.  Which big name “superstar” have they signed and which team friendly deals have magically poured in?  They have lost a few players as well.  At this point it doesn’t appear Hopkins is willing to be team friendly to either the Bills or Chiefs.

 

The Bills are a team that paid big money to a superstar just last year and it did not pay off.  It is hard to quantify what the opportunity cost has been or will be.  

[JaCrispy]

29 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

From one professional number guy to another, I'd agree overall:

1. 1 year in the future, likely the Groot or Elam draft class, we will be heavily hampered cap-wise.  This will almost certainly lead to us being unable to sign 1 or 2 of the following long term: Groot, Elam, Cook, or Spencer Brown.

 

2. Likely sacrifices our competitive balance for 1-2 years total.  Not a horrible team, but not going to be top 3 in the AFC, unless Beane crushes the draft these years. Josh Allen and a few others, while trying to find 1-3 new core players via draft

 

3. Short term, Davis and Ed gone after this year.  Which might happen regardless, depends how you view this loss (both are polarizing to fans).  Beane has stated his thoughts on both guys, unprovoked by questions on either player, when discussing teams longer term plans

 

This is what reality will be, and boils down to whether Beane thinks Dhop is worth that. 

 

Alternatively, we have more flexibility with signing our own guys.  Who at this point, there isn't a "sure fire" we MUST resign guy, out of all the players mentioned above. 

 

But, it comes with the ability to do so if someone makes a big improvement and/or gives flexibility to add another piece (ie Dhop at a different position next season).  

 

I won't speak for all posters who have cap concerns with signing Dhop.  But that's how I view it, and analyze the pros/cons of the teams immediate and future competitive balance.

I go back to a wise saying- “A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush”.

 

Basically, if you have a shot at a top player, during a time that you are a superbowl contender, you take it…👍