Hopkins released by Arizona (7/16: signed by Titans)

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

He has some weird agent that is persona non grata in the NFL.  I don’t know the details but usually that stuff means it’s 100% about the money which is fine and his prerogative.  There are probably 15 teams or more out there that can out-$ the Bills and Chiefs by a ton.  It only takes one.  The money Baltimore gave Beckham was beyond stupid and someone will do similar for Hopkins.

I think it’s likely someone offers him a lot more than we do.  We aren’t in position to be the highest bidder. 

[Mikie2times]

• He is 1 1/2 years older than Stefon Diggs
• Prior to 2021 he started 126 of 128 regular season games
• His yards per game average last year was 10th best in the league
• He is not coming off any injury limitations nor does anybody have reason to believe his risk for injury is higher than any other player
• Prior to the only major injury in his career which occurred in 2021, he had 115 catches for 1,400 yards and 6 TD's
• The nature of his PED suspension seems to revolve around healing vs enhancement / it wouldn't seem he is at much greater risk for PED suspensions in the future, but we just don't know enough about the specifics 
• Hopkins has had less wear on his body the last two years as a result of injury and suspension

He has been a hall of fame talent his entire career. He just came off a year with a bad QB throwing him the ball, sometimes a 3rd teamer, and he was 10th in yards per game. It seems like a reach to think he doesn't have a couple elite years left. Get it done if you can. I don't understand how it's even a conversation. 

[Solomon Grundy]

Instead of Dawkins offering a locker next to his, I need to see a post from him saying he's restructuring his contract 😎

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, Solomon Grundy said:

Instead of Dawkins offering a locker next to his, I need to see a post from him saying he's restructuring his contract 😎

That would be pretty funny! I believe Bills can do that at their whim without the player being notified in advance

[BillsFanForever19]

6 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

here we go again with the CAP!! 
 

Teams who have Owners that are willing to throw Cash $ around get to play by a slightly different set of rules.

 

 

 

Again, CAN we do that? Yes. It is possible.

 

But just because we can doesn't mean there isn't issues with that. That includes adding dead cap hits over 2-3 seasons longer than he'll be contracted to the team. Which means, we may not be able to afford players down the road because we're paying for someone who isn't even on the team anymore.

 

Just because it's something that can be done and it's something you, I, or other fans are comfortable with doesn't mean that it doesn't come with pitfalls and that there's no reason for Beane to not want to do that.

[Dr. Who]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I think it’s likely someone offers him a lot more than we do.  We aren’t in position to be the highest bidder. 

If he is like most athletes who express a desire to pursue a ring, but choose the highest bidder when it comes right down to it, we are out. Either his enthusiasm for playing with Josh Allen was empty rhetoric or it isn't. Have to hope he is eccentric enough to prioritize winning and being part of something special over banking the most cash possible.

[Warriorspikes51]

4 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

If he is like most athletes who express a desire to pursue a ring, but choose the highest bidder when it comes right down to it, we are out. Either his enthusiasm for playing with Josh Allen was empty rhetoric or it isn't. Have to hope he is eccentric enough to prioritize winning and being part of something special over banking the most cash possible.

if we’re within a certain range of the highest offers, especially the guaranteed $ aspect…that may be good enough

 

Poona Ford was originally offered a contract by us that he didn’t accept, then we upped our offer and he signed here…

 

but it was reported he took less from us than the other offers for chance at a ring

Edited May 28, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[Lost]

Not gonna happen.   Ralph is too cheap 😐

[Maynard]

Terry, time to bring that big boy of yours outta your pants! 

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, Maynard said:

Terry, time to bring that big boy of yours outta your pants! 

I sure hope you're talking about his wallet.

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

29 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Davis is the new Edmunds.

Yeah he sux

[Einstein]

23 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

If the cost of winning a championship is a cap issue and a couple losing seasons in 3 years then I'm on board with that scenario.  

 

Bingo.

 

I'll trade a decade of 12-5 for ONE Super Bowl Trophy.

 

[BigDingus]

18 minutes ago, FLFan said:

He will go where the most money is. By the way, has anyone else been tracking this?

 

https://clutchpoints.com/nfl-rumors-deandre-hopkins-contract-saint-omni-free-agent

 

if this connection is true, you can pretty much rule out the Bills IMO.  

 

 

"The belief was that Hopkins might be willing to take less money as a free agent, but it doesn’t appear that the Pro Bowl wideout is going to do any teams’ bank account any favors."

 

Bingo! Exactly what I thought. People who think he's willing to take a discount to play for a ring are kidding themselves. 

 

He got released for a reason, and it was so he could seek more money.

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

My level head tells me that if we have to contend against Kelce/Hopkins and Chase/Higgins for the next two years, we become dark horse Super Bowl candidates. Who knows what happens after that but I'm not comfortable waiting to find out.

 

But again, what does that have to do with the possibility that Hopkins simply chooses to go to KC over us? It's not as simple as Beane just wanting him and making the Cover 1 offer and he's ours.

 

Has Hopkins talked about Josh and us? Yes. But he's also talked about KC and Mahomes in the same conversations practically every time. Josh was the first name out of his mouth.

 

But if you think it's absolutely impossible that he could get on the phone with Mahomes and Reid and like what they're saying more than us, you're being a homer.

 

Side note because I missed it in my first reply: your "nuclear" idea isn't a simple snap your fingers and make it happen option. The odds that there's a team out there that wants to take Ed Oliver on a 1 year deal for 10.75m guaranteed contract this late in the Offseason is EXTREMELY unlikely. 

 

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

I can't believe some fans are already trying to rationalize Hopkins possibly going to KC over us. It's an unmitigated disaster if that happens, period. The next time Davis drops a pass that costs us the #1 seed I'll look at our salary cap table and feel better I guess.

 

Do I want to see that happen? Absolutely not. Do I want to see him in a Bills uniform? Absolutely.

 

But it's not reality to think there's absolutely no way we won't get him. It's not an impossibility to think he could prefer KC over us when push comes to shove.

 

If the poster that facilitated these kinds of posts is to be believed, it's not only a possibility, it could be a reality.

[Warriorspikes51]

3 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

"The belief was that Hopkins might be willing to take less money as a free agent, but it doesn’t appear that the Pro Bowl wideout is going to do any teams’ bank account any favors."

 

Bingo! Exactly what I thought. People who think he's willing to take a discount to play for a ring are kidding themselves. 

 

He got released for a reason, and it was so he could seek more money.

His Agent(s) is going to put that out there regardless 

[NewEra]

15 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Again, CAN we do that? Yes. It is possible.

 

But just because we can doesn't mean there isn't issues with that. That includes adding dead cap hits over 2-3 seasons longer than he'll be contracted to the team. Which means, we may not be able to afford players down the road because we're paying for someone who isn't even on the team anymore.

 

Just because it's something that can be done and it's something you, I, or other fans are comfortable with doesn't mean that it doesn't come with pitfalls and that there's no reason for Beane to not want to do that.

I agree with everything you said. Problem for Beane, if we don’t have a Lombardi in 2-3 years there’s a very good chance he won’t be here. If he wins one in the next 2-3 years, he won’t have to worry about long term.  He’ll be here for another 5-6 minimum (if he wants to be here).  
 

[Augie]

25 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

 If the cost of winning a championship is a cap issue and a couple losing seasons in 3 years then I'm on board with that scenario.  

We're past settling for 12 win seasons and a playoff game or two ending with some coaching gaffe or some one in a million type play to end the game.  The window is open now.  Go for it!

 

That is not how it works. At all. There are no guarantees. What if you slightly improve your odds? Does that still make it worth it? What if he gets hurt, like Von? 

 

You pick your big swings carefully, then live with the results. Oh, and ignore the hindsight specialist fans who knew better all along. 

[NewEra]

43 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

we can offer 28 mil guaranteed (see Cover 1’s breakdown)

I saw it.  That’s kicking every possible penny down the road with 5 restructures (dion, Tre, Taron, daquan and Hyde).  I don’t see any chance of that happening.  You don’t either 

 

Edit: apparently, my information is incorrect and we can guarantee him 25m by restructuring Dawkins and Tre.  
 

 

Edited May 28, 2023 by NewEra

[Warriorspikes51]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I saw it.  That’s kicking every possible penny down the road with 5 restructures (dion, Tre, Taron, daquan and Hyde).  I don’t see any chance of that happening.  You don’t either 

No. No it’s not. It’s with only Tre White or Dion Dawkins being restructured…..

 

A contract can be done to have his cap hit for this year between 3.5-6 million

Edited May 28, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[Manther]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I agree with everything you said. Problem for Beane, if we don’t have a Lombardi in 2-3 years there’s a very good chance he won’t be here. If he wins one in the next 2-3 years, he won’t have to worry about long term.  He’ll be here for another 5-6 minimum (if he wants to be here).  
 

I think those are fair to good to real statements.  I hope he is here for another 5-6 or more and a Championship!

 

That would be the Cat's Pajama's.

[NewEra]

28 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Yeah, but we're talking about teams with a shot at the SB 

Lol.  I think the jets have a shot.  
 

Baltimore, Dallas, chargers, Jags and Philly all have over 11M in room right now (from the site I saw anyway).  Detroit has 24m+

 

but then again, we don’t know what matters most to hopkins.  To date, he’s shown that money matters most

[Manther]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Hopkins may still be a Top 5 WR with an elite QB throwing to him. Having 2 on the field together gives your team a competitive advantage over pretty much everyone

Well, yes, totally agree and I want that advantage!  Agreed!

[78thealltimegreat]

Shefty stirring the pot 

 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

Just now, Warriorspikes51 said:

No. No it’s not. It’s with only Tre White or Dion Dawkins being restructured…..

 

And adding 2-3 dead cap years where he isn't on the team. Which is what he's talking about. 

 

Players like Dalton Kincaid, James Cook, Kaiir Elam, etc could become superstars in the league that we have to pay a premium for and the belt will be tightened by a deal we made this season for a player who will probably no longer be on the team.

[NewEra]

35 minutes ago, FLFan said:

He will go where the most money is. By the way, has anyone else been tracking this?

 

https://clutchpoints.com/nfl-rumors-deandre-hopkins-contract-saint-omni-free-agent

 

if this connection is true, you can pretty much rule out the Bills IMO.  

 

Thanks for sharing this. I didn’t realize til now. Looks like game over from our perspective 

[BillsFanForever19]

6 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Shefty stirring the pot 

 

 

 

No, he's not. There is no post from Schefter like that recently.

 

@KyleTreats is stirring the pot. That's a truncated image of a post from 3+ years ago.

 

 

Edited May 28, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

No. No it’s not. It’s with only Tre White or Dion Dawkins being restructured…..

 

A contract can be done to have his cap hit for this year between 3.5-6 million

Ok. 
 

if making the most money is his desire, Brandon Beane should be out.  If giving him a fair deal that will benefit us and give him his best chance at a ring, I’m all for it.  I’m not really cool with with extending Dawkins long term.  Same with Tre. Dawkins has been slipping. He was awful vs Cinci.  Tre…. I won’t be ok extending him until I see him play at a somewhat high level.  We haven’t seen that since thanksgiving 2021.  
 

If this is true about his agent, the chances are slim.  Slim to none imo

[Warriorspikes51]

6 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Shefty stirring the pot 

 

 

No. Fraud. He just clipped it from an old tweet. “Kyle’s Treats” is a Clown

 

 

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

I can't believe some fans are already trying to rationalize Hopkins possibly going to KC over us. It's an unmitigated disaster if that happens, period. 

 

Hopkins going to KC would be the worst possible scenario.

 

There is absolutely ZERO benefit of Hopkins landing there. None. There is only misery and pain for Bills fans if that happens.

[Jrb1979]

7 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

No. Fraud. He just clipped it from an old tweet. “Kyle’s Treats” is a Clown

 

 

Sounds like a lot of the Bills media lately. Overhyping a WR that may or may not sign with the Bills. Maybe the Buffalo Media should focus on a team 1 game away from it's championship 

[BillsFanForever19]

21 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Hopkins going to KC would be the worst possible scenario.

 

There is absolutely ZERO benefit of Hopkins landing there. None. There is only misery and pain for Bills fans if that happens.

 

Really going out on a limb there saying Hopkins signing with the Chiefs wouldn't benefit us 😆

 

Whether or not it's something anyone here wants to see happen, it's unrealistic to think it's impossible that he would choose them over us.

[Hsker4life]

If we can make this happen, and he wants to come here, you absolutely do it. 100%.

 

 

[MasterStrategist]

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

his drop rate is 1% over the last 3-4 seasons.

 

I’ll say it again: that is something the Bills badly need. We led the league in drops. 

Bills didn't lead the league in drops, had 29, which was 2nd worst.

 

7 teams had 26 drops or more, including the SB winning Chiefs.

 

Gabe had 7 drops, tied for worst in the league with Jamar Chase, Travis Kelce and others.  Stefon Diggs 6 drops.

 

Obviously the team could do better in this area.  But let's not have mic drop moments about stating incorrect information, and acting like the importance is so paramount....it's gonna happen when you have a team throwing alot and our style of QB play...lets ask Chief fans how bothered they are with having 26 drops.

 

 

[MasterStrategist]

55 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

And adding 2-3 dead cap years where he isn't on the team. Which is what he's talking about. 

 

Players like Dalton Kincaid, James Cook, Kaiir Elam, etc could become superstars in the league that we have to pay a premium for and the belt will be tightened by a deal we made this season for a player who will probably no longer be on the team.

Don't act so level headed.  You know our window is closing, sky is falling, no Dhop=no SB...and most important, KC might get him instead of us, oh no.

 

You're spot on with this.  Although I'm expecting a million replies about being worried about salary cap, amongst other gripes.

 

In reality, our team (led by Beane/staff) has made ample improvements at key areas of concern. And echoing your point, we also have young/potential budding stars on both sides of the ball.  This isn't the end of a dynasty, but just the start

 

 

[MasterStrategist]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

Gabe’s catch % was in the 50s. That’s awful. 
 

No need to sugar coat his play. Gabe was Mr inconsistent last season, like the season before…. And the season before that. 

Agree, no need to sugarcoat.  

 

But some stat sites only show 57 of his targets as actually catchable. Just sharing information (ie:source is fantasy pros).

 

Gabe can obviously improve, so can others on our team.  My purpose of the post is let's not exaggerate what happened, just to align with an agenda of signing Dhop.

 

Dhop is a better player than Gabe, or any other receiver we have not named Stefon.  That's something we all should agree on.  

 

This topic has spun into we "need" Dhop, must spend at all costs because our window is about to close, Beane can't let Kc sign him no matter what, etc. 

 

Their is an alternate scenario that we play to our potential, our acquisitions contribute as expected, and our young guys take the needed step forward.  That includes Gabe playing to his, which is somewhere between this past year and KC playoff loss.  In this "team scenario", we don't need to mortgage future cap.  

 

this is a Sb roster with or w/o Dhop.  And if you or anyone else feels it's Dhop or bust, it's likely going to be disappointing once he takes the biggest $$$$ offer elsewhere

[BigDingus]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

To date, he’s shown that money matters most

 

And this is why it doesn't bode well for us, despite all the ways we MIGHT be able to make way for him. 

 

Many teams were trying to trade for him, but he wouldn't restructure his contract from $19.4 million. 

 

Coming from his camp, he's not willing to take a discount to play for a contender either. He's 31 years old, wouldn't come down from that nearly $20 million number, and now we get to see the bidding war.

 

It's not impossible, but c'mon. We do this every year, and we got our big money star last year in Von. Not sure we'll pull it off again. 

[Solomon Grundy]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

 

but then again, we don’t know what matters most to hopkins.  To date, he’s shown that money matters most

Welcome to America 2023...unfortunately😢

[arcadia bob]

Update....See previous post.... Bills made DH a offer on a 2-year deal. Told it was a very good offer with great bonuses etc. but DH wants a few things in the contract that BB doesn't want to include. I asked if he was still in play for KC and he said he doesn't know. Just passing on what I've been told ,,,,,,

[Warriorspikes51]

18 minutes ago, arcadia bob said:

Update....See previous post.... Bills made DH a offer on a 2-year deal. Told it was a very good offer with great bonuses etc. but DH wants a few things in the contract that BB doesn't want to include. I asked if he was still in play for KC and he said he doesn't know. Just passing on what I've been told ,,,,,,

come on Beane, make it happen!!

 

”practice is optional” is probably not something Beane wants to include in the contract LOL

 

in all seriousness, hopefully they are close enough that a compromise can be made by both parties

 

(if your source is correct)

Edited May 29, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[Chaos]

31 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Welcome to America 2023...unfortunately😢

Also America in 1823, 1923, 1953, 1973 and all the other years leading up to 2023.  This is how life works.