Education in America

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

26 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

[JaCrispy]

On 5/1/2023 at 5:40 PM, SUNY_amherst said:

I think young people are smarter today than they/we/I was/were 20-30 years ago. So that is a testament to education I suppose.
 

However I do think they are less resilient. I think educators need to fail students more when they deserve to be failed and I think administrators need to give teachers the support they need to do that. 

I would have to disagree…I think public school education has been dumbed down over the years, in an attempt to pass more students through the system….

 

54 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

These people are animals…smh

[All_Pro_Bills]

6 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

I would have to disagree…I think public school education has been dumbed down over the years, in an attempt to pass more students through the system….

 

As an example, an NEAP Report card on US 8th graders grasp of history reveals only 13% have a satisfactory level of proficiency.  That might help explain how easily those attempting to re-write past events have been so successful at duping the public.  13% is sadly pathetic.

Edited May 4, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills

[JaCrispy]

3 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

As an example, an NEAP Report card on US 8th graders grasp of history reveals only 13% have a satisfactory level of proficiency.  That might help explain how easily those attempting to re-write past events have been so successful at duping the public.  13% is sadly pathetic.

Agreed- and the same can also be said for basic math skills and literacy as well…

 

Most inner city kids that graduate high school can’t read higher than a 5th grade level…

Edited May 4, 2023 by JaCrispy

[All_Pro_Bills]

3 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Agreed- and the same can also be said for basic math skills and literacy as well…

 

Most inner city kids that graduate high school can’t read higher than a 5th grade level…

Thankfully their understanding of DEI concepts, terminology, and methods will provide a foundation for future success!

[Orlando Tim]

3 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

THE “MATH IS RACIST” ENDGAME: 

 

Chicago-Area High School Offers Racially Segregated Math Classes.

 

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2023/05/05/chicago-area-high-school-offers-racially-segregated-math-classes-n1692877

There is only one reason to set up a separate group like this, which is you feel the group can't compete on a level playing field. We have women sports because they can't compete with men, and age groups because 8 year olds can't compete with 14 year olds. I will state absolutely that many black kids can compete academically, this will not raise that number.

[Big Blitz]

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

On 5/4/2023 at 2:26 AM, JaCrispy said:

Agreed- and the same can also be said for basic math skills and literacy as well…

 

Most inner city kids that graduate high school can’t read higher than a 5th grade level…

This is not new. I was on a grad school teaching assistantship for a year at a public state university with open enrollment in the 80s. Taught General Chemistry lab. These were mostly middle class kids and not many from the inner city. About 1/4 of them didn’t understand fractions or exponentials. And some were pre med!  This is a problem with priorities imo. High school sports proficiency is more valued than academic achievement in many places as is social standing. It’s a societal problem and parents are sometimes to blame. No doubt many schools are lacking too. 

[Andy1]

5 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

High school sports proficiency is more valued than academic achievement in many places as is social standing. It’s a societal problem and parents are sometimes to blame. No doubt many schools are lacking too. 

100% agree. 

[Big Blitz]

 

[DrW]

1 hour ago, redtail hawk said:

This is not new. I was on a grad school teaching assistantship for a year at a public state university with open enrollment in the 80s. Taught General Chemistry lab. These were mostly middle class kids and not many from the inner city. About 1/4 of them didn’t understand fractions or exponentials. And some were pre med!  This is a problem with priorities imo. High school sports proficiency is more valued than academic achievement in many places as is social standing. It’s a societal problem and parents are sometimes to blame. No doubt many schools are lacking too. 

 

Question: Did the university something to improve this situation? It would be easy to say "That is not our job" - which is true but not helpful. We were facing the same dilemma in Biochemistry I which is a junior level course for BS/BA Biochemistry majors (most pre-med or some other pre-...) that contains a lot of pretty simple math, which a significant fraction of the students could not master. Thus, we added a mandatory one-semester-hour course in "Biochemical Calculations", and it clearly helped - not as much as we would have liked, but there was definite improvement.

Edited May 6, 2023 by DrW

[Joe Ferguson forever]

8 hours ago, DrW said:

 

Question: Did the university something to improve this situation? It would be easy to say "That is not our job" - which is true but not helpful. We were facing the same dilemma in Biochemistry I which is a junior level course for BS/BA Biochemistry majors (most pre-med or some other pre-...) that contains a lot of pretty simple math, which a significant fraction of the students could not master. Thus, we added a mandatory one-semester-hour course in "Biochemical Calculations", and it clearly helped - not as much as we would have liked, but there was definite improvement.

No. Sink or swim. Lots of sinking. 

[Orlando Tim]

Due to Covid many parents are as addicted to their phones as their kids are and give no back up when contacted about their child's usage of phone in class. I don't take a kids ever because if they have porn with another student I am not going to be in possession of it. Parents are the issue because if your parents don't love you enough to discipline you then nothing will matter.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

17 hours ago, DrW said:

 

Question: Did the university something to improve this situation? It would be easy to say "That is not our job" - which is true but not helpful. We were facing the same dilemma in Biochemistry I which is a junior level course for BS/BA Biochemistry majors (most pre-med or some other pre-...) that contains a lot of pretty simple math, which a significant fraction of the students could not master. Thus, we added a mandatory one-semester-hour course in "Biochemical Calculations", and it clearly helped - not as much as we would have liked, but there was definite improvement.

I've been thinking about your comment.  If those students didn't have the gumption to learn basic math skills before entering a pre professional program, do you think they are likely to be successful in their profession?  No one is likely to offer them remedial help in the professional world nor should they, imo.  For competitive spots, the goal should be to choose the best, brightest and most motivated.  The unknowing public deserves that.

Edited May 7, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Doc]

22 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

I've been thinking about your comment.  If those students didn't have the gumption to learn basic math skills before entering a pre professional program, do you think they are likely to be successful in their profession?  No one is likely to offer them remedial help in the professional world nor should they, imo.  For competitive spots, the goal should be to choose the best, brightest and most motivated.  The unknowing public deserves that.

 

So, what about Democrats actively trying to lower education standards?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

14 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

So, what about Democrats actively trying to lower education standards?

We aren't.  I'm certainly not.  I do support mandatory competency tests for academic advancement.  Also, post graduate and basic education standards are very different things.  A high school education and a professional degree infers and confers much different responsibilities and rewards.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, redtail hawk said:

We aren't.  I'm certainly not.  I do support mandatory competency tests for academic advancement.  Also, post graduate and basic education standards are very different things.  A high school education and a professional degree infers and confers much different responsibilities and rewards.

 

Sure Dems are (maybe not you specifically).  Standards are most certainly being lowered and it's not Repubs that are in charge of things like that.

[DrW]

5 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

I've been thinking about your comment.  If those students didn't have the gumption to learn basic math skills before entering a pre professional program, do you think they are likely to be successful in their profession?  No one is likely to offer them remedial help in the professional world nor should they, imo.  For competitive spots, the goal should be to choose the best, brightest and most motivated.  The unknowing public deserves that.

 

In an ideal world, you were certainly correct. However, the world is not perfect. We have already a dramatic shortage of doctors and nurses in rural areas, especially here in the wide and dry expanses of West Texas. Here I prefer a doctor who has learned some math after finishing high school to no doctor at all. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, DrW said:

 

In an ideal world, you were certainly correct. However, the world is not perfect. We have already a dramatic shortage of doctors and nurses in rural areas, especially here in the wide and dry expanses of West Texas. Here I prefer a doctor who has learned some math after finishing high school to no doctor at all. 

i'm not sure I want someone who can't convert fractions to decimals doing my brain surgery or even inappropriately prescribing narcotics or antibiotics but perhaps that's just me.  No, I get it but incentivize actual capable people to come to W Texas instead.

Edited May 7, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Big Blitz]

 

[BillsFanNC]

Imagine if this commie is teaching your kids. 

 

Not all that hard to imagine these days.

 

 

[Tiberius]

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

43 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

A clever story brought to you by somebody that voted for a guy that can't turn a door knob to open a door to exit a room.  Its like watching one of those robo-vacs that keeps banging into the wall over and over.    

Edited May 11, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills

[Steve O]

58 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

This is actually a remake of an old baseball joke. It seems that Timmy had recently moved from Chicago to St. Louis. The teacher asked the class who everyone's favorite baseball team was. Everyone but Timmy said the Cardinals. Timmy said the Chicago Cubs. The teacher explained to Timmy that he lived in St. Louis now and his favorite team should be the Cardinals. Timmy said he didn't care, his grandparents were Cubs fans, his parents, aunts and uncles were all Cubs fans, and he will always be a Cubs fan. Clearly frustrated, the teacher said suppose your mother was a hooker and your father was a pimp? Timmy said they would be White Sox fans.

Edited May 11, 2023 by Steve O

[Pokebball]

On 5/6/2023 at 4:21 PM, DrW said:

 

Question: Did the university something to improve this situation? It would be easy to say "That is not our job" - which is true but not helpful. We were facing the same dilemma in Biochemistry I which is a junior level course for BS/BA Biochemistry majors (most pre-med or some other pre-...) that contains a lot of pretty simple math, which a significant fraction of the students could not master. Thus, we added a mandatory one-semester-hour course in "Biochemical Calculations", and it clearly helped - not as much as we would have liked, but there was definite improvement.

I have had hundreds of Docs as clients throughout my career that probably struggle with basic math (at least I considered basic math). At first I discounted it as laziness or perhaps a lack of interest in business math. The Doc with the strongest business acumen was usually the managing partner of their medical practice. Understanding taxes, financing, and business ownership issues was rather lacking. I encouraged my son to get his undergrad in accounting or even finance.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

7 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

I have had hundreds of Docs as clients throughout my career that probably struggle with basic math (at least I considered basic math). At first I discounted it as laziness or perhaps a lack of interest in business math. The Doc with the strongest business acumen was usually the managing partner of their medical practice. Understanding taxes, financing, and business ownership issues was rather lacking. I encouraged my son to get his undergrad in accounting or even finance.

a bunch of my extended family are docs- specialists… 

 

they are unanimous that PCPs for example are mostly the equivalent c students of med school and oft extremely unimpressive. A lot of times it just takes parents money and the ability to defer generating real income for a long time. 
 

maybe doctors are the best and brightest in other countries, perhaps India for example… in our country it’s not the case. 

[Pokebball]

10 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

a bunch of my extended family are docs- specialists… 

 

they are unanimous that PCPs for example are mostly the equivalent c students of med school and oft extremely unimpressive. A lot of times it just takes parents money and the ability to defer generating real income for a long time. 
 

maybe doctors are the best and brightest in other countries, perhaps India for example… in our country it’s not the case. 

I had little reason to ever learn about or understand the AMA until my kid went through med school. As professional associations go, it's kinda whacked, in many ways.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

27 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

I had little reason to ever learn about or understand the AMA until my kid went through med school. As professional associations go, it's kinda whacked, in many ways.

Some of the more cynical I know are Sure it a cartel 

[B-Man]

 

Oakland Teachers’ Union Puts Liberal Agenda Ahead of Members, Students, Parents

 

It’s getting so bad nowadays unions don’t even pretend to serve their members anymore.

 

{snip}

 

 

According to the OEA website, 80 percent of its membership authorized the strike in a vote claiming an 87 percent participation rate. Whether those casting votes fully understood that Armendariz planned to tie their personal future to a laundry list of unattainable liberal talking points isn’t entirely clear, though.

 

What’s unassailably true is that not a single one of the district’s students or the parents who have a perfect right to expect they will be in class every day getting an education was asked their opinion.

 

For the third time in four years, they are the unwitting pawns. Their dreams and aspirations are being held hostage to OEA leaders’ selfish desire to put their political ideology above the kitchen-table concerns of the union rank and file.

 

Sadly, the Oakland experience isn’t just an outlier. It’s become the rule rather than the exception among government employee unions in general and teachers’ unions in particular.

 

Could that be why public employee unions continue to hemorrhage members every day?

 

 

https://redstate.com/freedom-foundation/2023/05/16/oakland-teachers-union-puts-liberal-agenda-ahead-of-members-students-parents-n746053

[John from Riverside]

On 5/7/2023 at 9:24 AM, Doc said:

 

So, what about Democrats actively trying to lower education standards?

I am an advisor at a university for PhD and masters students in four different programs

 

Could you please explain how they’re trying to lower education standards?

[Doc]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

I am an advisor at a university for PhD and masters students in four different programs

 

Could you please explain how they’re trying to lower education standards?

 

I'm talking about High School.

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I'm talking about High School.

OK can you explain how they are dumbing down education and high schools?

 

I’m genuinely curious my kids have been out of school for a while and I don’t recruit at the high school level

 

 

Edited May 16, 2023 by John from Riverside

[B-Man]

 

 

National Survey Shows ‘Devastating’ Pandemic-Era Learning Loss in K-8 across U.S.

Researchers fear parents think their children are doing much better educationally than the numbers reveal.

 

 

A group of researchers from some of the country’s most prestigious institutions reviewed test scores and other data related to educational performance in K-8 across the US.

 

Their conclusion: There has been a ‘devastating’ level of pandemic-era learning loss throughout the nation.

 

The “educational harm” caused by the coronavirus pandemic has been “devastating,” according to a recent survey of 26 million K-8 students by researchers at Stanford, Johns Hopkins, Dartmouth and Harvard. The researchers also found that the pandemic “exacerbated economic and racial educational inequality,” as lead authors Tom Kane of Harvard and Sean Reardon of Stanford wrote in a New York Times essay accompanying the release of their findings last week.

 

Standardized test results have similarly shown that American students are losing ground in math, reading, history and social studies. But the new findings, which are part of the Educational Recovery Scorecard, add important — and troubling — context while also calling for urgent action.

The top line

In a survey of 7,800 communities in 40 states and Washington, D.C., Kane, Reardon and their colleagues found that between 2019 and 2022, the average “U.S. public school student in grades 3-8 lost the equivalent of a half year of learning in math and a quarter of a year in reading.

 

https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/05/national-survey-shows-devastating-pandemic-era-learning-loss-in-k-8-across-u-s/

 

https://news.yahoo.com/covid-brief-parents-don-t-111500940.html?

[BillStime]

🎯

 

 

[John from Riverside]

34 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

National Survey Shows ‘Devastating’ Pandemic-Era Learning Loss in K-8 across U.S.

Researchers fear parents think their children are doing much better educationally than the numbers reveal.

 

 

A group of researchers from some of the country’s most prestigious institutions reviewed test scores and other data related to educational performance in K-8 across the US.

 

Their conclusion: There has been a ‘devastating’ level of pandemic-era learning loss throughout the nation.

 

The “educational harm” caused by the coronavirus pandemic has been “devastating,” according to a recent survey of 26 million K-8 students by researchers at Stanford, Johns Hopkins, Dartmouth and Harvard. The researchers also found that the pandemic “exacerbated economic and racial educational inequality,” as lead authors Tom Kane of Harvard and Sean Reardon of Stanford wrote in a New York Times essay accompanying the release of their findings last week.

 

Standardized test results have similarly shown that American students are losing ground in math, reading, history and social studies. But the new findings, which are part of the Educational Recovery Scorecard, add important — and troubling — context while also calling for urgent action.

The top line

In a survey of 7,800 communities in 40 states and Washington, D.C., Kane, Reardon and their colleagues found that between 2019 and 2022, the average “U.S. public school student in grades 3-8 lost the equivalent of a half year of learning in math and a quarter of a year in reading.

 

https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/05/national-survey-shows-devastating-pandemic-era-learning-loss-in-k-8-across-u-s/

 

https://news.yahoo.com/covid-brief-parents-don-t-111500940.html?

So if your argument here is that during the pandemic, kids were not getting a good education as if they were in person I agree with you. I saw it at the University level I work in programs that do hands-on research with my PhD‘s and masters students in certain programs most programs actually, and they were not able to do that while the schools were down for Covid 
 

A bad situation, but my question to that is how shouldn’t have been handled differently not knowing what we know now, but the bit that we didn’t know back then the leaders of the country have a responsibility to try to keep people safe

[John from Riverside]

On 5/9/2023 at 3:43 AM, BillsFanNC said:

Imagine if this commie is teaching your kids. 

 

Not all that hard to imagine these days.

 

 

OK you lost me not that hard to do sometimes
 

What did he say exactly that was wrong

[Big Blitz]

Florida teacher defiant after showing 'woke' Disney movie in class: Parents rights 'are gone' in public school

 

'Pushing the beliefs that all these things are wrong – that is indoctrinating,' the fifth grade teacher said

 

Jenna Barbee, a Hernando County fifth grade teacher, defended her decision to show her class the 2022 Disney animated film, "Strange World," for an earth science lesson. After parent and member of the school board Shannon Rodriguez complained however, the teacher is now being investigated by the school district and state Department of Education for showing the film with an openly gay character.

 

Rodriguez said at a recent school board meeting that the film "opens the door" for teachers to have conversations with students that are inappropriate for the classroom.

 

But Barbee argued that students were already having conversations about same-sex relationships among themselves and on social media and that it would be impossible for teachers to stop them. She said a parent's right to shield their child from LGBTQ conversations is "gone" when that child attends public school…..

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/florida-teacher-defiant-showing-woke-disney-movie-class-parents-rights-gone-public-school?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[Orlando Tim]

 

I wish this was not so spot on but I have 40 students who have 25+ absences. Kids who have C average are told they can have a "mental health" day 2 times a month but parents believe they can compete with my kid who has missed 25 days in grades 6-12 combined. Honestly the worst part to me is the kids are blind sided when none of the good schools want anything to do with them, because their parents told them they were special when they are performing at an average level 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Florida teacher defiant after showing 'woke' Disney movie in class: Parents rights 'are gone' in public school

 

'Pushing the beliefs that all these things are wrong – that is indoctrinating,' the fifth grade teacher said

 

Jenna Barbee, a Hernando County fifth grade teacher, defended her decision to show her class the 2022 Disney animated film, "Strange World," for an earth science lesson. After parent and member of the school board Shannon Rodriguez complained however, the teacher is now being investigated by the school district and state Department of Education for showing the film with an openly gay character.

 

Rodriguez said at a recent school board meeting that the film "opens the door" for teachers to have conversations with students that are inappropriate for the classroom.

 

But Barbee argued that students were already having conversations about same-sex relationships among themselves and on social media and that it would be impossible for teachers to stop them. She said a parent's right to shield their child from LGBTQ conversations is "gone" when that child attends public school…..

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/florida-teacher-defiant-showing-woke-disney-movie-class-parents-rights-gone-public-school?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

What does a Disney movie or lgbtq+\-%#£€¥ has to do with earth science ?? 

 

does it cover how to calculate greenhouse emissions from various energy sources? 

Sheeesh…. Save the narcissistic religion of me for those who are interested. Make an after school club or something 
 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Look this is very simple.

 

I don't care if it was Bambi, as a teacher you are NOT allowed to show the kids a video without it being cleared.

 

She knew this and did it anyway and is now crying "victim"   Which is laughably backed by some of PPP's lower posters.

 

Oh, here's another quote from her.

 

Your "rights as a parent, those rights are gone when your child is in the public school system"

 

Yeah, she's just an "innocent" teacher.