Singletary—inarguably above average statistically: discuss

[NoSaint]

33 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I love Cook, but he is small. He is legit 25 pounds less than his brother, and he was protected at georgia despite the obvious talent. The bills need another back, obviously, and my point is why not take the guy who knows the offense and who is above-average in productivity by every nfl measure assuming he’s affordable?

You want a list of a the sixth-seventh round RB rookies in the last five years who didn’t pan out? Happy to provide it. This is akin to arguing that we should wait til the 6th round to draft qbs because, you know, tom brady.

I use the Tom Brady argument all the time. But it’s a big gap between looking for your franchise qb there vs looking for a 3rd string back to use in a couple sub packages 

[ScottLaw]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

It even bleeds over into podcasters and fans.  
 

“Who’s our MLB!?”

 

”Who’s our DT4”

 

What!?… How about we address WR2 and RT and deal with the fact we may not have Top 100 picks and paid players at almost every rotational position on the defense? 

You know if they go into draft day as is at MLB they are spending a 1st or 2nd round pick there…. Followed by defensive line….. meanwhile let’s trust Gabe for a 4th straight year to finally figure it out.😅

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

It even bleeds over into podcasters and fans.  
 

“Who’s our MLB!?”

 

”Who’s our DT4”

 

What!?… How about we address WR2 and RT and deal with the fact we may not have Top 100 picks and paid players at almost every rotational position on the defense? 

Like Scott Law and I have said, the Bills don’t seem like they have any urgency at WR 2.

 

They just picked up a 5’6” WR who has 64 career catches and Beane said they’re trying to finagle McKenzie’s contract despite his disastrous showing last year. 
 

If the FO brings back Phillips and Lawson on vet minimum deals, that’s $2.4M less in cap space and Beane said they were at $9M free today, with some provisioned for rookies and IR.

 

So it’s looking like Dodson is your MLB going into the draft, or they’ll have to dip into the restructure pot again. 
 

You could trade Oliver, but then you would have to take some of that $10M and re-sign Phillips or someone else, unless you’re drafting two DTs. 

[ScottLaw]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Like Scott Law and I have said, the Bills don’t seem like they have any urgency at WR 2.

 

They just picked up a 5’6” WR who has 64 career catches and Beane said they’re trying to finagle McKenzie’s contract despite his disastrous showing last year. 
 

If the FO brings back Phillips and Lawson on vet minimum deals, that’s $2.4M less in cap space and Beane said they were at $9M free today, with some provisioned for rookies and IR.

 

So it’s looking like Dodson is your MLB going into the draft, or they’ll have to dip into the restructure pot again. 
 

You could trade Oliver, but then you would have to take some of that $10M and re-sign Phillips or someone else, unless you’re drafting two DTs. 

No question that McKenzie is as good as gone.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Like Scott Law and I have said, the Bills don’t seem like they have any urgency at WR 2.

 

They just picked up a 5’6” WR who has 64 career catches and Beane said they’re trying to finagle McKenzie’s contract despite his disastrous showing last year. 
 

If the FO brings back Phillips and Lawson on vet minimum deals, that’s $2.4M less in cap space and Beane said they were at $9M free today, with some provisioned for rookies and IR.

 

So it’s looking like Dodson is your MLB going into the draft, or they’ll have to dip into the restructure pot again. 
 

You could trade Oliver, but then you would have to take some of that $10M and re-sign Phillips or someone else, unless you’re drafting two DTs. 

I think Brandon is playing the patient game the long game

 

Possibly waiting for a veteran wide receiver to shake loose a Sanders type

 

That ended up being a really good deal for us even though Sanders didn’t maintain his level of play through the whole season, he pushed Gabe Davis and we had four quality wide receivers on the field at all times

 

Let’s keep in mind. The number one is already here. Gabe Davis is an extremely good number three they can find another guy and I believe that they will. I think that our mighty Smurf is the McKitrick replacement.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

You know if they go into draft day as is at MLB they are spending a 1st or 2nd round pick there…. Followed by defensive line….. meanwhile let’s trust Gabe for a 4th straight year to finally figure it out.😅

They’re not going to take a creative avenue here and package players and picks to try and get impact.

 

If you could ship Gabe and a 3rd for Hopkins, but they need money relief. I don’t like the Jeudy idea as much, but he’d take #27 straight up or some combination. 
 

As fans, it’s hard to know who is available? 

 

They believe in Draft - Develop and Retain so they can’t afford eating dead cap in trades. 

[ScottLaw]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

They’re not going to take a creative avenue here and package players and picks to try and get impact.

 

If you could ship Gabe and a 3rd for Hopkins, but they need money relief. I don’t like the Jeudy idea as much, but he’d take #27 straight up or some combination. 
 

As fans, it’s hard to know who is available? 

 

They believe in Draft - Develop and Retain so they can’t afford eating dead cap in trades. 

I’d trade 27 for Jeudy in a heart beat…. I can not see McBeane doing that considering the self inflicted holes defensively… my guess is they feel they need to fix those holes with heavy assets like they feel they need to do every year after a defensive failure ends the season.

Edited March 17 by ScottLaw

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I think Brandon is playing the patient game the long game

 

Possibly waiting for a veteran wide receiver to shake loose a Sanders type

 

That ended up being a really good deal for us even though Sanders didn’t maintain his level of play through the whole season, he pushed Gabe Davis and we had four quality wide receivers on the field at all times

 

Let’s keep in mind. The number one is already here. Gabe Davis is an extremely good number three they can find another guy and I believe that they will. I think that our mighty Smurf is the McKitrick replacement.

Good post.

 

Yeah you’re right, Beane said it today in words and tone, they’re kind of stuck. They’ve done all they can to keep the band together that has won 3-Straight AFC East Titles. 

 

There seems to be a couple more restructure levers to pull, but Beane sounded like reluctant to that and I would be too.

 

He said they’re tight next year as well. 
 

 

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

They’re not going to take a creative avenue here and package players and picks to try and get impact.

 

If you could ship Gabe and a 3rd for Hopkins, but they need money relief. I don’t like the Jeudy idea as much, but he’d take #27 straight up or some combination. 
 

As fans, it’s hard to know who is available? 

 

They believe in Draft - Develop and Retain so they can’t afford eating dead cap in trades. 

I would totally do Jj for 27

 

I don’t believe that there’s a wide receiver in this draft that matches his talent

 

It would keep us from drafting a linebacker at 27 which I don’t want

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

Singletary has averaged 4.7 ypc for his career (and 4.7 in 2022) and the league average in the years he has played is between 4.3 and 4.4 (trust me, but look it up if you doubt me: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/league-average-yards-per-carry-by-running-backs-2022).  Since he has entered the league, he has always been above league average. And lest you think any RB can average these numbers, Frank Gore averaged 3.6 ypc in 2019 for the Bills (a year in which Allen had 510 yards rushing and nearly 5 ypc). Point is, the grass ain’t always greener.

I’ll take him back.  I think he’s underrated and is good enough to win a SB with.  And he’ll be cheap and allow us to spend draft picks elsewhere.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I would totally do Jj for 27

 

I don’t believe that there’s a wide receiver in this draft that matches his talent

 

It would keep us from drafting a linebacker at 27 which I don’t want

In college Jeudy was consistently dominant. 

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Good post.

 

Yeah you’re right, Beane said it today in words and tone, they’re kind of stuck. They’ve done all they can to keep the band together that has won 3-Straight AFC East Titles. 

 

There seems to be a couple more restructure levers to pull, but Beane sounded like reluctant to that and I would be too.

 

He said they’re tight next year as well. 
 

 

I don’t want him to pull every restructure lever either we need to save some of that for future moves

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Like Scott Law and I have said, the Bills don’t seem like they have any urgency at WR 2.

 

They just picked up a 5’6” WR who has 64 career catches and Beane said they’re trying to finagle McKenzie’s contract despite his disastrous showing last year. 
 

If the FO brings back Phillips and Lawson on vet minimum deals, that’s $2.4M less in cap space and Beane said they were at $9M free today, with some provisioned for rookies and IR.

 

So it’s looking like Dodson is your MLB going into the draft, or they’ll have to dip into the restructure pot again. 
 

You could trade Oliver, but then you would have to take some of that $10M and re-sign Phillips or someone else, unless you’re drafting two DTs. 

2 days into the offseason in which there hasn’t been one legit WR2 acquired by any team:  “the Bills don’t seem like they have any urgency in finding a WR2”

 

you can’t make this stuff up. 
 

[DapperCam]

It’s always hard to tell with our RBs, because our run blocking has been pretty poor his entire tenure with the Bills, but he also faces light boxes all the time. I think he is a slightly above average back in balance, short area quickness and vision. But he has no top end speed and he doesn’t have the power to run a LBer over (or even a DB really) for a first down. He also seems to fumble a lot and drop passes (at least to my eyes).

 

I would rather we give Cook a chance to carry the load and bring in a bruiser that will get 1 yard no matter what. Even if he had to drag three guys.

Edited March 17 by DapperCam

[SCBills]

7 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Good post.

 

Yeah you’re right, Beane said it today in words and tone, they’re kind of stuck. They’ve done all they can to keep the band together that has won 3-Straight AFC East Titles. 

 

There seems to be a couple more restructure levers to pull, but Beane sounded like reluctant to that and I would be too.

 

He said they’re tight next year as well. 
 

 

Blockbuster never felt they needed to change to fend off Netflix, yet here we are.  
 

I don’t hate running it back, as I do think this defense - when healthy - is probably a Top 5 unit. 
 

But, here we stand.. the Offense is still lacking around Allen when compared to KC, CIN and MIA, with NYJ right behind us. 

 

Doesn’t mean it stays that way .. but as of today, that’s where we’re at. 

 

 

Edited March 17 by SCBills

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

2 days into the offseason in which there hasn’t been one legit WR2 acquired by any team:  “the Bills don’t seem like they have any urgency in finding a WR2”

 

you can’t make this stuff up. 
 

Actually I wasn’t whining at all.

 

SC, ScottLaw and John were having a good conversation on the roster construction and remaining holes.

 

Cool for you, got your cheap shot in.

 

But Beane and staff like Gabe and have said so a lot. And because of their cap and holes on D, it’s hard envisioning where another legit pass catcher is coming from despite some fans wanting it. 
 

Nobody was insulting anyone, until you showed up. 

[SydneyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Can certainly do worse but he commands no attention from defenses.  He’s not explosive enough to break big runs and he’s not powerful enough to get the tough yards.  

 

He looked powerful enough to me when he got the game winning first down v Miami, carried 4 guys on his back for 10 yards if I recall correctly.

 

The guy is all heart and team first. If you can get him back for 3 yrs 9 mil I would do it no hesitation.

 

Running back is not the issue, it's the soft as butter O-line with all the push of a box jellyfish. Beef up the line and watch Cook / Motor / Hines go to work.

[QLBillsFan]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I'm not for or against the idea of Singletary coming back. I'm simply aware of the RB market situation and the emphasis this regime places on bringing back their own and team chemistry.

 

Motor is one of the most popular guys in the locker room. And we've always carried 4 RB's on the roster. Wouldn't shock me to see Hines taking Taiwan's spot being a core Special Teamer who provides more on offense than Taiwan did.

Hines is not a gunner. Taiwan has a very specific ST role especially with the Bills. The Bills will have a 3rd rb get snaps. Either Motor, another FA, or  a 5th or 7th round pick. 

[Playoffs?]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Gore averaged 3.6 against the same teams and the chiefs’ ypc since 2019 is under 4.7. Come up with a more empirically sound argument.

See above.

Why keep comparing him to Frank Gore?  
 

And are yards per carry the only metric that should be used to determine how good a runningback is?

[LeGOATski]

Yep, Singletary is just fine. They're a prolific offense without a star RB or big-bodied WR. If one of those types of players falls in their lap and is the BPA, then great.