ScottLaw Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: No offense, but Murray sucks now and hasn’t averaged 4.7 ypc since his rookie season, which was over a decade ago. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MurrLa00.htm He ran the ball pretty well the last 6-7 games of the season…. Either way, I don’t want to use any more cap space on a RB then I need too… sign a cheap vet or draft another one 6th to 7th round. Pacheco was a 7th round rookie…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Nah I’m done being talked down to. Cook is your freaking answer man. Cook had 89 carries last year. He’s a 2nd Round pick with better physical traits all around than Singletary. So he gets double the carries this season as the lead. Then the guy that your GM brought with a 5th Round pick and Moss is used as the breather/3rd down back so he actually justifies the investment. If those two get hurt, then head to the street or practice squad to an undrafted rookie runner who still will run for over 4.0 ypc because virtually everyone does in the NFL. I love Cook, but he is small. He is legit 25 pounds less than his brother, and he was protected at georgia despite the obvious talent. The bills need another back, obviously, and my point is why not take the guy who knows the offense and who is above-average in productivity by every nfl measure assuming he’s affordable? 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: He ran the ball pretty well the last 6-7 games of the season…. Either way, I don’t want to use any more cap space on a RB then I need too… sign a cheap vet or draft another one 6th to 7th round. Pacheco was a 7th round rookie…. You want a list of a the sixth-seventh round RB rookies in the last five years who didn’t pan out? Happy to provide it. This is akin to arguing that we should wait til the 6th round to draft qbs because, you know, tom brady. Edited March 17 by dave mcbride Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 6 minutes ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said: I was joking. Sorry, it looked like you literally replied to the same thing twice in one response. Just trying to keep it light brother. Fair enough! (And I did think I was responding to two different posts — my bad!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 The king of the JAGs. Give Cook the reins. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Cook is gonna be on the field more in his 2nd year and Hines will be used more as well. I think McDermott wants a downhill bruiser to round out the RB room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I love Cook, but he is small. He is legit 25 pounds less than his brother, and he was protected at georgia despite the obvious talent. The bills need another back, obviously, and my point is why not take the guy who knows the offense and who is above-average productive by every nfl measure assuming he’s affordable? You want a list of a the sixth-seventh round rookies in the last five years who didn’t pan out? Happy to provide it. This is akin to arguing that we should wait til the 6th round to draft qbs because, you know, tom brady. 🤷🏻♂️ The Buffalo Bills FO picked him in the 2nd Round. Why are you taking Running Backs in the 2nd Round if you don’t think they can hold up? Again, come Year 4, you draft another cheap RB and start the process again. The key here is don’t get attached. Also, Bills have Jones, Settle, Oliver at DT and no 4th DT on the roster. Shaw Lawson is a FA so Von better be able to start Week 1. Your starting MLB right now is Terrell Dodson. And the Bills have 5 WRs under contract now. So there are more pressing uses of the $9M left per Beane than Singletary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 20 minutes ago, Rigotz said: I’d be shocked at this point if he does. What value does he bring to our team? He’s not a special teamer. He’s not a good short yardage back. He’s not a great pass blocker. He’s not big enough to wear down defenses. There a loads of guys who can do these things VERY well and THAT is the skill set we need. If we re-sign Singletary, is the idea that we would have Cook, Singletary, Hines AND a power back in the backfield or do you just not want a power back on the team? It seems like a bad fit. Say what you want about the player, but we don’t need his skill set. I'm not for or against the idea of Singletary coming back. I'm simply aware of the RB market situation and the emphasis this regime places on bringing back their own and team chemistry. Motor is one of the most popular guys in the locker room. And we've always carried 4 RB's on the roster. Wouldn't shock me to see Hines taking Taiwan's spot being a core Special Teamer who provides more on offense than Taiwan did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 I think Singletary is a fine RB but he has no special traits. That's not a RB you give a 2nd contract to, not when your cap space is as tight as ours is. He's consistent but I wish he had even league average burst. Our offense lacked explosion the past two years. In that context I can't justify paying one of the least explosive RBs in the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottLaw Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) 12 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I love Cook, but he is small. He is legit 25 pounds less than his brother, and he was protected at georgia despite the obvious talent. The bills need another back, obviously, and my point is why not take the guy who knows the offense and who is above-average in productivity by every nfl measure assuming he’s affordable? You want a list of a the sixth-seventh round RB rookies in the last five years who didn’t pan out? Happy to provide it. This is akin to arguing that we should wait til the 6th round to draft qbs because, you know, tom brady. Not sure what you’d like me to say?… I don’t consider it a priority for a team who’s QB is Josh Allen. RB is such an interchangeable position at this stage of the game that I think the Bills would be 100% fine with what they got and a cheap veteran like Murray or a later draft pick…. As you already said, they should be looking to upgrade at WR and upfront and put RB on the back burner. 4 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: 🤷🏻♂️ The Buffalo Bills FO picked him in the 2nd Round. Why are you taking Running Backs in the 2nd Round if you don’t think they can hold up? Again, come Year 4, you draft another cheap RB and start the process again. The key here is don’t get attached. Also, Bills have Jones, Settle, Oliver at DT and no 4th DT on the roster. Shaw Lawson is a FA so Von better be able to start Week 1. Your starting MLB right now is Terrell Dodson. And the Bills have 5 WRs under contract now. So there are more pressing uses of the $9M left per Beane than Singletary. Yea… they are somewhat of a mess upfront with the Von injury, Phillips/Shaq as FAs and AJE/Basham looking like JAGs and really not much money to go around…. Awful look given the investment…. It’s why I wouldn’t at all be surprised if defense is the priority yet again this draft. Edited March 17 by ScottLaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: Singletary has averaged 4.7 ypc for his career (and 4.7 in 2022) and the league average in the years he has played is between 4.3 and 4.4 (trust me, but look it up if you doubt me: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/league-average-yards-per-carry-by-running-backs-2022). Since he has entered the league, he has always been above league average. And lest you think any RB can average these numbers, Frank Gore averaged 3.6 ypc in 2019 for the Bills (a year in which Allen had 510 yards rushing and nearly 5 ypc). Point is, the grass ain’t always greener. I actually like Singletary and thought he was very underused here but I'd rather have a big bruising back, the Chiefs hit a home run with Isiah Pacheco in the 7th round. If we can pull stuff off like that it would be a huge boost to this team, We need to start hitting on these picks. Edited March 17 by BuffaloBillsGospel2014 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Not sure what you’d like me to say?… I don’t consider it a priority for a team who’s QB is Josh Allen. RB is such an interchangeable position at this stage of the game that I think the Bills would be 100% fine with what they got and a cheap veteran like Murray or a later draft pick…. As you already said, they should be looking to upgrade at WR and upfront and put RB on the back burner. Yea… they are somewhat of a mess upfront with the Von injury, Phillips/Shaq as FAs and AJE/Basham looking like JAGs and really not much money to go around…. Awful look given the investment…. It’s why I wouldn’t at all be surprised if defense is the priority yet again this draft. It’s looking more and more like DT and DE early. The Bills just don’t seem to have any urgency at WR. They believe in Gabe and aren’t going to move off him. I’m becoming resigned to the state of this roster and their reluctance to do anything significant at WR. The Bills have no size in that group. Watching them warm up last year it was Gabe, and then everyone else looks tiny out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 22 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I hear you, but if Motor ends up being cheap, why not re-sign him and focus the draft on more key positions? Because we're incredibly tight against the cap and still have several holes. Who is filling in for Von Miller while he recovers? Who is our MLB? Who is next in line behind Oliver and Jones? Who is first in if Diggs or Davis go down? Every one of these needs is harder to fill in the draft than a RB that can run against light boxes. We can make do with Hines (who already carries a big cap hit in his own right) and Cook and a rookie. Let our 2nd round pick from last year be the #1 RB. If he can't be, it was a bad pick. In lieu of the run game I'm hoping our plan this year is to get the RBs and Knox and Harty more involved in the quick passing game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 He is. I like him. But don't pay him. Cook is better. If the market dries out and he'll come back for an AAV less than $5 mil, pay him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottLaw Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: It’s looking more and more like DT and DE early. The Bills just don’t seem to have any urgency at WR. They believe in Gabe and aren’t going to move off him. I’m becoming resigned to the state of this roster and their reluctance to do anything significant at WR. The Bills have no size in that group. Watching them warm up last year it was Gabe, and then everyone else looks tiny out there. Have to agree… In a league where QB and offense rule McBeane continue to be do the opposite and put defense first…. You can add LB to that list. There is nothing more irritating to me than their strategy at WR and offensive line. It is a joke in a conference with Cincy and KC…. He’ll even Miami and NYJ. Edited March 17 by ScottLaw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) 32 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: Singletary is a above average receiver Really? I think he's a well below average receiving back. He had the 3rd highest drop percentage of qualifying RBs last year at 11.5%. His acceleration is poor which means he's not a great check down option since it takes him too long to get going. For a pass-heavy offense this is in fact probably the biggest reason he isn't worth a 2nd contract. Edited March 17 by HappyDays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 I agree that he is above average and underrated. I feel like whenever the Bills made him the feature back there was better rhythm. He also was the Bills best short yardage back towards the end of last season. That all said the Bills can’t afford to spend what he deserves and they need a large running back to compliment Cook and Hines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) Dave, I'm not a Singletary hater. But not a lover either, and I don't get the Gore comparison. Gore was a shell of his former self when he played for the Bills. Of course Singletary was better. If you want to make a comparison, let's try this one: * In 1973, OJ averaged 6.0 ypc against defenses that lined up with one singular purpose: stop OJ. * In 2022, Singletary averaged 4.6 ypc against defenses that lined up with one singular purpose: stop Josh Allen. Opponents don't scheme up ways to stop Singletary. They don't load up the box. They don't put a spy on him like they used to do with OJ or sometimes do for Josh. Singletary is an offensive afterthought. I like Singletary. He lives up to his nickname - he's a high motor guy and, by all accounts, a good teammate. But he's not in the same league as the better backs that have blessed the Bills backfield over the years: OJ, Thurman, Shady, Cookie, Freddy, Cribbs, Marshawn... Could we do worse? Of course. But we can do better and have in the past. Edited March 17 by hondo in seattle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: Gore averaged 3.6 against the same teams and the chiefs’ ypc since 2019 is under 4.7. Come up with a more empirically sound argument. See above. gore was using a walker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: Have to agree… In a league where QB and offense rule McBeane continue to be do the opposite and put defense first…. You can add LB to that list. There is nothing more irritating to me than their strategy at WR and offensive line. It is a joke in a conference with Cincy and KC…. He’ll even Miami and NYJ. You look at the offense and there is decent original draft investment there, until WR. Beane got the #1 WR that Whaley looked high and low for, but then he stopped. Dawkins - 2nd Round Ryan Bates - Undrafted Mitch Morse - 2nd Round Connor McGovern - 3rd Round Spencer Brown - 3rd Round Josh Allen - 1st Round James Cook - 2nd Round Nyheim Hines - 4th Round/5th Round for trade Dawson Knox - 3rd Round Quintin Morris - Undrafted Stefon Diggs - 5th Round/1st Round for trade Gabe Davis - 4th Round Deonte Harty - Undrafted Kahlil Shakir - 5th Round Isaiah McKenzie - 5th Round It seems to be a 1st Round pick away at WR and a 2nd Round pick away on OLine to take the next step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Have to agree… In a league where QB and offense rule McBeane continue to be do the opposite and put defense first…. You can add LB to that list. There is nothing more irritating to me than their strategy at WR and offensive line. It is a joke in a conference with Cincy and KC…. He’ll even Miami and NYJ. It even bleeds over into podcasters and fans. “Who’s our MLB!?” ”Who’s our DT4” What!?… How about we address WR2 and RT and deal with the fact we may not have Top 100 picks and paid players at almost every rotational position on the defense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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