Southern_Bills Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 (edited) 3 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: On Watson’s K? I don’t think the cap hit is that high. It's 63,977,000 the next 3 years, good luck fielding a team lol. Edited March 30 by Southern_Bills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Here's a pundit, former player, who I disagree with. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ravens-lamar-jackson-being-hurt-by-patrick-mahomes-b-s-contract-according-to-former-nfl-star/ He's saying: Quote Former NFL star Richard Sherman blames that on other quarterbacks like Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen. The five-time Pro Bowler says Mahomes should have looked to set a "precedent" with a fully guaranteed deal instead of taking the "B.S." 10-year contract that he ended up accepting. and Quote Sherman is essentially saying that Jackson lost any leverage he might have had for a fully guaranteed deal when Mahomes and Allen didn't try to get one. Also, the Watson deal hasn't helped things, because his contract has backfired so far with Watson struggling through his first season in Cleveland. Like Cleveland over-valued Watson, I think Sherman here over-values Jackson. And to angrily call out Mahomes and Allen out as the root cause of Jackson's situation is just over the top. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 2 minutes ago, boater said: Here's a pundit, former player, who I disagree with. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ravens-lamar-jackson-being-hurt-by-patrick-mahomes-b-s-contract-according-to-former-nfl-star/ He's saying: and Like Cleveland over-valued Watson, I think Sherman here over-values Jackson. And to angrily call out Mahomes and Allen out as the root cause of Jackson's situation is just over the top. I mean he's not wrong, if you're not giving those contracts to players at the same position winning their teams more games in the post season then why would you give him one? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 1 hour ago, boater said: Here's a pundit, former player, who I disagree with. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ravens-lamar-jackson-being-hurt-by-patrick-mahomes-b-s-contract-according-to-former-nfl-star/ He's saying: and Like Cleveland over-valued Watson, I think Sherman here over-values Jackson. And to angrily call out Mahomes and Allen out as the root cause of Jackson's situation is just over the top. It's Mahomes' and Josh's faults that they're not selfish and greedy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NyQuil Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 On 3/29/2023 at 9:25 PM, arcane said: I don't understand how Bulldog and other pundits/fans around the country are so baffled that teams aren't lining up to offer their firstborns for him, or that the Ravens won't just hand over a fully guaranteed version of the Allen contract. Bulldog was really high on Jackson and want the Bills to draft him back in 2018 so he's always been pro Jackson. Its getting pretty bad though with how he keeps defending him and calling out teams for not wanting to talk to him. I think a little bit of it has to do with the sunk cost fallacy. He's spent so much time being a fan that he just can't be objective. It's hard to say "I was wrong." One thing that drives me mad whether if its Bulldog or other pundits is how they throw around that he is an MVP but never mention that it was four years ago and he hasn't finished that last two seasons. They also never bring up his 1-3 playoff record. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 3/30/2023 at 2:59 PM, boater said: Here's a pundit, former player, who I disagree with. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ravens-lamar-jackson-being-hurt-by-patrick-mahomes-b-s-contract-according-to-former-nfl-star/ He's saying: and Like Cleveland over-valued Watson, I think Sherman here over-values Jackson. And to angrily call out Mahomes and Allen out as the root cause of Jackson's situation is just over the top. I agree with him as far as Mahomes goes. That man at that time only losses in the playoffs were to Brady. He could have gotten a lot more if he wanted to, maybe he like Allen saw how BIG deals hurt the team.. look at Rogers, always got top tier deals but has won 1 SB and the Packers always under perform in the playoffs. While Brady took less and constantly was in the SB and championship games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Defense Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Very disturbing how dumb Jackson is being about almost all related to his new contract, from his initial decision to not get a real agent, to his unreasonable demands, to his most recent tweet. While I do not think it is likely he would have been be a QB consistently leading a team to contend for a championship, he could have had an excellent career and made a slew of money. But he has made all of the wrong moves, greatly diminishing his value and the respect people once had for him. These moves may define his career if he doesn't change his mindset soon and also get some good, professional representation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 36 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: I agree with him as far as Mahomes goes. That man at that time only losses in the playoffs were to Brady. He could have gotten a lot more if he wanted to, maybe he like Allen saw how BIG deals hurt the team.. look at Rogers, always got top tier deals but has won 1 SB and the Packers always under perform in the playoffs. While Brady took less and constantly was in the SB and championship games. That likely was a large part of why they accepted those contracts. They realize they’re competing against each other and they’ll need that extra lineman, wr, etc. They’re also aware that winning gets endorsement cash. Heck, Montana still gets endorsements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 4/1/2023 at 12:21 AM, NyQuil said: Bulldog was really high on Jackson and want the Bills to draft him back in 2018 so he's always been pro Jackson. Its getting pretty bad though with how he keeps defending him and calling out teams for not wanting to talk to him. I think a little bit of it has to do with the sunk cost fallacy. He's spent so much time being a fan that he just can't be objective. It's hard to say "I was wrong." One thing that drives me mad whether if its Bulldog or other pundits is how they throw around that he is an MVP but never mention that it was four years ago and he hasn't finished that last two seasons. They also never bring up his 1-3 playoff record. A lot of pundits who want industry cred tend to overlook that hard reality of a market every time a player is on the market. I'm actually surprised no one has yet claimed that owners have colluded with each other to make sure another large pay-out for a QB does not happen. Or maybe it has and I missed that. I'd also expect owners to see that there are significant headwinds economically happening in the US right now and to balance a large expenditure, even at QB, against that consideration. An outlay of 200M guaranteed is not the kind of financial decision a NFL team is going to take right now and especially not for someone who's had those injuries as you alluded to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 40 minutes ago, BillsVet said: A lot of pundits who want industry cred tend to overlook that hard reality of a market every time a player is on the market. I'm actually surprised no one has yet claimed that owners have colluded with each other to make sure another large pay-out for a QB does not happen. Or maybe it has and I missed that. I'd also expect owners to see that there are significant headwinds economically happening in the US right now and to balance a large expenditure, even at QB, against that consideration. An outlay of 200M guaranteed is not the kind of financial decision a NFL team is going to take right now and especially not for someone who's had those injuries as you alluded to. I've seen quite a few people make that claim. 31 people deciding they don't want to eat a ***** sandwich just because Cleveland likes their steamers doesn't mean it's collusion. It's just common sense. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 3/30/2023 at 1:50 PM, Southern_Bills said: It's 63,977,000 the next 3 years, good luck fielding a team lol. His contract is set up so it can be restructured on a yearly basis. It clears about $30M against the cap each season to do so. They will simply continue to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 (edited) On 3/28/2023 at 10:52 AM, DrDawkinstein said: Pretty straight forward. His $$$ "demands" are shooting himself in the foot. He could and should be sitting on a $20M Signing Bonus, and ~$150 guaranteed contract already, enjoying his offseason in South Florida. But I am surprised the Atlanta Falcons haven't jumped on this yet. They have the cash, picks, and motivation. This is the first time I've heard of any concerns regarding habits/training. If sleep habits and nutrition are concerns now then either that gets fixed or once he gets a few years older his body will just fall apart due to his demanding (on the body) style of play. You can get away with stuff when you're younger that you can't once you add a few years. Brady haunted us for as long as he did precisely because of that type of stuff, taken to an insane level of dedication and commitment. Even he started off not being anywhere near as disciplined though, and he's talked about that. So Lamar can always start the avocado smoothies and yoga but he's really costing himself here. Edited April 3 by TheFunPolice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 3/31/2023 at 11:21 PM, NyQuil said: Bulldog was really high on Jackson and want the Bills to draft him back in 2018 so he's always been pro Jackson. Its getting pretty bad though with how he keeps defending him and calling out teams for not wanting to talk to him. I think a little bit of it has to do with the sunk cost fallacy. He's spent so much time being a fan that he just can't be objective. It's hard to say "I was wrong." One thing that drives me mad whether if its Bulldog or other pundits is how they throw around that he is an MVP but never mention that it was four years ago and he hasn't finished that last two seasons. They also never bring up his 1-3 playoff record. as a middle of the first round pick, it’s hard to say anyone singing his praises was “wrong.” Objectively he’s been a great pick even with headaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Sorry but questioning someone's sleep habits and nutrition is speaking ill of their character Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Sorry but questioning someone's sleep habits and nutrition is speaking ill of their character I dunno about that. You can be a taco-eating night owl and still be an excellent human being. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, yall said: I dunno about that. You can be a taco-eating night owl and still be an excellent human being. Character as it relates to doing his job to the best of his ability in order to get paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 21 minutes ago, NoSaint said: as a middle of the first round pick, it’s hard to say anyone singing his praises was “wrong.” Objectively he’s been a great pick even with headaches. He was picked 32nd overall. Last pick in the 1st rd. 3 hours ago, Mister Defense said: Very disturbing how dumb Jackson is being about almost all related to his new contract, from his initial decision to not get a real agent, to his unreasonable demands, to his most recent tweet. While I do not think it is likely he would have been be a QB consistently leading a team to contend for a championship, he could have had an excellent career and made a slew of money. But he has made all of the wrong moves, greatly diminishing his value and the respect people once had for him. These moves may define his career if he doesn't change his mindset soon and also get some good, professional representation. Just wait until he’s black balled and not signed and then he starts to claim all his bad decisions on CTE 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyo321 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Lamar has done everything in the book wrong. No team is going to deal with him now because he does not have an agent, and no GM or coach is going to want to hear a guy like this plead his case when he is shooting for completely unrealistic and over inflated contract numbers $ wise. Just like Lamer himself. He is is tooting his own horn and is so full of himself. He is a choke artist and IMO not even not a top 10 QB in this league. I absolutely hate every sports show and analyst out there that says pay the man. Pay him for what? He is average at best compared to his competing QB talent on other teams. He won a MVP, whoop dee doo, that is all this guy has done. His MVP year personally was nothing to write home about. He only received it because he ran all over the place that year. If he is "SO GREAT" why did the lose in the Divisional playoffs to the Titans. Lamar Jackson had a passer rating of 63.2 with 365 yards, 1 touchdown and 2 interceptions in 1 game against the Titans in the 2019 playoffs. As a matter of fact he has never had over a 74 QB passer rating in any playoff gave he has ever started. Yeah these type of playoff stats and performances warrants the highest guaranteed QB money ever!! LOL, smoke some more........ He played like crap in all the playoff games he started, and hasn't done anything in the playoffs for his team, accept for losing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 On 4/1/2023 at 12:21 AM, NyQuil said: Bulldog was really high on Jackson and want the Bills to draft him back in 2018 so he's always been pro Jackson. Its getting pretty bad though with how he keeps defending him and calling out teams for not wanting to talk to him. I think a little bit of it has to do with the sunk cost fallacy. He's spent so much time being a fan that he just can't be objective. It's hard to say "I was wrong." One thing that drives me mad whether if its Bulldog or other pundits is how they throw around that he is an MVP but never mention that it was four years ago and he hasn't finished that last two seasons. They also never bring up his 1-3 playoff record. I mean he’s a 26 year old former MVP, Heisman winner, who has basically a 100 qb rating, who is the best rushing qb ever and has a 45-16 record, who is struggling to get a deal signed. This never happens. Scrub qbs get paid all the time. Daniel Jines is getting $40 million after throwing 15 td passes. obviously there are a lot of valid reasons why this has been a tough negotiation. But to act like there are other reasons that makes people question things is valid too. He was called a rb (and still is by some fans) after an amazing college career. He got drafted behind garbage qbs. Everything he does good gets discounted. I get both sides but with dudes like Wentz, Goff, Jones, Murray, etc get paid, it’s weird that a guy with such a better resume doesn’t. And I get the reasons but Jackson has been disrespect since he entered the nfl. 13 minutes ago, Toyo321 said: Lamar has done everything in the book wrong. No team is going to deal with him now because he does not have an agent, and no GM or coach is going to want to hear a guy like this plead his case when he is shooting for completely unrealistic and over inflated contract numbers $ wise. Just like Lamer himself. He is is tooting his own horn and is so full of himself. He is a choke artist and IMO not even not a top 10 QB in this league. I absolutely hate every sports show and analyst out there that says pay the man. Pay him for what? He is average at best compared to his competing QB talent on other teams. He won a MVP, whoop dee doo, that is all this guy has done. His MVP year personally was nothing to write home about. He only received it because he ran all over the place that year. If he is "SO GREAT" why did the lose in the Divisional playoffs to the Titans. Lamar Jackson had a passer rating of 63.2 with 365 yards, 1 touchdown and 2 interceptions in 1 game against the Titans in the 2019 playoffs. As a matter of fact he has never had over a 74 QB passer rating in any playoff gave he has ever started. Yeah these type of playoff stats and performances warrants the highest guaranteed QB money ever!! LOL, smoke some more........ He played like crap in all the playoff games he started, and hasn't done anything in the playoffs for his team, accept for losing. He’s 26 and you yadda yadda a mvp. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 2 hours ago, NoSaint said: as a middle of the first round pick, it’s hard to say anyone singing his praises was “wrong.” Objectively he’s been a great pick even with headaches. Wasn’t he the last pick of the first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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