bobobonators Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 3 hours ago, MJS said: Shakir is not a speedster. He is a 5th round draft pick. Maybe he develops, maybe not. We need proven players or high draft picks. 3 hours ago, FireChans said: Shakir has 10 catches in his career. The fifth rounder from Boise is who we are relying on? Diggs was drafted in the 5th round. Tyreek Hill was drafted in the 5th round. Kittle was drafted in the 5th round. Just off the top of my head. who cares when he was drafted. He was drafted by us for a reason. Didnt Shakir have the most receiving yards for us this post season? If he didn’t he was pretty damn close. Whats the point in drafting players and they trying to draft their replacement next season? Im not saying we don’t need another WR. But Shakir shouldn’t be overlooked. Davis has done enough to warrant at least one more season before we discard him. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 22 minutes ago, bobobonators said: Diggs was drafted in the 5th round. Tyreek Hill was drafted in the 5th round. Kittle was drafted in the 5th round. Just off the top of my head. who cares when he was drafted. He was drafted by us for a reason. Didnt Shakir have the most receiving yards for us this post season? If he didn’t he was pretty damn close. Whats the point in drafting players and they trying to draft their replacement next season? Im not saying we don’t need another WR. But Shakir shouldn’t be overlooked. Davis has done enough to warrant at least one more season before we discard him. Not in the mood to spend $ on an older WR regardless. Trade or UFA a young guy on the cheap that fits the mold of Bills need. Which is speed and hands. Not worried about slot this season. Hel you might move Davis into the slot on occasion ? Get one or two young guns who can run outside and have upside with route trees. Where matters not to me. Hope the New WRs Coach can improve what we already have significantly as well. Evan sis a good player and guy. But we missed that window 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 32 minutes ago, bobobonators said: Diggs was drafted in the 5th round. Tyreek Hill was drafted in the 5th round. Kittle was drafted in the 5th round. Just off the top of my head. who cares when he was drafted. He was drafted by us for a reason. Didnt Shakir have the most receiving yards for us this post season? If he didn’t he was pretty damn close. Whats the point in drafting players and they trying to draft their replacement next season? Im not saying we don’t need another WR. But Shakir shouldn’t be overlooked. Davis has done enough to warrant at least one more season before we discard him. They are the exceptions, not the rule. Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round. Does that mean we should bank on a 6th round QB? Go bring in some talent. If Shakir is good, he will be the cream that rises to the top. If not, oh well. He was a 5th round pick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 26, 2023 Author Share Posted February 26, 2023 34 minutes ago, bobobonators said: Diggs was drafted in the 5th round. Tyreek Hill was drafted in the 5th round. Kittle was drafted in the 5th round. Just off the top of my head. who cares when he was drafted. He was drafted by us for a reason. Didnt Shakir have the most receiving yards for us this post season? If he didn’t he was pretty damn close. Whats the point in drafting players and they trying to draft their replacement next season? Im not saying we don’t need another WR. But Shakir shouldn’t be overlooked. Davis has done enough to warrant at least one more season before we discard him. So Shakir is Diggs/Hill/Kittle? that’s your take? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: I'd say if he doesn't get a new contract before UFA opens in a few weeks..........that would be a red flag about his desire to play a lot longer. 29 year old 1,000 yard receivers don't go into walk years anymore. They know their value. The Bucs are in a massive salary crunch between the debt and the free agent talent............it should be a no brainer to extend him for 5 more years and push that debt down the road. I get what you’re saying. Just seems unlikely that a guy in that situation would decide to spend a year in Buffalo. He’s played his entire career in Tampa and went to school in Texas. If he’s really a year from retirement, he’s not going to Western NY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 3:55 PM, Victory Formation said: He was smart in terms of role players and system fits. He was also smart when it came to paying the right players. a decade ago, he’s been ass for a while now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Why bring in a player who has issues with dropped passes to help a team that has issues with dropped passes? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 Would have been nice to have just picked him instead of trading up for Sammy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Billl said: I get what you’re saying. Just seems unlikely that a guy in that situation would decide to spend a year in Buffalo. He’s played his entire career in Tampa and went to school in Texas. If he’s really a year from retirement, he’s not going to Western NY. Like I said........he's a hard read. But if you do want to be in SB contention and play with one of the top 3 QB's in the league.........your options are very limited. If you want to expand that field with top QB's but with bad defense's, losing culture's or run-first offense's.........that opens up the field. My guess is he re-signs for 5 years with Tampa before UFA so they can get his cap figure down and he goes back to winning 6-7 games per season over the next 3 years.......like pre-Brady.......and calls it a career as a Buc. Edited February 26, 2023 by BADOLBILZ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 4:28 PM, Big Turk said: How many times do I have to tell people that winning teams don't allocate huge cap dollars to WR2? we are talking about having two #1 receivers, and Evans would be making less than the current going rate for a #2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 2 hours ago, FireChans said: So Shakir is Diggs/Hill/Kittle? that’s your take? You never know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said: we are talking about having two #1 receivers, and Evans would be making less than the current going rate for a #2 No he wouldn't cause the going rate is a player drafted on a rookie contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 On 2/17/2023 at 3:48 PM, GolfandBills said: Were you seeing this at? Everything I’ve seen says the team takes on full contract terms with a trade. No. In short the team trading away the player is on the hook for all signing bonuses and many other bonuses. This includes voidable years (stretching cap hit over years a player no longer plays). Those get escalated and become payable immediately. The team acquiring the player is only on the hook for the base salary. as scheduled in the contract for each year. Evans is $13 million for one year (2023). He is a FA in 2024. I personally have 0 interest in a 30 yr old, 1 year rental at $13 million. He is a good WR, but is not 'all in' each play, and has plenty of mental lapses the past two seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 5 hours ago, DCofNC said: Would have been nice to have just picked him instead of trading up for Sammy. Agree. But with EJ and Tyrod throwing to him, he would have left after his first contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 10 hours ago, Billl said: If he was considering retirement, wouldn’t he do it before uprooting to Buffalo for a year? I don’t blame him if he is looking to cash a big check before retiring. Also, he’s maybe a fringe HOFer right now? One more 1,000 yard 12+ TD season maybe he is a lock? That big check won’t come from Buffalo though. Don’t think we have the cap room. And we need a more longterm solution anyways. as some others have mentioned Chark could be the guy worth taking a gamble on. The talent looks to be there. Injury history could bring the price down to an affordable level. And he is young enough that his best years could still be ahead for him. My guess though is that the Bills try and overhaul the “x”s and “o”s rather than the Jimmy’s and the Joe’s at the skill positions. I think we see personnel investments in the o-line. Move Diggs to the slot? Have Shakir as the number one outside receiver? Gabe thrives as the #4 option behind Diggs, Shakir, and Knox? Get the running backs involved more. In the above scenario Diggs is still the main wr going over 100 receptions and 1200 yards. Shakir, Knox and Davis all come in around 60-70 receptions and 650-900 yards. We are paying Knox top 10 tight end money I think. So they will change the play calling to get him involved. Still not sold on Knox though personally. They will run it back with Diggs, Davis and Shakir. McKenzie will be gone. Crowder could be back if he is willing to play for close to the minimum. My guess is Beasley finally retires. Same for Brown. It will be interesting to see where McKenzie ends up if the Bills do move on from him. There is talent there for sure. We’re the Bills just using it wrong or is he just too inconsistent and unreliable? Would love to see what KC could do with him. That would really tell us if it was the Bills /Allen miss use of him or if it’s more on McKenzie himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 26 minutes ago, chongli said: Agree. But with EJ and Tyrod throwing to him, he would have left after his first contract. It actually would’ve been interesting to see what Sammy Watkins would’ve looked like with Josh Allen Sometimes it’s all about fit 26 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: I don’t blame him if he is looking to cash a big check before retiring. Also, he’s maybe a fringe HOFer right now? One more 1,000 yard 12+ TD season maybe he is a lock? That big check won’t come from Buffalo though. Don’t think we have the cap room. And we need a more longterm solution anyways. as some others have mentioned Chark could be the guy worth taking a gamble on. The talent looks to be there. Injury history could bring the price down to an affordable level. And he is young enough that his best years could still be ahead for him. My guess though is that the Bills try and overhaul the “x”s and “o”s rather than the Jimmy’s and the Joe’s at the skill positions. I think we see personnel investments in the o-line. Move Diggs to the slot? Have Shakir as the number one outside receiver? Gabe thrives as the #4 option behind Diggs, Shakir, and Knox? Get the running backs involved more. In the above scenario Diggs is still the main wr going over 100 receptions and 1200 yards. Shakir, Knox and Davis all come in around 60-70 receptions and 650-900 yards. We are paying Knox top 10 tight end money I think. So they will change the play calling to get him involved. Still not sold on Knox though personally. They will run it back with Diggs, Davis and Shakir. McKenzie will be gone. Crowder could be back if he is willing to play for close to the minimum. My guess is Beasley finally retires. Same for Brown. It will be interesting to see where McKenzie ends up if the Bills do move on from him. There is talent there for sure. We’re the Bills just using it wrong or is he just too inconsistent and unreliable? Would love to see what KC could do with him. That would really tell us if it was the Bills /Allen miss use of him or if it’s more on McKenzie himself. Somewhere in there they will either be a veteran wide receiver or a draft pick to push Gabe Davis. I fully believe that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: It actually would’ve been interesting to see what Sammy Watkins would’ve looked like with Josh Allen Sometimes it’s all about fit Somewhere in there they will either be a veteran wide receiver or a draft pick to push Gabe Davis. I fully believe that. it’s all about the X’s and O’s . In this scenario Gabe is the 4th option in terms of target volume. Possibly even 5th should Cook become a significant target option. A teams success should not rely on whether or not we had a player on the roster to push our 4th receiving option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: it’s all about the X’s and O’s . In this scenario Gabe is the 4th option in terms of target volume. Possibly even 5th should Cook become a significant target option. A teams success should not rely on whether or not we had a player on the roster to push our 4th receiving option. Would love to have had Sanders before he was washed. I really think that if we had him for a few years him diggs and Davis would’ve really been some thing. Oh well get another veteran What I don’t want to have happen, is go end of the season with a situation where Gabe Davis is not being pushed Competition is a good thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 I’d like to see Bills WR depth chart: 1-Diggs 2-veteran upgrade over Gabe, a 1B ideally 3-speedy rookie drafted top 100 slot- Shakir 5-Gabe Mike Evans would be great for us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 On 2/18/2023 at 5:40 AM, FireChans said: The Bucs are tanking. They are taking a $35M cap hit on the chin for Brady next season. Mike Evans will be 30 next year. Last year of his contract. A pre 6/1 trade costs them a massive cap penalty, 21M, with only 2M in savings. Post 6/1, they save $14M and spread it over two seasons. What does a 30 year old WR without a contract go for on a team that is about to have 2-3 years of pain? A second and a fourth? That's not the problem. The problem is the $14.5M cap hit this year on a guy who you don't want to extend too much. And Evans will want a major extension, one he could get somewhere, whether as an extension or a new contract. I could see it, and if he were a couple of years younger, it'd be a no-brainer. But he's not younger. Draft someone. And maybe bring in a more reasonable FA on top of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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