Billsflyer12 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 (edited) Having a defensive head coach in a offensive/QB era is a real problem in 2 ways. 1). Continuity on offense. If OC is good he is hired elsewhere, if OC is bad he is eventually fired. Hired or fired is bad for QB and offensive consistency. The QB and a OC Head Coach is the stability in this current young gun QB era that works the best. 7 of final 8 in this year’s playoffs were this setup. 2). HOF QB Steve Young talked about this recently and it was fascinating. Basically he said having a defensive coach as head coach was a problem for the offense because his natural or maybe even unconscious traits are to make decisions that protect their defense. I had never thought of it like this. For me in playoffs you definitely see McDermott defaulting to this thinking, much to the detriment of the offense and team in general. His game management decisions, either punt/go, FG/go or timeouts for example lean heavily toward protecting the defense. His natural instincts in pressure moments are to trust a stop more than trust Josh to get 2 or 6 yds on 4th. Sean is a good coach and likely a better man. It’s just how he fits into this era and with how our team is built. Edited February 11, 2023 by Billsflyer12 7 1 3 8 15 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 hear me out... 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 He was a good coach for a team that was routinely 7-9 and "in the hunt." He pushed us over that hump. He did his job. If this is the only coach Josh plays for then I think it will be a huge waste of talent during these prime years 2 4 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 What is wrong with you people? 13-3 with the #2 offense, #2 defense points allowed, #6 in yards allowed after being riddled by injures not good enough? So, the team lost in the playoffs...get over it already! 15 1 4 1 2 4 8 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 People used to think of Reid the same way some talk about McD now. Philly fans couldn't wait to get him out of town at a certain point. Could coach a great regular season, but couldn't win "when it counted." He's obviously a good coach. If fans want to hold out for a "great" one, we might be waiting decades. 3 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: What is wrong with you people? 13-3 with the #2 offense, #2 defense points allowed, #6 in yards allowed after being riddled by injures not good enough? So, the team lost in the playoffs...get over it already! Got smoked. But who's counting 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, Success said: People used to think of Reid the same way some talk about McD now. Philly fans couldn't wait to get him out of town at a certain point. Could coach a great regular season, but couldn't win "when it counted." He's obviously a good coach. If fans want to hold out for a "great" one, we might be waiting decades. Because he was put into a different organization/locker room/new players. You can be a great coach and your time still can run out with your current team. Year 7 coming up. 4 straight horrible playoff exits. At some point your locker room starts saying things like “it’s been 3 years….” 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 11 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: What is wrong with you people? 13-3 with the #2 offense, #2 defense points allowed, #6 in yards allowed after being riddled by injures not good enough? So, the team lost in the playoffs...get over it already! Did you post this last year? 2020? 2019? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, Success said: People used to think of Reid the same way some talk about McD now. Philly fans couldn't wait to get him out of town at a certain point. Could coach a great regular season, but couldn't win "when it counted." He's obviously a good coach. If fans want to hold out for a "great" one, we might be waiting decades. Yeah Reid was 1-5 in conference championship games(and 0-1 in SB) and an incredible choker and clock botcher before the Chiefs won a SB with him. His status as a legendary offensive mind is a bit overblown too. He had a season in KC where a WR didn't catch a TD pass all season. He's just a very good HC and things finally came together for him and he has the league's best QB. I think McD is a very good HC as well. 8 3 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said: His natural instincts in pressure moments are to trust a stop more than trust Josh to get 2 or 6 yds on 4th. If the above is true then why did he elect to go for it on 4th down 4 times against KC in the playoffs last year? He went for it on 4th down from the 50 on the opening drive of the game and again later in the drive on 4th and goal. He went for it on 4th down twice again on our 2nd to last td drive in the 4th. He also went for it on 4th down against KC on the opening drive of their playoff game the year prior and once again it was near midfield at KCs 48. He's 6/6 against KC on 4th down in their last 2 playoff games. He could've punted or kicked fgs in any of those situations and trusted his defense, but he didn't, he trusted Josh would get the 1st down/td. Edited February 11, 2023 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 28 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: What is wrong with you people? 13-3 with the #2 offense, #2 defense points allowed, #6 in yards allowed after being riddled by injures not good enough? So, the team lost in the playoffs...get over it already! No, we aren't going to get over it. 4 straight years in the playoffs, 4 straight defensive meltdowns. Getting to the playoffs isn't good enough anymore, it's Super Bowl or Bust time, and McDermott isn't the guy to get us there. Step your game up 4 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 22 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: What is wrong with you people? 13-3 with the #2 offense, #2 defense points allowed, #6 in yards allowed after being riddled by injures not good enough? So, the team lost in the playoffs...get over it already! problem I have was promoting dorsey instead of bringing in a legit OC. it set the offense back. it was not time for learning on the job. also, frasier has/had his limitations although I feel had the injuries not occurred the defense would of been able to preform a hell of a lot better. trying to piece it together with 2nd and 3rd stringers was its demise. getting to the playoffs just to get there doesn't say much. every player, coach and most fans know that that is not the ultimate goal. the goal is to win it all and at this point, unless serious changes are made in the offseason as well as getting back 40, 27 and 23 back to healthy, that ultimate goal wont be reached. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 (edited) Agree completely with the OP. Even more frustrating hearing how “it’s tough to win” or “the playoffs are a crapshoot”. Ok… New England lived in the Super Bowl with Brady. KC has been there 3 of the last 4 years. The Bengals, relative newcomers, 2 years in a row in the AFC Championship Game. McDermott should get one more year to get us, at least, back to the AFC Championship Game. If not, and even depending on how that game goes - should we not advance to the SB, discussions of moving on from him need to be had. Edited February 11, 2023 by SCBills 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 12 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah Reid was 1-5 in conference championship games(and 0-1 in SB) and an incredible choker and clock botcher before the Chiefs won a SB with him. His status as a legendary offensive mind is a bit overblown too. He had a season in KC where a WR didn't catch a TD pass all season. He's just a very good HC and things finally came together for him and he has the league's best QB. I think McD is a very good HC as well. I think Reid was limited by McNabb in Philly, yes he was a good QB but nowhere near the level of Mahomes and Allen 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 52 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said: Having a defensive head coach in a offensive/QB era is a real problem in 2 ways. 1). Continuity on offense. If OC is good he is hired elsewhere, if OC is bad he is eventually fired. Hired or fired is bad for QB and offensive consistency. The QB and a OC Head Coach is the stability in this current young gun QB era that works the best. 7 of final 8 in this year’s playoffs were this setup. 2). HOF QB Steve Young talked about this recently and it was fascinating. Basically he said having a defensive coach as head coach was a problem for the offense because his natural or maybe even unconscious traits are to make decisions that protect their defense. I had never thought of it like this. For me in playoffs you definitely see McDermott defaulting to this thinking, much to the detriment of the offense and team in general. His game management decisions, either punt/go, FG/go or timeouts for example lean heavily toward protecting the defense. His natural instincts in pressure moments are to trust a stop more than trust Josh to get 2 or 6 yds on 4th. Sean is a good coach and likely a better man. It’s just how he fits into this era and with how our team is built. Defensive coach and HOF QB worked pretty well in New England. 5 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 Another 'McD is bad!' thread? Dick Enberg and George Takei both say "Oh, my!" 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Another 'McD is bad!' thread? Dick Enberg and George Takei both say "Oh, my!" The title literally say he’s not a bad coach. I think a lot of people (unfortunately it sounds like some key players are to) are starting to come to the realization that this regime’s time could be fast approaching an end - as someone said it may have plateaued. I’m not sure what evidence they have but I think it’s there - as we watch other teams start to pass us by in roster talent and playoff success - and that isn’t limited to the AFC either. At least Lindy Ruff had been to a Stanley Cup - but this team could start to look like the Sabres circa 2002-2012 real quick. That team had at least 2 “this should have been the year” seasons. The 05-06 Sabres were the 13 Seconds Bills but at least they lost solely to running out of defensemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Nihilarian said: What is wrong with you people? 13-3 with the #2 offense, #2 defense points allowed, #6 in yards allowed after being riddled by injures not good enough? So, the team lost in the playoffs...get over it already! You’re right, it’s good enough! What’s the point of all this anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 He made a big mistake hiring a rookie OC. Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs in their prime deserve better. A sixteen year old driver doesn't start with a Ferrari. As a defensive minded head coach McDermott needs an experienced OC that he can mostly leave alone. It felt like they never really considered outside candidates. Dorsey "earned it the right way" so here's the keys to your Ferrari young man. I never got the sense that Dorsey was connecting plays together and he did a poor job keeping his star players under control. That's where his inexperience became a problem. And yes McDermott has to own that mistake. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, HappyDays said: He made a big mistake hiring a rookie OC. Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs in their prime deserve better. A sixteen year old driver doesn't start with a Ferrari. As a defensive minded head coach McDermott needs an experienced OC that he can mostly leave alone. It felt like they never really considered outside candidates. Dorsey "earned it the right way" so here's the keys to your Ferrari young man. I never got the sense that Dorsey was connecting plays together and he did a poor job keeping his star players under control. That's where his inexperience became a problem. And yes McDermott has to own that mistake. It's probably naïve to think McD didn't consult with Allen about who he wanted and Allen himself said he wanted Dorsey so can you really blame him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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