Hypothetical Rule Question

[thewookie1]

So on the infamous play at the end of the Vikings game; with us literally on the inch line, is there any rule against us trying to get a hard count to draw them offside and just take the delay of game. Obviously they can’t push us any further back and we know they would be looking to force the safety. 
 

So would that be allowed?

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

  On 11/29/2022 at 12:22 AM, thewookie1 said:

So on the infamous play at the end of the Vikings game; with us literally on the inch line, is there any rule against us trying to get a hard count to draw them offside and just take the delay of game. Obviously they can’t push us any further back and we know they would be looking to force the safety. 
 

So would that be allowed?

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Absolutely allowed. Good idea.

 

I keep re-living that play in my mind. Wish we had been aggressive, spread them out, and threw it out of the endzone. 

[Doc]

I wish Josh had hard-counted to draw them off-sides.  But most of all, I wish the snap had been good.

[HOUSE]

Would rather talk about Trumaine Edmunds 

[ArtVandalay]

  On 11/29/2022 at 12:25 AM, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Absolutely allowed. Good idea.

 

I keep re-living that play in my mind. Wish we had been aggressive, spread them out, and threw it out of the endzone. 

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Min had a TO and you could take a stoppage... even if you had an incomplete you could still run the clock with 3 downs.  they would have had to sneak a 2nd time too if the first worked. Plus they sold out and let them know they were sneaking PLUS they tipped the snap with Gabe's motion It was a stupid stupid call and blew up in their face. Just horrific end game stay strategy/ management,  yet again. 

Edited November 29, 2022 by ArtVandalay

[NoSaint]

  On 11/29/2022 at 12:22 AM, thewookie1 said:

So on the infamous play at the end of the Vikings game; with us literally on the inch line, is there any rule against us trying to get a hard count to draw them offside and just take the delay of game. Obviously they can’t push us any further back and we know they would be looking to force the safety. 
 

So would that be allowed?

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do it like 6 times and then fast count to catch them off guard 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

  On 11/29/2022 at 12:22 AM, thewookie1 said:

So on the infamous play at the end of the Vikings game; with us literally on the inch line, is there any rule against us trying to get a hard count to draw them offside and just take the delay of game. Obviously they can’t push us any further back and we know they would be looking to force the safety. 
 

So would that be allowed?

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i agree this would have been a good thing to. Penalty would have been an inch. Hell might have even been worth trying a couple times. 

[Einstein]

  On 11/29/2022 at 12:25 AM, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Absolutely allowed. Good idea.

 

I keep re-living that play in my mind. Wish we had been aggressive, spread them out, and threw it out of the endzone. 

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This is the way.

[Big Turk]

  On 11/29/2022 at 12:22 AM, thewookie1 said:

So on the infamous play at the end of the Vikings game; with us literally on the inch line, is there any rule against us trying to get a hard count to draw them offside and just take the delay of game. Obviously they can’t push us any further back and we know they would be looking to force the safety. 
 

So would that be allowed?

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No, why would it be? It's like any other situation. Now if they tried this over and over again then you might get into a situation where they penalize you for it but realistically you can't really move back any father at a certain point.

[Einstein]

  On 11/29/2022 at 12:54 AM, NoSaint said:

do it like 6 times and then fast count to catch them off guard 

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People will laugh at this but it’s a good idea. The type of creativity we don’t seem to have.

 

 

[mikemac2001]

 

we could have done a thousand of diff things it was a weird fluke and I am sure teams will all have this scenario practiced and broken down going forward 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

  On 11/29/2022 at 12:22 AM, thewookie1 said:

So on the infamous play at the end of the Vikings game; with us literally on the inch line, is there any rule against us trying to get a hard count to draw them offside and just take the delay of game. Obviously they can’t push us any further back and we know they would be looking to force the safety. 
 

So would that be allowed?

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A rule I always felt is somewhat unfair.  Or the Bills could have maybe flinched just a small amount, take a chance it's not seen by officials and gain 5 yards again for off sides.  Maybe the lineman moves his back hand or something less easy to see by refs?

 

Take the opposite situation too, team is driving on like the 18 inch line. 2nd and goal.  Why not try and jump the snap count.  Worse that happens is you lose 9 inches. But maybe instead gets offense to flinch first and now push them back 5 yard for procedure.

[Big Turk]

  On 11/29/2022 at 3:04 AM, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

A rule I always felt is somewhat unfair.  Or the Bills could have maybe flinched just a small amount, take a chance it's not seen by officials and gain 5 yards again for off sides.  Maybe the lineman moves his back hand or something less easy to see by refs?

 

Take the opposite situation too, team is driving on like the 18 inch line. 2nd and goal.  Why not try and jump the snap count.  Worse that happens is you lose 9 inches. But maybe instead gets offense to flinch first and now push them back 5 yard for procedure.

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Phillips has done this a few times this year actually.

[pennstate10]

  On 11/29/2022 at 12:54 AM, NoSaint said:

do it like 6 times and then fast count to catch them off guard 

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Actually, I think they could have done that an infinite number of times. After a few times, I guess the officials could have started calling unsportsmanlike conduct penalties and begin kicking players out of the game for having two unsportsmanlike calls. 
 

But the offense only needs one Offside penalty and the game would be over. 
 

if it was the Pats I think that’s exactly what they would have done. 
 

And instead of a fumble, we’d be hearing how smart Bellichek was, and how well he understood the rule book.

[Jauronimo]

  On 11/29/2022 at 12:26 AM, Doc said:

I wish Josh had hard-counted to draw them off-sides.  But most of all, I wish the snap had been good.

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Snap was good.  The handle was the issue.

[LABILLBACKER]

  On 11/29/2022 at 12:25 AM, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Absolutely allowed. Good idea.

 

I keep re-living that play in my mind. Wish we had been aggressive, spread them out, and threw it out of the endzone. 

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Yup, Josh should've been in shotgun with a spread. Give him options to run, throw or roll out. Trying to get a clean behind center snap with the entire DL bunched was just asking for it. 

[Dan Darragh]

  On 11/29/2022 at 12:50 AM, ArtVandalay said:

Min had a TO and you could take a stoppage... even if you had an incomplete you could still run the clock with 3 downs.  they would have had to sneak a 2nd time too if the first worked. Plus they sold out and let them know they were sneaking PLUS they tipped the snap with Gabe's motion It was a stupid stupid call and blew up in their face. Just horrific end game stay strategy/ management,  yet again. 

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I wish you were our head coach.

 

For a week, preferably in the preseason.

[Freddie's Dead]

  On 11/29/2022 at 1:20 AM, Big Turk said:

 

No, why would it be? It's like any other situation. Now if they tried this over and over again then you might get into a situation where they penalize you for it but realistically you can't really move back any father at a certain point.

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Ever heard of the limit theorem?

[reddogblitz]

  On 11/29/2022 at 3:04 AM, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Take the opposite situation too, team is driving on like the 18 inch line. 2nd and goal.  Why not try and jump the snap count.  Worse that happens is you lose 9 inches. But maybe instead gets offense to flinch first and now push them back 5 yard for procedure.

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This is what I think teams should do when a team is taking a knee and there is enough time left for you to score and win if you could get the football back.  Kills me to see a team taking a knee at mid field with 1:30 to play up by 3 and the defensive team gives up. And a defensive off sides penalty would stop the clock.

[GunnerBill]

Or Josh coulda just held onto the ball?

 

It was on him. He didn't execute a simple part of the game in a pressure moment.