Success Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 I feel like this goes back to the Houston playoff game. The Bills seem to give up more 3rd and double-digit yards than any team I've seen. Note: this is not a scientific observation. There are probably stats for this, but I don't know where to find them. But man, does it seem like that's a bad down for us. I feel more confident when the other team has 3rd and 5 than 3rd and 14. What gives? Am I overreacting? 5 14 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Success said: I feel like this goes back to the Houston playoff game. The Bills seem to give up more 3rd and double-digit yards than any team I've seen. Note: this is not a scientific observation. There are probably stats for this, but I don't know where to find them. But man, does it seem like that's a bad down for us. I feel more confident when the other team has 3rd and 5 than 3rd and 14. What gives? Am I overreacting? No, it boggles the mind that a nickel-heavy defense gives up so many third/fourth and longs 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Success said: I feel like this goes back to the Houston playoff game. The Bills seem to give up more 3rd and double-digit yards than any team I've seen. Note: this is not a scientific observation. There are probably stats for this, but I don't know where to find them. But man, does it seem like that's a bad down for us. I feel more confident when the other team has 3rd and 5 than 3rd and 14. What gives? Am I overreacting? It’s truly maddening, especially in the past couple weeks. Im going to pin it on injuries to the defense, and that’s all. Our backup secondary is not excellent. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 What makes it worse is we are all yelling…. Double team Cooper, Double team Jefferson last week… play happens they go to Cooper or Jefferson and FIRST DOWN!!! FML!!! How??? How!??!!! 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Hyde not playing is the reason. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 TBH, the coverage is there and usually very tight. I chalk it up to just some really great throws lately, and some bad luck. On that Cooper TD, Johnson had his arm between Cooper and the ball and he is still caught it. What else is he supposed to do? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: TBH, the coverage is there and usually very tight. I chalk it up to just some really great throws lately, and some bad luck. On that Cooper TD, Johnson had his arm between Cooper and the ball and he is still caught it. What else is he supposed to do? I was kind of thinking that Johnson might throw a grenade at the receiver, thus eliminating any potential for YAC. Sure it's a felony outside of the game, but otherwise it's an ejection and a personal foul. Such is life in the NFL. HAHA! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, Success said: I feel like this goes back to the Houston playoff game. The Bills seem to give up more 3rd and double-digit yards than any team I've seen. Note: this is not a scientific observation. There are probably stats for this, but I don't know where to find them. But man, does it seem like that's a bad down for us. I feel more confident when the other team has 3rd and 5 than 3rd and 14. What gives? Am I overreacting? The only over-reaction is people overly using the term over- reaction. And yes we're giving up 3rd & 10+ way too often. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Success said: I feel like this goes back to the Houston playoff game. The Bills seem to give up more 3rd and double-digit yards than any team I've seen. Note: this is not a scientific observation. There are probably stats for this, but I don't know where to find them. But man, does it seem like that's a bad down for us. I feel more confident when the other team has 3rd and 5 than 3rd and 14. What gives? Am I overreacting? The Bills were really good on those usually up until this year when the rookies and injuries caught up to the secondary. Pass D has been not great and definitely not up to the #1 in the NFL standard it set for the last 5 years. 3 All Pros being out for large chunks of the season makes a big difference Edited November 21, 2022 by Big Turk 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 At the moment it is a specific problem linked to too many backup level players on the field in the secondary. Generally they have been a very good 3rd down defense. But they are struggling at the moment and it coincides with an injured secondary. I submit that is not a coincidence. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Teams have been throwing jump ball passes towards Dane and he hasn't adjusted to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 There have been a lot of circus catches against us the last two games (bad luck), and we've consistently been missing 3-4 players in the secondary all year. It wasn't an issue before. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Teams have been throwing jump ball passes towards Dane and he hasn't adjusted to it. Dane is consistently in good coverage but rarely makes a play on the ball. Getting his head turned would certainly help Edited November 21, 2022 by buffblue 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 1 minute ago, buffblue said: Dane is consistently in good coverage but never rarely makes a play on the ball. Getting his head turned would certainly help I'm not sure if coaching can help this, but certainly a viewing of the movie "The Exorcist" could be a guide. Talk about head on a swivel... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Our Zone DBs are too small and weak to win on jump balls against the size of NFL WRs nowadays. They get out-muscled every time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 It’s a lot of rush 4, 2 deep shell with 0 disguise. The bills actually blitzed a few times on 3rd and long in the 2nd half and guess what? It worked.. lol. Frazier needs to stop being so predictable/conservative, especially when the front 4 is getting minimal pass rush 4 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Frazier / McD can’t play that same conservative style without a lot of elite players. Time for them to do some real coaching and not just say “ here run my system”. They’re being far too rigid for the talent level. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Just now, BillsFan130 said: It’s a lot of rush 4, 2 deep shell with 0 disguise. The bills actually blitzed a few times on 3rd and long in the 2nd half and guess what? It worked.. lol. Frazier needs to stop being so predictable/conservative, especially when the front 4 is getting minimal pass rush They also blitzed a bunch in the first half and paid for it. 5 minutes ago, buffblue said: Dane is consistently in good coverage but rarely makes a play on the ball. Getting his head turned would certainly help The only way to be in position to get your head around is to win on the first 5 yards of the route; if you don't win the beginning, you can't win the end. And winning early on the corner is very difficult to do when your D is selling out to stop an opponent's ground attack and you have minimal help over the top. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Our Zone DBs are too small and weak to win on jump balls against the size of NFL WRs nowadays. They get out-muscled every time. Great point. Jackson gets bodied off the ball on almost every one on one situation. And Taron Johnson looked overmatched as well. I like T Johnson in run defense better then pass coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Someday Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 When the 4 man rush doesn’t get home in front of that zone D they usually convert. Our DBs need to turn around and play the ball at least a little. I’m guessing inexperience has something to do with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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