Will Kevin McCarthy Be The Speaker Of The House? Or Mitch Senate Majority Leader?

[ChiGoose]

Pretty apt summation:

 

"McCarthy and Crenshaw and their ilk convinced themselves that they could throw in with the world’s biggest grifter, tell lie after lie (after lie) to their own voters, campaign for a boat of shithouse rats so crazy that they make yesterday’s crazies blush—and at the end be rewarded with their loyal support.

 

Absurd.

 

Their time was going to come eventually. For My Kevin, it appears that time is today.

 

He woke up on the biggest day of his life knowing he’d lose 5 votes on the first ballot and thinking he could lose 9 more. Throw in a wild card and the worst case was 15 no votes, when he could only afford to lose 4.

 

What he found is that crazy begets crazy. Once the floodgates opened the 5 Never Kevin votes had ballooned to an unthinkable 19. And then the same 19 voted against him a second time.

 

These 19 anarchists don’t have any tangible policy objections to a McCarthy speakership and neither do they have a realistic alternative. Their goal—their only goal—was to fight for the sake of fighting and show their constituents they are just as mad at the “elites” as they are. Their only alternative, Jim Jordan, is the man who oversaw the committee that expressed its vision for the party as “Kanye. Elon. Trump.”

 

In other words: exactly the type of members that this party has cultivated for the past eight years.

 

Responsible Republicans who want to run a governing party will eventually have to come to terms with the fact that there is no appeasing or accommodating their leopards. That no amount of submission to the orange idol that will do. That they are either in the boat with the lunatics or out here on the shore with the cucks.

 

In the meantime, the votes and the claw marks will continue until morale improves."

(Source)

 

 

 

"I never thought leopards would eat MY face" sobs man running to lead the Leopards Eating Peoples' Faces Party

3 minutes ago, Albwan said:

Stupid questions over and over...ask the question when we are we going to replace all the republican

and democrat baddies and get back the government. Right now both parties suck *****.

 

Only way to do that is to end First Past the Post voting and destroy the two party system. Push for reforms like ranked choice voting or approval voting to destroy both the Democratic and Republican parties and save the country.

 

Any other proposed solution that doesn't end FPTP is a distraction.

[BillStime]

 

[JaCrispy]

[ChiGoose]

15 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

With Gaetz and Jordan supporting different candidates, the pedophile caucus seems to be split in this race. 

[BillsFanNC]

🎯 

 

 

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said:

🎯

 

 

Is Trump’s infrastructure bill still two weeks away?

 

Idiots 

[BillStime]

 

[Doc]

2 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

With Gaetz and Jordan supporting different candidates, the pedophile caucus seems to be split in this race. 

 

Yeah, Schiff supports Jeffries...

 

And apparently a proposal was made to McCarthy last night that would have gotten him the required votes.  He rejected it. 

[BillStime]

6 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

KEVIN CAN WAIT: 

 

McCarthy ends first day of speaker’s election on shaky ground.

 

It’s messy, and Democrats are mocking it. Of course, Democrats all voted in lockstep for the same guy. Maybe the GOP should tell them, “this is what democracy looks like.”  😆

 

Then again, the traditional approach would have been for McCarthy to meet quietly with the Freedom Caucus and promise them enough to win their votes. It seems like he could have done that quite easily — most of what the Freedom Caucus wants is popular with GOP voters generally. Is the problem that what the Freedom Caucus wants is unpopular with the GOP donor class? And, of course, it’s harder to make deals when there are “overriding trust issues.”

 

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/mccarthy-ends-first-day-speakers-election-shaky-ground

 

 

 

Nice to see the cult organized and ready to govern on day 1.

 

What a missed opportunity to kick off those Hunter Biden investigations right away.

 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

38 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

KEVIN CAN WAIT: 

 

McCarthy ends first day of speaker’s election on shaky ground.

 

It’s messy, and Democrats are mocking it. Of course, Democrats all voted in lockstep for the same guy. Maybe the GOP should tell them, “this is what democracy looks like.”  😆

 

Then again, the traditional approach would have been for McCarthy to meet quietly with the Freedom Caucus and promise them enough to win their votes. It seems like he could have done that quite easily — most of what the Freedom Caucus wants is popular with GOP voters generally. Is the problem that what the Freedom Caucus wants is unpopular with the GOP donor class? And, of course, it’s harder to make deals when there are “overriding trust issues.”

 

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/mccarthy-ends-first-day-speakers-election-shaky-ground

 

I think it's simpler than that. It's personal.  They don't like him.  You can see it on their faces.  Also, most of these members come from ruby red districts.  They're trying out MAGA the normal R's and get reelected.

 

 

[ChiGoose]

48 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

KEVIN CAN WAIT: 

 

McCarthy ends first day of speaker’s election on shaky ground.

 

It’s messy, and Democrats are mocking it. Of course, Democrats all voted in lockstep for the same guy. Maybe the GOP should tell them, “this is what democracy looks like.”  😆

 

Then again, the traditional approach would have been for McCarthy to meet quietly with the Freedom Caucus and promise them enough to win their votes. It seems like he could have done that quite easily — most of what the Freedom Caucus wants is popular with GOP voters generally. Is the problem that what the Freedom Caucus wants is unpopular with the GOP donor class? And, of course, it’s harder to make deals when there are “overriding trust issues.”

 

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/mccarthy-ends-first-day-speakers-election-shaky-ground

 

 

 

A strong leader would work across the caucus to inspire confidence and earn votes. 
 

Say what you will about Pelosi, she managed to get compromises with DemSocs and Blue Dogs. When they put a piece of legislation on the floor, nobody was getting everything they wanted but everyone felt they had been heard and their concerns were met. 
 

 Confusing that with a party just being in lock step following the leader is as weird as looking at what’s happening with the House GOP caucus and thinking it’s because of competent democracy. 

[BillStime]

On the verge?

 

[Andy1]

Well, it looks like we will have 2 years of chaos ahead if this is how republicans intend to govern. Those 19 Rs aren’t interested in governing; only in making chaos to show their supporters that they are the real fighters. They have no policy agenda. The crazies are holding the party hostage. Maybe we are watching the start of a split in the Republican Party towards the creation of a third party. 

[Big Blitz]

 

[The Frankish Reich]

4 hours ago, BillStime said:

Is Trump’s infrastructure bill still two weeks away?

 

Idiots 

Right after Trump's very excellent much much much better than Obamacare comprehensive health care plan

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, Andy1 said:

Well, it looks like we will have 2 years of chaos ahead if this is how republicans intend to govern. Those 19 Rs aren’t interested in governing; only in making chaos to show their supporters that they are the real fighters. They have no policy agenda. The crazies are holding the party hostage. Maybe we are watching the start of a split in the Republican Party towards the creation of a third party. 

Will never happen.  The closest third party challenger was Teddy Roosevelt who handed the presidency to Wilson by splitting the vote.  That's exactly what would happen again.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/utter-unmitigated-disaster-karl-rove-declares-gop-infighting-on-house-speaker-just-beginning-as-chaos-brings-about-more-chaos/

[Andy1]

48 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/utter-unmitigated-disaster-karl-rove-declares-gop-infighting-on-house-speaker-just-beginning-as-chaos-brings-about-more-chaos/

Interesting… sounds like they are fighting over who gets to control the investigation of the FBI. What a circus. Picture Paul Gosar leading an investigation of the FBI. This is the kind of craziness coming.

Edited January 4, 2023 by Andy1

[Tiberius]

What a mess!! 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

14 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

With Gaetz and Jordan supporting different candidates, the pedophile caucus seems to be split in this race. 

Holy smokes— add in Biden and his daughter’s diary, his acknowledgments on groping women, and the credible allegations of violent sexual assault, maybe we really are moving toward a one party system? 
 

 

 

9 hours ago, Andy1 said:

Well, it looks like we will have 2 years of chaos ahead if this is how republicans intend to govern. Those 19 Rs aren’t interested in governing; only in making chaos to show their supporters that they are the real fighters. They have no policy agenda. The crazies are holding the party hostage. Maybe we are watching the start of a split in the Republican Party towards the creation of a third party. 

Andy, glad to see you’re ok.  We had the brief exchange the other day about Republican’s treating Santos with the Biden model and then poof, you were gone.  
 

This is like the PPP version of “Castaway”.  
 

[cle23]

14 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

🎯

 

 

 

McConnell's Kentucky is one of the welfare capitals of the country.  Of course he is going to support another federally funded infrastructure project in his own state.  Kentucky receives 215% more federal funding than they pay in.  

 

This isn't some great "bipartisan" plan.  It's Kentucky with their hand out, like usual.

[SoCal Deek]

Not sure what the problem is here. This is what actual congressional negotiations look like. Has it been so long since we’ve seen them that nobody recognizes them anymore? Just two weeks ago you’all had your hair on fire because these same people were voting in lockstep for a multi-TRILLION dollar spending bill that none of them had read. Now we’re upset because they’re taking their time on an issue that’ll set the course for a two year agenda? Come on people! 

[BillsFanNC]

19 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

McConnell's Kentucky is one of the welfare capitals of the country.  Of course he is going to support another federally funded infrastructure project in his own state.  Kentucky receives 215% more federal funding than they pay in.  

 

This isn't some great "bipartisan" plan.  It's Kentucky with their hand out, like usual.

 

The post wasn't talking about politicians taking the opportunity to glad hand over pork barrel handouts regardless of party affiliation.

 

It asked for examples of other side of the aisle politicians, specifically senators, doing it with Trump.

 

Again, we'll wait.

Edited January 4, 2023 by BillsFanNC

[Joe Ferguson forever]

35 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

McConnell's Kentucky is one of the welfare capitals of the country.  Of course he is going to support another federally funded infrastructure project in his own state.  Kentucky receives 215% more federal funding than they pay in.  

 

This isn't some great "bipartisan" plan.  It's Kentucky with their hand out, like usual.

pretty much the entire red southern state voting block meets that criteria.  And they're the first to yell socialism when social programs that don't benefit them directly are proposed.

[cle23]

51 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

The post wasn't talking about politicians taking the opportunity to glad hand over pork barrel handouts regardless of party affiliation.

 

It asked for examples of other side of the aisle politicians, specifically senators, doing it with Trump.

 

Again, we'll wait.

 

First Step Act of 2018 is one for criminal justice changes.

 

And your criteria isn't necessarily showing great Republican "bipartisanship" as you seem to believe.  Trump was also as partisan as it gets, and tried to withhold emergency federal funding because it was to a Democratic state.  So it wasn't always Democrats refusing to work with him, though it obviously goes both ways there entirely too often.  

 

Both parties are garbage, everyone knows  they're garbage, yet we sit here and argue about whose garbage smells better.  And we draw lines over who has the best garbage while the parties are the same damn thing painted different colors.

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Not sure what the problem is here. This is what actual congressional negotiations look like. Has it been so long since we’ve seen them that nobody recognizes them anymore? Just two weeks ago you’all had your hair on fire because these same people were voting in lockstep for a multi-TRILLION dollar spending bill that none of them had read. Now we’re upset because they’re taking their time on an issue that’ll set the course for a two year agenda? Come on people! 

It shows the GOP can't even govern themselves, let alone make laws for the country. They are a disaster 

[BillsFanNC]

24 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

First Step Act of 2018 is one for criminal justice changes.

 

Which dem senator did Trump appear in public with to celebrate that one?

 

 

24 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

And your criteria isn't necessarily showing great Republican "bipartisanship" as you seem to believe.  Trump was also as partisan as it gets, and tried to withhold emergency federal funding because it was to a Democratic state.  So it wasn't always Democrats refusing to work with him, though it obviously goes both ways there entirely too often.  

 

Again the tweet that I posted and agreed with is specifically against bipartisanship.  Both parties suck.  One plays to win for the woke commie and the other plays to capitulate and apologize for how the woke commies characterize them.

 

I have no use for either one. 

 

 

Edited January 4, 2023 by BillsFanNC

[Joe Ferguson forever]

12 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

First Step Act of 2018 is one for criminal justice changes.

 

And your criteria isn't necessarily showing great Republican "bipartisanship" as you seem to believe.  Trump was also as partisan as it gets, and tried to withhold emergency federal funding because it was to a Democratic state.  So it wasn't always Democrats refusing to work with him, though it obviously goes both ways there entirely too often.  

 

Both parties are garbage, everyone knows  they're garbage, yet we sit here and argue about whose garbage smells better.  And we draw lines over who has the best garbage while the parties are the same damn thing painted different colors.

They aren’t even close to the same. The extreme of the D’s is Bernie. MTG for the R’s. Couldn’t be more ideologically different 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Not sure what the problem is here. This is what actual congressional negotiations look like. Has it been so long since we’ve seen them that nobody recognizes them anymore? Just two weeks ago you’all had your hair on fire because these same people were voting in lockstep for a multi-TRILLION dollar spending bill that none of them had read. Now we’re upset because they’re taking their time on an issue that’ll set the course for a two year agenda? Come on people! 

Well we’re not that far removed from a whole bunch of people worried about authoritarian rule later on applauding an armed raid on a former president, and congress force feeding the release of private tax information under the banner of freedom. 
 

Crazy times.  
 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

its like someone is bored so they dusted off all the old sock puppets and are trying to create a narrative.

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

10 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

FIFY

Well we’re not that far removed from a whole bunch of people worried about authoritarian rule later on applauding an armed raid on a former president agreeing with a legal search for reasonably suspected criminal activity , and congress force feeding the release of private tax information under the banner of freedom. 
 

Crazy times.  
 

 

 

[ALF]

If McCarthy is not elected Speaker today , a person outside Congress could be nominated . I wonder if DeSantis would want the job.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

24 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Well we’re not that far removed from a whole bunch of people worried about authoritarian rule later on applauding an armed raid on a former president, and congress force feeding the release of private tax information under the banner of freedom. 
 

Crazy times.  
 

 

 

Just like we're not that far removed from a whole bunch of people who supposedly hate Commies worried about the second amendment and the right to own as many guns as they wish and sell them freely later on getting all pissy over an arms dealer being traded for an American being detained in Putin's Communist Russia.

[cle23]

47 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Which dem senator did Trump appear in public with to celebrate that one?

 

 

Who cares about public?  Is that really the requirement now?  And again, we have no idea if that would be a Democrat or a Trump thing, because Trump wouldn't give Democrats credit for anything they did do.  The dude was an "expert" on everything, the "best" at everything, and took credit for everything he could, even if he wasn't involved.  I doubt his partisan hack ego could allow them to show up together.

[nosejob]

McCarthy is a uniparty RINO. He has done nothing the last 2 yrs.  Never spoke out against the Jan.6 committee holding political prisoners for 2 yrs. Has never said a word about the raid on Trump and former cabinet members, let alone private citizens who happen to be conservatives.

 

Never speaks out against any of the asinine spending of the Dems or the deliberate invasion of our borders. The list goes on.

He takes dirty money and is nothing more than McConnell Jr.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

Just when you thought the 2020 Presidential election, all of the bogus court cases being thrown out and the 2022 midterm election debacle weren't enough losing, in comes the GOP to provide MORE entertainment at the expense of Kevin McCarthy!

 

[Andy1]

2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Andy, glad to see you’re ok.  We had the brief exchange the other day about Republican’s treating Santos with the Biden model and then poof, you were gone.  
 

Hi Leh-nerd. I’m here and fine. I’m more of a reader than poster. I enjoy your responses. It’s nice that people with unlike minds get to hash out issues here. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

46 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

 

Point of order, FIFY should be changed to FIFM. 
 

Other than that, the debate continues and I understand your perspective.  
 

 

[BillsFanNC]

22 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

Who cares about public?  Is that really the requirement now?  And again, we have no idea if that would be a Democrat or a Trump thing, because Trump wouldn't give Democrats credit for anything they did do.  The dude was an "expert" on everything, the "best" at everything, and took credit for everything he could, even if he wasn't involved.  I doubt his partisan hack ego could allow them to show up together.

 

Again no need for hand waving.  Here is the tweet you responded to asking for examples of any dem senator appearing with Trump to tout his economic plan?

 

Like most leftists you're assuming I am defending Trump and then go off reservation.  I'm not.  He's a narcissistic, blowhard.  Just looking for bipartisan examples.

 

Like Biden/McConnell.

 

 

[muppy]

Just now, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Point of order, FIFY should be changed to FIFM. 
 

Other than that, the debate continues and I understand your perspective.  
 

 

greetings Leo

 

so there is division within the republican party. Does this surprise you any? I need to catch up read the thread to be more informed