Warcodered Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Trading Singletarry for CMC doesn't make a lot of sense, why would Carolina trade for RB who'd be FA in a year, and why would we trade the RB that works in our offense the best currently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Billz4ever said: LMAO, so you're giving up Elam, Shakir (5th round, but you get the point), and Moss for an injury prone back that will still be running behind the statistically worst run blocking line in the league? Yes everyday of the week with the team we have We have a legit shot at the Superbowl, you take that shot The bills don't run the ball much and use their short passing game as their run game Is CMC not an elite pass catching back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, NewEra said: Especially considering CMC is always broken. If we trade for him, keeping Motor is mandatory. Until he breaks. Then we’d have Duke and Cook. 🤮 You’re nutso Duke is Motor, IMO. May even have a better burst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: Yes everyday of the week with the team we have We have a legit shot at the Superbowl, you take that shot The bills don't run the ball much and use their short passing game as their run game Is CMC not an elite pass catching back? Still not worth a 1st round pick in any metric. If Carolina does move him, I can guarantee you it ain't for a 1st round pick. I don't think there's any team in the league right now that's so desperate for a RB, they would be willing to part with a 1st rounder. You are severely undervaluing what a first-round pick actually is. Edited October 13, 2022 by Billz4ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Trading Singletarry for CMC doesn't make a lot of sense, why would Carolina trade for RB who'd be FA in a year, and why would we trade the RB that works in our offense the best currently. I believe Dorsey and Co wanted a more dynamic RB in his offense and thought Cook was that guy. Cook’s not ready yet. CMC is that guy 5 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: Is CMC not an elite pass catching back? With the ability to take it to the house 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: I believe Dorsey and Co wanted a more dynamic RB in his offense and thought Cook was that guy. Cook’s not ready yet. CMC is that guy With the ability to take it to the house who has a history of injuries and does not warrant 1st round pick compensation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: Is CMC not an elite pass catching back? Was an elite passing back. We don't know what he is anymore because he's barely on the field. Singletary is pretty darn good as a receiving back when we utilize him that way, look at the Miami game. 14 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: CMC would make this offense the most multi-dimensional, most explosive team since the Greatest Show on Turf. You're basing this assumption off of the one great season McCaffrey has had. We're only multi-dimensional when he's on the field which isn't very much as of late. Don't get me wrong, I wouldnt mind trying him out in our offense if we could trade moss and a 4th rd pick at most but I can't imagine a world where Carolina would go for that. Also McC is gonna want a payday based on his one great season and there's no way the bills are resigning him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: Still not worth a 1st round pick in any metric. If Carolina does move him, I can guarantee you it ain't for a 1st round pick. I don't think there's any team in the league right now that's so desperate for a RB, they would be willing to part with a 1st rounder. You are severely undervaluing what a first-round pick actually is. Losing a first hurts but it's a future and if it means an even better shot at a super bowl I would take it and not think twice The bills have probably the best team in football, if I can add someone with the talent of CMC without giving up any contributors to the current team(moss is very replaceable) and only futures. I'm in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: Losing a first hurts but it's a future and if it means an even better shot at a super bowl I would take it and not think twice The bills have probably the best team in football, if I can add someone with the talent of CMC without giving up any contributors to the current team(moss is very replaceable) and only futures. I'm in Giving up a 1st round pick for an injury prone back isn't happening and I'm sure Beane agrees considering he's all about "value". Not to mention, we can't afford him. We are already a projected $7.5M over the cap next year and that's before even signing any of our own big FA's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, Lost said: Was an elite passing back. We don't know what he is anymore because he's barely on the field. Singletary is pretty darn good as a receiving back when we utilize him that way, look at the Miami game. Which is why I wouldn't trade singletary in any deal for cmc I'm willing to push everything all in for a shot at the super bowl We will see if beane is too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 27 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Duke is Motor, IMO. May even have a better burst sure, in your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: Giving up a 1st round pick for an injury prone back isn't happening and I'm sure Beane agrees considering he's all about "value". Not to mention, we can't afford him. We are already a projected $7.5M over the cap next year and that's before even signing any of our own big FA's. So cap issues are coming, this might be the bills best shot at a championship, just gives me more reason to take a chance now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: So cap issues are coming, this might be the bills best shot at a championship, just gives me more reason to take a chance now Wait, you're willing to put us in cap hell for the CHANCE to win now? CMC would guarantee nothing and there would still be the possibility we don't win the SB and then are still in cap hell all for nothing AND minus a first round pick. Yeah, umm...No. Edited October 13, 2022 by Billz4ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: Wait, you're willing to put us in cap hell for the CHANCE to win now? CMC would guarantee nothing and there would still be the possibility we don't win the SB and then are still in cap hell all for nothing. Yeah, umm...No. According to your post you said the bills are already projected 7.5 million over the cap So aren't cap troubles coming either way? One way increases the super bowl odds this season the other doesn't do a thing Plus the cap isn't real, look at what the saints and Steelers did for years while rothlesberger and brees played Edited October 13, 2022 by Cheektowaga Chad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Just now, Cheektowaga Chad said: According to your post you said the bills are already projected 7.5 million over the cap So aren't cap troubles coming either way? One way increases the super bowl odds this season the other doesn't do a thing LMAO, we're projected to be $7.5M over before even signing any of our own FA's and your solution is to add a dude owed almost $12M in base salary next year? You apparently don't want to re-sign any of our FA's. That or you're just real bad at math. So who are you cutting to get us under the cap and pay CMC? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: LMAO, we're projected to be $7.5M over before even signing any of our own FA's and your solution is to add a dude owed almost $12M in base salary next year? You apparently don't want to re-sign any of our FA's. That or you're just real bad at math. So who are you cutting to get us under the cap and pay CMC? Do you actually know cmc's contract details? 1 mil this year, the rest going forward non guaranteed. Easy restructure or cut and move on with zero harm to anyone else going forward 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 56 minutes ago, NewEra said: Especially considering CMC is always broken. If we trade for him, keeping Motor is mandatory. Until he breaks. Then we’d have Duke and Cook. 🤮 You’re nutso Agree…for once Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabstblueribbon Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 53 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Trading Singletarry for CMC doesn't make a lot of sense, why would Carolina trade for RB who'd be FA in a year, and why would we trade the RB that works in our offense the best currently. I don't know what Carolina would have to gain from taking Motor, but in the hypothetical situation where we get cmc we can't have both him and Singletary next season. Moss can operate as a starting back with Cook sprinkled in if cmc goes down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Pabstblueribbon said: I don't know what Carolina would have to gain from taking Motor, but in the hypothetical situation where we get cmc we can't have both him and Singletary next season. Moss can operate as a starting back with Cook sprinkled in if cmc goes down. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, H2o said: Scary thought, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Just now, Billz4ever said: Scary thought, eh? The thought of Moss being our lead back makes me want to vomit 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabstblueribbon Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Lol yeah, it's definitely not Ideal but with the injury history it's a way we can still "make it by" in the future without spending additional capital to plan for the event that cmc misses games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 minute ago, H2o said: The thought of Moss being our lead back makes me want to vomit The vomit emoji was created for that thought. 1 minute ago, Pabstblueribbon said: Lol yeah, it's definitely not Ideal but with the injury history it's a way we can still "make it by" in the future without spending additional capital to plan for the event that cmc misses games. Not ideal? It leaves us in a worse position than we are now and in salary cap hell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 30 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: Ummm, no. Even with the opt out there's $18M dead cap that's clearly stated there. For the panthers, not if he is traded to us. No dead cap for the team he is traded to 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabstblueribbon Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: The vomit emoji was created for that thought. Not ideal? It leaves us in a worse position than we are now and in salary cap hell. It's the gamble every potential trade partner will weigh. There's no disagreement that I would rather keep motor and unload Moss in this scenario if looking through the lense of 2022 sb or bust. However, next year that would leave us with an injury prone cmc and whomever we could scrounge up (that still admittedly might be better than moss) to go with Cook. I dunno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: Don't think so. The opt out and dead cap counts against next year. If we take on his contract, and the opt out option is triggered, that trigger would be under contract with the Bills, not the Panthers. All guarantees stay with the team that signed the deal, which is what creates dead cap, they don’t transfer to the bills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: Don't think so. The opt out and dead cap counts against next year. If we take on his contract, and the opt out option is triggered, that trigger would be under contract with the Bills, not the Panthers. This is incorrect and not how NFL contracts work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, BrooklynBills said: This is incorrect and not how NFL contracts work. Brandon? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bray Wyatt said: All guarantees stay with the team that signed the deal, which is what creates dead cap, they don’t transfer to the bills Ok, so that's correct. So as some are suggesting, we should sign a guy for half a season and playoffs and give up a first-round pick for it and then not be able to afford him next year. Awesome plan. 3 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: Do you actually know cmc's contract details? 1 mil this year, the rest going forward non guaranteed. Easy restructure or cut and move on with zero harm to anyone else going forward Wait, you're actually suggesting we give up a first round pick to get him and then cut him next year? LMAOOOO, So we give up a first-round pick to get a player for half a season and playoffs? And you do understand that signing him doesn't guarantee us winning anything, correct? You act like the SB is in the bag if we sign him. I love how the answer from anyone when it comes to signing players with high price tags is always to simply "restructure". Care to explain how that actually works with the team's current and projected cap space next year? Edited October 13, 2022 by Billz4ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Pabstblueribbon said: I don't know what Carolina would have to gain from taking Motor, but in the hypothetical situation where we get cmc we can't have both him and Singletary next season. Moss can operate as a starting back with Cook sprinkled in if cmc goes down. And in the only hypothetical situation that matters right now, winning the SB this season, if Mccaffery gets injured, which is likely….Zack moss would be our starter…..that’s why you would have to keep motor. Motor has no value to Carolina. He has loads of value as mccaffery s backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, NewEra said: And in the only hypothetical situation that matters right now, winning the SB this season, if Mccaffery gets injured, which is likely….Zack moss would be our starter…..that’s why you would have to keep motor. Motor has no value to Carolina. He has loads of value as mccaffery s backup. So that means not only are we taking On CMC's, contract, we would need to re-sign motor this offseason, which is not going to be anywhere near as cheap as his rookie contract where he's making less than $1M this year. Up until now, motor's contract has been a GM's best friend. That ends this year. Spotrac has his market value at $5M/year. If CMC is assumed to be the starter, we would be paying motor $5M a year to come of the bench. I think he walks if that's what he wants $$ wise and he's not even starting. Edited October 13, 2022 by Billz4ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: So that means not only are we taking On CMC's, contract, we would need to re-sign motor this offseason, which is not going to be anywhere near as cheap as his rookie contract where he's making less than $1M this year. Up until now, motor's contract has been a GM's best friend. That ends this year. Spotrac has his market value at $5M/year. If CMC is assumed to be the starter, we would be paying motor a couple $5M a year to come of the bench. I think he walks if that's what he wants $$ wise and he's not even starting. I’m not talking about the future. I’m talking about THIS season. Winning the super bowl THIS SEASON. The main reason we make a trade to for mccaffery to to help us win the super bowl this season. You’re not taking this season into account…when it’s the only thing that truly matters once you trade for a Mccaffery. The dude gets hurt a lot. We need a solid insurance policy. Moss is not that. Same can be said for Cook from what we’ve seen so far. of we trade for cmac, we’d be fools to trade motor. He has no value to Carolina 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, NewEra said: I’m not talking about the future. I’m talking about THIS season. Winning the super bowl THIS SEASON. The main reason we make a trade to for mccaffery to to help us win the super bowl this season. You’re not taking this season into account…when it’s the only thing that truly matters once you trade for a Mccaffery. The dude gets hurt a lot. We need a solid insurance policy. Moss is not that. Same can be said for Cook from what we’ve seen so far. of we trade for cmac, we’d be fools to trade motor. He has no value to Carolina Even if we sign him, there's no guarantee we win anything. People are even suggesting we give up a 1st rounder to get him. Not to mention, he's due $12M in base salary next season. Sounds like people are ready to sell the team's future and put us into salary cap hell to sign an oft injured RB. Edited October 13, 2022 by Billz4ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: Even if we sign him, there's no guarantee we win anything. People are even suggesting we give up a 1st rounder to get him. Not to mention, he's due $12M in base salary next season. Sounds like people are ready to sell the team's future and put us into salary cap hell to sign an oft injured RB. Some people are. Some people aren’t. Doesn’t really matter. I don’t think there’s much chance Beane would part with a 1st or 2nd for him. Maybe a 3rd. My only point was, if we trade for him, trading motor in the deal makes zero sense. For either team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Should have kept Blackshear 😁 and they'd be ok if CMC were to get hurt. Go Bills!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, NewEra said: Some people are. Some people aren’t. Doesn’t really matter. I don’t think there’s much chance Beane would part with a 1st or 2nd for him. Maybe a 3rd. My only point was, if we trade for him, trading motor in the deal makes zero sense. For either team. My only point was signing CMC and keeping motor, makes this off season and trying to re-sign our other FA's on this huge list will make it even more of a nightmare than it's already going to be. Edited October 13, 2022 by Billz4ever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Billz4ever said: My only point was signing CMC and keeping motor, makes this off season and trying to re-sign our other FA's on this huge list will make it even more of a nightmare than it's already going to be. Who cares about this off season? Motor is likely gone no matter what. What does trading him accomplish? He can help us win a super bowl THIS year. Or is next years super bowl your focus? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 hour ago, NewEra said: Some people are. Some people aren’t. Doesn’t really matter. I don’t think there’s much chance Beane would part with a 1st or 2nd for him. Maybe a 3rd. My only point was, if we trade for him, trading motor in the deal makes zero sense. For either team. I hear what you are saying, having the insurance policy. But Devin does make a lot of sense for Carolina. They still need someone to run the ball this year and Devin comes off the books after the end of the year. So IF these talks are real in terms of Car wanting Devin and a 2nd, its certainly because they get a solid RB back for this season that won't be on the cap next season. I still have doubts we trade for CMC anyway, but if we did and included Devin then I would be ok with it. But like you, for the same reasons, I would prefer to keep Devin for insurance reasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 39 minutes ago, NewEra said: Who cares about this off season? Motor is likely gone no matter what. What does trading him accomplish? He can help us win a super bowl THIS year. Or is next years super bowl your focus? So mortgage the future for a maybe. See the two names on the top of our free agent list? They are more important pieces to this team than CMC will ever be and if signing CMC means we can't afford to sign both of them, signing CMC would be an epically stupid move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: So mortgage the future for a maybe. See the two names on the top of our free agent list? They are more important pieces to this team than CMC will ever be and if signing CMC means we can't afford to sign both of them, signing CMC would be an epically stupid move. They can cut McCaffrey for free after the season if it's really that serious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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