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15 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:

The story of the Bills the last 3 seasons has been their inability to commit to running the football and here we are again this year with the same issue. He keeps saying he wants balance, but continues not to do it. Is McDermott completely hands off when it comes to the offensive side of the ball? Because that’s what it looks like to me. 
 

 

All true but I’d retitle the story. The real story is the inability to win close games down the stretch. The problem’s been that the story inside the story changes each time so it’s not so apparent. One game it’s the defense giving up the long drive and the next game it’s the offense not making the clutch play to seal the win. You occasionally get an outlier like last year against Tampa where they come back from way behind so you feel good about the effort…but they still lose. In between kickoff and the final whistle, the Bills look like world beaters! Coaching gets a lot of the blame. 

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To me McD lacks good game management skills and that killer mindset. I think it shows up in close games often, it's like he never takes control of the situation, seems passive and let's the coordinators and players do whatever they want. The Vikings have played stellar in the 2nd half in all of their games, we came out in the 2nd half and didn't try to establish any continued rhythm. When it was 4th and 2 at the Minnesota 22 yard line and we kicked the field goal, when Ferguson got the flag, I think we should have gone for the 4th and 2 then. If we get the first down and then score, we're up 34-10. Instead we played conservative and didn't go for any 4th downs until Minnesota had read the room with Edmunds out on the next series and gashed us for 81 yards. 

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Daboll should have never been allowed to leave the building.

 

McDermott should have been fired and Daboll took over.

 

I said the Bills would go into an Atlanta situation where they stuck with Quinn instead of going with Shanahan after the Super bowl, and it looks like it's playing out just like I thought.

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9 hours ago, QCity said:

 

He's right. Winning covers up the warts of this staff and makes it easy to shrug the missteps off, but when the winning stops it's not a pretty picture.

 

Yep. That’s what was happening. We won and therefore all the bad coaching decisions were forgotten about it. Nope. Shouldn’t work that way.

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1 hour ago, BillMafia716ix said:

The story of the Bills the last 3 seasons has been their inability to commit to running the football and here we are again this year with the same issue. He keeps saying he wants balance, but continues not to do it. Is McDermott completely hands off when it comes to the offensive side of the ball? Because that’s what it looks like to me. 
 

 

I think dispute what he says, he doesn’t want to run it. He has never had a good running game. 
 

look at Daboll for example, he’s had multiple stints as OC and HC with running very well. Miami as OC, Chiefs as OC, Pats, Browns, and now Giants 

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6 hours ago, Lionel Hutz said:

Has anyone in the national media been critical of McDermott, yet? 

A little bit ... Stephen A Smith, Colin Cowherd ... if the Bills do not advance to the Super Bowl this year (get to the game ... get past Kansas City ... get out of the AFC), you must fire McDermott ... the guy finds ways to lose ... I can see it in McDermott's eyes and facial expressions in these close games, he's afraid, the team is not prepared for crucial situations in games time and again (you could almost tell before the snap that something was going to go wrong on the goalline fumble ... imo, it's because the team isn't well-coached and prepared for such moments).  McDermott is a defensive-minded coach trying to coach an elite NFL offense, it simply isn't a good fit in the Josh Allen era.

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I just posted this on another thread - but this team has to have among the worst situational awareness in the league.

 

That wasn't the 1st time a DB has tried for the interception on a 4th down. That's an easy one for a coaching staff - you always knock the ball down there.  And rushing 4 guys & the rest of it w/ 13 seconds was obviously another biggie. But you can see it almost every week w/ this team. It's easy to contrast with a team like the Pats in their prime, who were prepared for every single situation.

 

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The team keeps committing the same mistakes over and over. It's coaching. 

 

We still don't know when to kick a FG or go for it because McDummy doesn't have the head for it, since he was too conservative before he now goes for it 100% of the time because he doesn't understand what spots to pick. 

 

It's fitting he's McD because he's a McDonald's quality head coach.  

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3 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

The team keeps committing the same mistakes over and over. It's coaching. 

 

We still don't know when to kick a FG or go for it because McDummy doesn't have the head for it, since he was too conservative before he now goes for it 100% of the time because he doesn't understand what spots to pick. 

 

It's fitting he's McD because he's a McDonald's quality head coach.  

At least we’re getting away from lil dummy 😎

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It would probably take 2-3 seasons of missing the playoff's for McDermott to be replaced.
 

wrong this team is too talented to not make the playoffs for 2-3 years. When you are the Super Bowl favorites or contenders for multiple years and the coach fails in spectacular fashion at some point you realize you need a coaching change. It happens in all sports leagues including the NFL. I don’t think they fire him this year but next year is his last if he doesn’t show vast improvement in situational awareness and game mgmt. which is 100% coaching. This team plays dumb. 

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Most disappointing is I do not see this coaching staff learning and developing. How many ways does he and his staff need to lose games on basic fundamentals? Year after year! We can all understand once in awhile strange things happen but this is beyond ridiculous. Everyone of the examples below the game should have NEVER come down these situations.
 

  • Houston 4th and long…..players are way far back and out of position (coaching)
  • AZ………..knock it down (coaching)
  • KC 13 seconds. Missed communication on kickoff, Chiefs have all three timeouts and you let them run free and this was AFTER you called two timeouts….(coaching)
  • Minny…….4th and forever…..knock it down which should have been stressed with the two minute warning…(coaching)

McDermott and Frazier are content with a bend but dont break D that rarely adjusts to what’s occurring in the game hoping to get home with four.  
 

Yes there have been injuries this year but ALL the more reason to reinforce fundamentals and game situations. You traded for a safety (Marlowe) that knows your D but yet you start a safety who’s never started? Coaching

 

I’m convinced this coaching staff has no clue what to do with the RB’s and how they can be used to make this offense even better. And that includes Beane in evaluating RB talent. 


The game yesterday in the 2nd half was horrible on so many fronts. Not kicking the FG to go up 13. Not utilizing the run game when the clock is your friend. One possessions they went 3 and out and used roughly 40 seconds off the clock in the 4th qtr with the lead.  THATS ALL COACHING!

 


 

 

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I have this nagging suspicion Allen is so good we'll always be just good enough for  not change to me made  I'd just be happy if they changed up once in a while and stopped playing so passive  I'd pass out if Frazier ever commited to forcing the issue on defense by bring the house once in a while  Qbs gotta feel good knowing we are not going to change things up pressure wise

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On 11/14/2022 at 11:14 AM, Success said:

I just posted this on another thread - but this team has to have among the worst situational awareness in the league.

 

That wasn't the 1st time a DB has tried for the interception on a 4th down. That's an easy one for a coaching staff - you always knock the ball down there.  And rushing 4 guys & the rest of it w/ 13 seconds was obviously another biggie. But you can see it almost every week w/ this team. It's easy to contrast with a team like the Pats in their prime, who were prepared for every single situation.

 

 

 

I have been saying these things about McD since our loss to Houston in the playoffs when Watson was still playing, in that season and game you can see how they are limited by McD, now in the past 2018-2019 I qualified my statements by saying that he was a young hc and seems to have truthful self reflection and can maybe learn to be better over time well now 5 years later the same mistakes, same 'feelings' of pressing/tightness in pressure situations, lack of awareness/knowledge of common leverage situations throughout a game, same lack of fundamentals, same over reliance on josh, i mean our entire team gameplan is to have josh go score a bunch of points then let the defensive front t-off and the secondary keep everything in front as the other team has to pass the ball-which is all well and good against bad teams and they also forgot the other half of that strategy which is having a top 5-10 Oline so when josh does put us by 14+ we can control the los and run the ball/clock.  So many little things add up and put this team behind the 8ball every week, coaches are supposed to put players in positions to succeed- see carroll in seattle, daboll in ny, mcdaniel in mia, saleh in ny, bb in ne, oconnell in min, shanahan in sf, pederson in jax, etc. etc., all of these coaches are much much better than mcd.

 

They say history repeats itself and if we dont learn we are doomed to repeat it, well if anyone here was a fan of the Bills in the 90's this is very much like Marv Levy and those rosters; love Levy and McD for their overall leadership/culture stuff but as far as tactical/strategic gameplanning x's and o's these guys are very much lacking luckily for McD he has had good coordinators and josh at QB, Levy had easily the best roster in football for almost a decade but his coordinators were some of the worst in the league, just look at the super bowl coaching staffs bills vs nyg/wash/cowboys and look at the gameplans strategy of each side and how each game played out.  I know this is not a popular take as Marv is a god around here but I would rather win one super bowl than go to multiple, also if you replace Levy and his staff with any of the better head coaches of the time and we have a dynasty like the pats with BB/TB- yes the cowboys with jimmy johnson would have been a problem but with better coaching it would have at least been much more competitive.

 

Do you want to keep evolving and getting better or do you just want to stay where you are now because you are in a better place than you were before?

 

McD was the leader we needed to change the culture around here, and him bringing Beane gave us our first competent GM in a long time, now Beane has also been very lacking as a GM because the draft(s) have to be better but his free agent moves, trades and some later round hits have helped bridge the gap, but he needs to start bringing in dogs not just 'good character consistent players' oliver at 9 is a huge whiff, all dline and oline picks have been busts with the exceptions of dawkins and wyatt teller, none of the dlinemen have proven they are not busts, thank god von came here because just maybe he can teach rousseau what our coaches obviously cannot,  milano and edmunds were nice picks, other than that cant think of too many good beane picks.

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23 hours ago, QCity said:

2-10 in one score games, the sample size is growing. Even the most ardent supporters of this coaching staff have to admit that percentage is way too low for a team with this much talent.

 

Yeah i’m getting a lot less people making fun of me for having these opinions now than a few weeks ago. The supporters are dwindling.

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23 hours ago, QCity said:

2-10 in one score games, the sample size is growing. Even the most ardent supporters of this coaching staff have to admit that percentage is way too low for a team with this much talent.

How about using every year since he has been coach and not cherry picking last year and this year, you all suck as fans and need to grow a pair, McD is a great coach, who you going to replace him? Pathetic fan base, you are embarrassment to Bills fans everywhere.

 

Patriots are NOT ready ready most of the time and make stupid mistakes constantly. Tom Brady is the reason they were dominate, BB sucks now and always. He will never win a SB without Brady, never. TB goes to Tampa and wins easily without a good staff or many players.

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On 11/14/2022 at 12:31 PM, ArtVandalay said:

The team keeps committing the same mistakes over and over. It's coaching. 

 

We still don't know when to kick a FG or go for it because McDummy doesn't have the head for it, since he was too conservative before he now goes for it 100% of the time because he doesn't understand what spots to pick. 

 

It's fitting he's McD because he's a McDonald's quality head coach.  

 Are you kidding, you are giving him to much praise.  MC'D is not even deserving of a McDonalds association, he is more like Jack in the Box!!

 

jack in the box GIF

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This has kind of been my thought on McDermott for a while now

 

-He is an excellent coach Monday- Saturday. The team is always ready. We almost never get blown out. We are double digit favorites constantly. We went from a complete joke to literal Super bowl contender with him. The minute he got here we started winning. I’ll be forever in debt to him for turning this around and after more time goes on, we will only appreciate him more. I’m proud of this team for the first time in forever and McDermott is the main reason. The guy is going nowhere and he earned that.

 

-On game day he is horrible. The in actives are infuriating. He overvalues special teams to a disgraceful degree and we aren’t even good at it. The league has long since phased STs out and we are the last team to realize it. We never use RBs the correct way. It started with high leverage carries for a completely done Frank Gore, evolved to Moss and just has been horrible everywhere in between. We have no clue how to adjust, we are nowhere near aggressive enough on defense. No clue when to challenge and clock management is embarrassing. We also refuse to establish the run and play with transparent unbalance. Losing close games stops being luck after a while. Fraizers defense is way to soft for the talent we have and the offense is completely careless with the ball.
 

I know it falls on McDermott but I don’t think it’s all his fault. I feel like he’s too trusting at times and needs to get more hands on. I want McDermott to completely take over the defense. Call the plays, adjust personnel, get the headset on…all of it. I’m happy that everyone from the outside loves Fraizer. Hopefully they love him enough to get him a HC job somewhere because I can’t stand him. We play defense like complete pussies and every decent QB has all day to stand there and find guys on 3rd down. It’s been like that every single season. We have been a good defense under Fraizer but it’s absolutely because of the players. We have the most talent in the NFL on defense IMO. We should be lights out and putting fear into offenses. We just are on skates seemingly on purpose and that’s Fraizer. That’s what his defenses were in Minnesota and that’s why he was fired. On offense, I know McDermott values the run and balance more then Dabol or Dorsey. Get in the room and make it change. You have another OC in the building. It’s as simple as run the ***** ball or this other guy will. Get your hands on this entire team because these windows are small. Now is the time to swing for it all and if we go down, it needs to be with McDermotts fastball. Tighten up and step on some toes if you have to. The ends will justify the means if we get where we have to go.

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5 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

This has kind of been my thought on McDermott for a while now

 

-He is an excellent coach Monday- Saturday. The team is always ready. We almost never get blown out. We are double digit favorites constantly. We went from a complete joke to literal Super bowl contender with him. The minute he got here we started winning. I’ll be forever in debt to him for turning this around and after more time goes on, we will only appreciate him more. I’m proud of this team for the first time in forever and McDermott is the main reason. The guy is going nowhere and he earned that.

 

-On game day he is horrible. The in actives are infuriating. He overvalues special teams to a disgraceful degree and we aren’t even good at it. The league has long since phased STs out and we are the last team to realize it. We never use RBs the correct way. It started with high leverage carries for a completely done Frank Gore, evolved to Moss and just has been horrible everywhere in between. We have no clue how to adjust, we are nowhere near aggressive enough on defense. No clue when to challenge and clock management is embarrassing. We also refuse to establish the run and play with transparent unbalance. Losing close games stops being luck after a while. Fraizers defense is way to soft for the talent we have and the offense is completely careless with the ball.
 

I know it falls on McDermott but I don’t think it’s all his fault. I feel like he’s too trusting at times and needs to get more hands on. I want McDermott to completely take over the defense. Call the plays, adjust personnel, get the headset on…all of it. I’m happy that everyone from the outside loves Fraizer. Hopefully they love him enough to get him a HC job somewhere because I can’t stand him. We play defense like complete pussies and every decent QB has all day to stand there and find guys on 3rd down. It’s been like that every single season. We have been a good defense under Fraizer but it’s absolutely because of the players. We have the most talent in the NFL on defense IMO. We should be lights out and putting fear into offenses. We just are on skates seemingly on purpose and that’s Fraizer. That’s what his defenses were in Minnesota and that’s why he was fired. On offense, I know McDermott values the run and balance more then Dabol or Dorsey. Get in the room and make it change. You have another OC in the building. It’s as simple as run the ***** ball or this other guy will. Get your hands on this entire team because these windows are small. Now is the time to swing for it all and if we go down, it needs to be with McDermotts fastball. Tighten up and step on some toes if you have to. The ends will justify the means if we get where we have to go.

I definitely agree with the Monday thru Saturday comment. McD is horrible on Sunday. In fact he appears to be less of a coach and more of a cheerleader on Sunday. I cannot recall ever seeing him talking to Josh during a game. (I’m probably wrong but that definitely the impression you get on television.)

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