Einstein Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 23 hours ago, Nephilim17 said: Most people were happy. @Back2Buff @Einstein @Wayne Arnold were not fans of the extension. And they took heat for it. Yeah I got ganged up on in this thread for being right. That being said, I don't mind having Knox on the team. I think he really does add something both from his blocking ability and his leadership. I just never thought that those skills were worth a top 5 TE contract. It's just wild to think he makes only $1M less a year than Travis Kelce, and yet averages only 34 receptions per year. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 14 minutes ago, Einstein said: Yeah I got ganged up on in this thread for being right. That being said, I don't mind having Knox on the team. I think he really does add something both from his blocking ability and his leadership. I just never thought that those skills were worth a top 5 TE contract. It's just wild to think he makes only $1M less a year than Travis Kelce, and yet averages only 34 receptions per year. I wonder if this was a case of beane self congratulating for drafting a project player. I.e., “hey look I drafted a top 5 TE in the third round. he has to be top 5, look at his salary.” 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 This contract was remarkably bad, and given our current cap woes, it's still quite terrible. This is one contract that we just really didn't need to hand out, and it really makes me pause on Brandon Beane more than anything else he's done 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 I’m a huge Knox fan and we could all the see potential in him. At the time of the extension, there was no way to see Kincaid falling into our laps. With that being said, I believed at the time we overpaid as I don’t think any other team would have given him even close to that much money. Granted, if we actually start using him again alongside Kincaid for the weapons they can be, money well spent. Sadly, we don’t seem to have that playcalling capacity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 2/24/2024 at 11:19 AM, RangerDave said: And yet, when the contract was announced, all of TSW was happy. No one said it was bad judgment at the time. My opinion is the same now as it was then - a modest overpay. It was a four year, $52M extension, which is paying him $54.4M over 5 years. Is $13M AAV on the extension too much? I thought $10M AAV would have been more appropriate for his value, but at the same time some TEs were getting paid and Knox had great red zone production. So I can see how it got above that $10M AAV. A bit of an overpay, but nothing egregious IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 23 hours ago, RussellDopeland said: Classic fan mentality in this thread. Since Kincaid has emerged, they advocate for trading Knox..."He makes too much money!!" They act like they're paying Knox out of their own bank accounts. If Beane were to listen to them, trade Knox for a 4th rounder, and use that pick on the BPA; then the Bills end up with, let's say, a backup OT. Then in week 3, when Kindaid pulls a hamstring, Morris or some scrub rookie/street free agent ends up starting at TE. Then the same fans that b!tched about Knox's contract rant about the team not having any depth and what a poor job of roster construction Beane has done. More importantly to the idea that the Bills need 2 legit TEs, when Knox was injured this past season, the offense struggled, including Kincaid. When Knox came back, the offfense improved significantly. The Bills want to run a lot of 2 TE sets so that they can run or pass with the same personnel on the field, making it harder on defenses. They need to have two legitimate pass catching TEs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 I hated this deal the moment I heard about it…Now, it is wrapped around the Bills’ neck like an albatross… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Hated it the day is was announced, contract was totally underserved, hate it even worse now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 47 minutes ago, SoTier said: More importantly to the idea that the Bills need 2 legit TEs, when Knox was injured this past season, the offense struggled, including Kincaid. When Knox came back, the offfense improved significantly. The Bills want to run a lot of 2 TE sets so that they can run or pass with the same personnel on the field, making it harder on defenses. They need to have two legitimate pass catching TEs. This was true under Dorsey. I think his vision for the offense was a Gronk/Hernandez version with two viable threats. I can’t remember the percentages, but when Brady took over they ran much less two TE sets, even when Knox came back from injury. Overall I believe Knox only saw the field around 30% of the time under Brady. Will that change with a full offseason to incorporate his vision? We shall see… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Knox and Von are the teams only bad contracts and even though Knox is overpaid he still can be a productive player. Knox is a really good and flexible blocker and he is a very tough physical runner after the catch which helps set the tone of the offense. I also think Knox is not a bad receiver even despite his drops he’s just not a top 10 TE receiving wise. So while I think Knox is over paid he at least provides a solid level of production. I do hope that they use Knox as a fullback for 10 or so snaps a game and utilize his abilities to flex out and get more versatility out of the offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Didn’t we struggle this year when Knox was out of the lineup? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Didn’t we struggle this year when Knox was out of the lineup? We averaged 26 points per game when Knox was out. We lost against Denver because we had 12 defenders on the field. And we lost against Philly after scoring 34 points. Maybe he would have helped against Cinci 🤷🏻♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) Every time I log in and see the title of this thread on the front page, I vomit, a little more, in my mouth…🤮 Edited February 26 by JaCrispy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: Every time I log in and see the title of this thread on the front, I vomit, a little more, in my mouth…🤮 I saw it the other day after Araiza signed with the Chiefs, I thought it was a new extension, I almost threw my phone lol 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) It was a terrible contract then that looked even worse when they drafted Kincaid in the 1st round right after he signed it; and even worse again when Kincaid showed he was a much better te in his rookie year than Knox ever will be. Knox was never anything special and never will be. P.S. Knox was rated 55th out of 72 qualifying tes last season while being ~5th highest paid.......the $14 million dollar per year man. Ugh Edited February 26 by Turk71 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 14 hours ago, Einstein said: Yeah I got ganged up on in this thread for being right. That being said, I don't mind having Knox on the team. I think he really does add something both from his blocking ability and his leadership. I just never thought that those skills were worth a top 5 TE contract. It's just wild to think he makes only $1M less a year than Travis Kelce, and yet averages only 34 receptions per year. I think those reception numbers would be up if we had not drafted an elite tied end but it is what it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) It's pretty funny reading the first few pages of this thread..... All the comments that have aged so terribly and how those with the audacity to question Knox' talent or Beane's wisdom offering him such a ridiculous contract were vilified. How dare they question Knox or Beane... 😆 Edited February 26 by Turk71 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 3 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I think those reception numbers would be up if we had not drafted an elite tied end but it is what it is And if Knox hadn't missed a third of the year with wrist surgery? Honestly the people using 2023 as proof that they were "right" on Dawson Knox are premature in the extreme. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 3 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I think those reception numbers would be up if we had not drafted an elite tied end but it is what it is That's the most puzzling thing. It seems that with us, sometimes the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing and they're acting independently. Same thing with Hines, we trade for a prolific pass catching RB, talk about how he'll be used, and then don't use him, at all. ... as one example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: And if Knox hadn't missed a third of the year with wrist surgery? Honestly the people using 2023 as proof that they were "right" on Dawson Knox are premature in the extreme. Many have an agenda, and myopically have a 2023 takeaway "Knox can't catch" and they willfully discard the Info that Know was playing with broken wrist. My takeaway, (having broke my wrist before) is that Knox is an even tougher MFer than I thought. Respect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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