plenzmd1 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Alan Pergamnet interviewed Chris Collinsworth for an article today, and it included this blurb. Quote Collinsworth said Allen’s ability to run this year may be curtailed by a tweak to the rules. “The rules have been adjusted to allow more freedom of contact on quarterbacks,” explained Collinsworth. “Because a lot of the quarterbacks were taking advantage of them. They were faking sliding and running, they were faking running out of bounds. Did i miss something? I cant find anything on the interwebs as of yet..all i can find is this ..which are tweaks to the roughing call. Hmm any help anyone? https://nypost.com/2022/08/11/nfl-tweaks-roughing-the-passer-penalty-ahead-2022-season/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 While a fake out is nice it really is an advantage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) Have not seen anything on changing roughing the QB always seems to be against teams the refs don’t want to win. first I saw was what you posted link to Edited September 7, 2022 by mead107 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Besides Josh has improved here greatly IIRC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Alan Pergamnet interviewed Chris Collinsworth for an article today, and it included this blurb. Did i miss something? I cant find anything on the interwebs as of yet..all i can find is this ..which are tweaks to the roughing call. Hmm any help anyone? https://nypost.com/2022/08/11/nfl-tweaks-roughing-the-passer-penalty-ahead-2022-season/ Yea that is all I am aware of. They will be a little more circumspect calling RTP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Alan Pergamnet interviewed Chris Collinsworth for an article today, and it included this blurb. Did i miss something? I cant find anything on the interwebs as of yet..all i can find is this ..which are tweaks to the roughing call. Hmm any help anyone? https://nypost.com/2022/08/11/nfl-tweaks-roughing-the-passer-penalty-ahead-2022-season/ For those who don't feel like reading the article, here you go: Quote With this years re-examining of the rule, the NFL is now going to take into account incidental contact to the quarterback. Incidental contact with the arms to a quarterback’s head and neck area while attempting to block a pass will no longer be called as a penalty and defenders who unintentionally hit a players head and neck or lower legs will no longer be penalized. The rule will also now allow players to make a play on the quarterback’s legs if they are on the ground, an action that was previously prohibited. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) Patrick Mahomes does this fake run out of bounds play,if you hit him in bounds it's a penalty but he spins then runs down the sidelines. Did it twice against the Bills. That rule is especially designed to stop that type of BS play. This is not a great play, it's cheating the rules when a defense player gives up on the tackle because he is after all running out of bounds... I call it the Patrick Mahomes rule I am sure McDermott and Beane complained to the league about this Grey area in the rules. Edited September 7, 2022 by HOUSE 10 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Maybe he was thinking of college? https://www.si.com/college/2022/04/22/ncaa-football-rule-changes-kenny-pickett-fake-slide-targeting-injuries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) Josh has been money in drawing RTP calls. Seems like he is close to averaging one call per game. I'd be fine if his average goes down to one every other game. As long as he isn't actually getting hammered out there. Edited September 7, 2022 by Sammy Watkins' Rib 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 15 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: Maybe he was thinking of college? https://www.si.com/college/2022/04/22/ncaa-football-rule-changes-kenny-pickett-fake-slide-targeting-injuries This is exactly what I was gonna come here and post. He did the fake slide and they changed the rule. Haven't seen it in the pros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Is Allen known for sliding or doing fake outs along the sidelines? Please someone let me know when they ban QBs for absolutely abusing the ankles of defenders or jumping over LBs or QBs truck rushing against defenders like QBs are rolling pins against Pop-n Fresh dough and I will worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 They are going to call roughing the passer less which is just good for the game and the right thing to do. They had gone overboard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 By the rules, QBs who are running downfield are considered runners, not passers. If refs were throwing flags for otherwise legal hits before the runner gave himself up, that's on the refs, not the rules. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trekking Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Josh was never one to abuse this 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 I think I saw something about them not calling personal foul calls on close hits out of bounds, I do think Josh has a tendency to gain as many yards as possible right on the edge of the field and try to duck out at the last second to draw a flag, so I do think this might be something that has a (minor) impact on Josh this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 51 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: They are going to call roughing the passer less which is just good for the game and the right thing to do. They had gone overboard. Great news. Too bad they’re going to dictate the flow of the game with illegal contact penalties. It was called 36 times last year. It’ll probably be called 36 times by October this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, NewEra said: Great news. Too bad they’re going to dictate the flow of the game with illegal contact penalties. It was called 36 times last year. It’ll probably be called 36 times by October this season. Agreed, I am ready for the Rams to go down the field by 5 yard penalties/automatic first downs tomorrow night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 1 hour ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Is Allen known for sliding or doing fake outs along the sidelines? Please someone let me know when they ban QBs for absolutely abusing the ankles of defenders or jumping over LBs or QBs truck rushing against defenders like QBs are rolling pins against Pop-n Fresh dough and I will worry. Allen doesn’t fake sliding. He runs over would be tacklers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 1 hour ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Is Allen known for sliding or doing fake outs along the sidelines? Please someone let me know when they ban QBs for absolutely abusing the ankles of defenders or jumping over LBs or QBs truck rushing against defenders like QBs are rolling pins against Pop-n Fresh dough and I will worry. I think we're all going to have rose colored glasses when it comes to Josh, but I don't think he's known for sliding/fake outs. Although he has gotten better at drawing roughing calls. I've noticed he'll sometimes not brace for hits from defenders and allow himself to be jostled by hits that really aren't that bad. He's drawn a few borderline flags by doing that. Thinking of plays like this one (even though the refs picked the flag up) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 1 hour ago, HOUSE said: Patrick Mahomes does this fake run out of bounds play,if you hit him in bounds it's a penalty but he spins then runs down the sidelines. Did it twice against the Bills. That rule is especially designed to stop that type of BS play. This is not a great play, it's cheating the rules when a defense player gives up on the tackle because he is after all running out of bounds... I call it the Patrick Mahomes rule .. Josh admitted to trying to draw a RTP penalty on the Knox TD/NE , in his interview with Simms. If a QB is out of the pocket and gets lit up on the sideline ….so be it. However, you are going to have a QB get absolutely crushed if they let this go to far the other way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, Saint Doug said: Allen doesn’t fake sliding. He runs over would be tacklers. 3 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: I think we're all going to have rose colored glasses when it comes to Josh, but I don't think he's known for sliding/fake outs. Although he has gotten better at drawing roughing calls. I've noticed he'll sometimes not brace for hits from defenders and allow himself to be jostled by hits that really aren't that bad. He's drawn a few borderline flags by doing that. Thinking of plays like this one (even though the refs picked the flag up) Guys, to be clear, I was being sarcastic. I went through a litany of things he does do that I would be worried about if hey banned them. He doesn't come close on any of the rule changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 30 minutes ago, NewEra said: Great news. Too bad they’re going to dictate the flow of the game with illegal contact penalties. It was called 36 times last year. It’ll probably be called 36 times by October this season. I think we had very few of those called on opposing defenses last year, so hopefully at least they are calling it both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, HOUSE said: Patrick Mahomes does this fake run out of bounds play,if you hit him in bounds it's a penalty but he spins then runs down the sidelines. Did it twice against the Bills. That rule is especially designed to stop that type of BS play. This is not a great play, it's cheating the rules when a defense player gives up on the tackle because he is after all running out of bounds... I call it the Patrick Mahomes rule I am sure McDermott and Beane complained to the league about this Grey area in the rules. Zach Wilson also faked going out of bounds during a big run against the Bucs last year. If QBs do junk like that, they definitely deserved to be hit. Edited September 7, 2022 by Billy Claude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: Alan Pergamnet interviewed Chris Collinsworth for an article today, and it included this blurb. Journalists interviewing journalists, the height of quality news. /s 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 If a QB "fakes OOB" on a Defender, that's on the Defender. You can hit any ball carrier inbounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerDave Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: If a QB "fakes OOB" on a Defender, that's on the Defender. You can hit any ball carrier inbounds. I think it's a combination of the defender being a good sportsman and not hitting the QB when they are close to the sidelines and heading out, and defenders not wanting to draw an unnecessary roughness penalty by an overzealous official. That is when some QB's take advantage and fake going out of bounds. If a QB gets known for that, they risk losing the "good sportsman discount" as well as drawing flags for late hits, making defenders more likely to hit them if they are close. Edited September 7, 2022 by RangerDave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 54 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: I think we had very few of those called on opposing defenses last year, so hopefully at least they are calling it both ways. Consistency is the key….. but we’re talking about NFL officials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 51 minutes ago, Billy Claude said: Zach Wilson also faked going out of bounds during a big run against the Bucs last year. If QBs do junk like that, they definitely deserved to be hit. I have been waiting for someone to knock Mahomes into the first row when he does this. He gets close to the sideline, slows down like he is going out of bounds, then takes off right along the sideline. It would be worth the 15 yard penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 1 hour ago, RangerDave said: I think it's a combination of the defender being a good sportsman and not hitting the QB when they are close to the sidelines and heading out, and defenders not wanting to draw an unnecessary roughness penalty by an overzealous official. That is when some QB's take advantage and fake going out of bounds. If a QB gets known for that, they risk losing the "good sportsman discount" as well as drawing flags for late hits, making defenders more likely to hit them if they are close. If QB isn't OOB before the 1st down marker, he gets hit. That's not a penalty. Slowing down before stepping OOB isn't "giving yourself up" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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