CountDorkula Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Arkady Renko said: Doe’s lawyer is unprofessional. Both lawyers are. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, John from Riverside said: All Scottlaw wants to do is find a way to blame the bills for this Yeah well they don't look great right now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: This is very wrong. Again I’m not referring to the gang rape, that’s terrible. Im talking about a situation where someone said they were 18 and the other person was 20/21 and they had consensual sex, according to his lawyer. That said, we all thought Hernandez was a good dude too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Arkady Renko said: Doe’s lawyer is unprofessional. And the two have serious major prior beef 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, jkirchofer said: Plus if she was intoxicated then she is incapable of giving consent. We all know that alcohol can be consumed (intoxication) without reaching the point of incapacitation. So then it becomes a question of looking for where to draw a line between merely being intoxicated - having been drinking - vs being incapacitated - so drunk you can't give meaningful consent. It's very much a judgement issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkirchofer Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, lookylookyherecomescookie said: this attorney says Araiza didn't force her-doesn't matter says she claimed to be 18-doesn't matter says it was consensual-not possible, a 17 year old minor cannot legally consent to sex this attorney is spouting nonsense defenses I don't know if araiza had sex with this person, but if it can be proven that he did, he's guilty of either felony statutory rape, or misdemeanor statutory rape, depending on the DA's choice of charge His only hope is that the investigators found none of his DNA in her at the time of the alleged incident, or that if they did, he can buy her off, and in so doing, purchase her non-cooperation with the DA. In that case, it's possible the DA drops the case. She was intoxicated. Right there she is incapable of providing consent. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, UKBillFan said: But they could have even gone as far as dropped Araiza and then picked up someone from waivers to replace Haack. When the allegation came out people would realise why. I guess all I’ll say is that I sure as heck hope the Bills did their due diligence and they’re not just acting desperate with that statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Arkady Renko said: Doe’s lawyer is unprofessional. Considering he's posting these all over twitter I'm guessing the plan all along was to try and piss off Ariaza's attorney to get good clips to post down the line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, mannc said: The constitution. States get to make their own laws regarding most criminal offenses. It’s a power the federal govt can’t take away, much as they try. Thanks I didn’t quite know how answer that - moreso along the can of worms it opens ie federalism & states rights Edited August 26, 2022 by appoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, lookylookyherecomescookie said: this attorney says Araiza didn't force her-doesn't matter says she claimed to be 18-doesn't matter says it was consensual-not possible, a 17 year old minor cannot legally consent to sex this attorney is spouting nonsense defenses I don't know if araiza had sex with this person, but if it can be proven that he did, he's guilty of either felony statutory rape, or misdemeanor statutory rape, depending on the DA's choice of charge His only hope is that the investigators found none of his DNA in her at the time of the alleged incident, or that if they did, he can buy her off, and in so doing, purchase her non-cooperation with the DA. In that case, it's possible the DA drops the case. So if a minor is proven to have told people she was of legal age then it turns out she wasn’t…she should just be deemed a victim in the case and all blame goes on the person who believed her? Are they supposed to require ID verification before sex? It disgusts me how people let a liar off the hook and act like a defendant should have known the difference despite the person straight up lying! These are not liquor store clerks legally obligated to ask for ID. Get your head out your ass and be real! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, Beck Water said: We all know that alcohol can be consumed (intoxication) without reaching the point of incapacitation. So then it becomes a question of looking for where to draw a line between merely being intoxicated - having been drinking - vs being incapacitated - so drunk you can't give meaningful consent. It's very much a judgement issue And I would gamble there are different witnesses with different interpretations of whether the alleged victim was intoxicated or incapacitated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, TheyCallMeAndy said: Again I’m not referring to the gang rape, that’s terrible. Im talking about a situation where someone said they were 18 and the other person was 20/21 and they had consensual sex, according to his lawyer. That said, we all thought Hernandez was a good dude too. Again what she said doesn’t matter though. like I mentioned previous it’s no different than any under age person trying to pretend to be 21 or over to buy alcohol if they are served alcohol by the establishment and that establishment is caught they are charged not the person who lied about their age 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, CountDorkula said: Both lawyers are. For sure, I think Doe’s lawyer is going for public backlash/pressure to force a settlement so 19s lawyer is trying also to sway the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) Wtf between these lawyers and the ones involved with Deshaun I’m stunned at the idiocy - are we really posting text messages publicly? Tbh I’m sure as hell not losing sleep over a rookie punter but this whole thing is bizarre - Edited August 26, 2022 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: I don’t claim to know what happened but I feel safe in saying both the woman and Araiza have poor judgement in the field of lawyer hiring. These two seem like a well matched pair of morons. Reading those texts, I feel like the lawyers could be posting in this thread too 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, StHustle said: The federal government should make a blanket age of consent. I find it ridiculous that you could be having legal sex with a 17 year old in one state, go on a quick road trip one state over and now having sex with her is a crime and punishable with years of imprisonment. How does that make sense??? Legality does not constitute morality. Do you think it’s okay for a 70 year old to be involved with a 19 year old? It’s legal, but is it moral? My true feelings are simple. Araiza was 21, she was 17 and he thought she was 18, that does not make Araiza a predator in my eyes, BUT if this man is knowingly implicit in any way whether directly or indirectly in terms of this young girls rape, he should be charged with the fullest extent of the law. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, jkirchofer said: She was intoxicated. Right there she is incapable of providing consent. Wrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Wtf between these lawyers and the ones involved with Deshaun I’m stunned at the idiocy - are we really posting text messages publicly? - Lawyers being lawyers. I should know, my sister is a lawyer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, appoo said: I guess all I’ll say is that I sure as heck hope the Bills did their due diligence and they’re not just acting desperate with that statement You have to think they’re highly confident that Araiza will be found not guilty, or charges won’t be brought, to stand by him the way they are. As stated before, a lot has been made of the culture and process - all of that is on the line. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, UKBillFan said: The alleged victim has done well in presenting her side of the case. It feels like her lawyer is now ruin8ng it for her as the texts do not paint the defence in a good light. Both lawyers in that text chain are immature morons and neither is serving their client well. They are basically saying I am rubber and you are glue and neither one makes any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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